Which do you believe is worse and why if you care to elaborate?

[Uncle Joe]

Last edited Sat Oct 26, 2019, 02:31 PM - Edit history (1)

Edit to add, I believe institutional racism is worse and Bernie's policies would go a long way toward alleviating that aspect.

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	Individual racism, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia
	1 (10%)
	Institutional racism, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia
	9 (90%)
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[Polly Hennessey]

1. Institutional racism can be overcome.

Individual racism seems almost impossible. The tape is there. Don’t think it can be totally erased.

[pnwest]

2. See below

Individual is (a little) easier to fight, ignore, work around, or even change.

Institutionalized is much bigger, more pervasive, and harder to fight, ignore, work around and especially change.

[Sherman A1]

3. why not both?

[PatrickforO]

4. You know, this happened to Bernie last time, too.

He clearly wishes to address institutional racism as part of his economic package, which would materially improve the lives of all Americans. It would, and what he's always seemed to believe is that if you take care of economic injustice, then ending or mitigating most institutional racism will fall into place as part of that.

Unfortunately for him, those who have been personally discriminated against didn't buy that. They want social justice now.

These are people who have had an unarmed family member shot to death by police in questionable circumstances and with no consequence (to the cop). They are people who are old enough to remember klan terror. Or they have had relatives killed in a mass shooting by a right-wing nut job who drove ten hours to kill people of color.

And it isn't just violence. POC have to live with this every day - retail clerks following them around in stores, salespeople offering them an inferior product or the same product at higher interest, differences in service and personal caring levels in hospital - and a thousand and one more examples.

Bernie's heart is in the right place, of course, and to call him racist, or imply he is somehow racist, is simply not true. However, like myself, he does enjoy white privilege, and it may seem smug to many for him to impatiently shrug off those conversations, or even handle them poorly - both of which he has done.

You should note, too, with your survey, that for some on here it will feel like poking a stick into an open wound and twisting. I'm not saying you should take it down, but I will say that there are some very strong feelings on this site, and there are some people who have an almost irrational dislike of Sanders, just as there are those who have an almost irrational dislike of Clinton.

I was a big Bernie supporter in '16 and even got banned from specific forums a couple times. But when he lost and Clinton became the nominee, I supported her. And I voted. What sticks in the craw of many here, who love the party, is that lots of the kids Bernie got 'turned on' to politics and motivated to come out and vote turned around and either pouted at home and did not vote, or worse, voted for Jill Stein or even Johnson the Libertarian.

Now, as the father of two millennials, I certainly understand their cynicism. But I'm thinking that more people now are 'woke,' particularly about climate change. I think they will show up this time. You can't vote Stein and expect to achieve anything by that. Same with the 'purity' socialists. Like Obama said, we cannot allow the perfect to become the enemy of the good.

I wish you the best, and Bernie the best, but this time around I believe both Bernie and Biden supporters will be surprised at the softness of their support. My hope is that they coalesce around whomever emerges. I certainly will.

Don't be surprised, though, if you catch some real blowback from this post. It is a bit divisive and seems designed to 'stir' the proverbial pot.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. The problem with the theory that economic equality will lead to racial equality

is that it doesn't hold up in practice. Wealthy PoC get pulled over by the cops all the time for no reason other than that they're driving an expensive car through an affluent neighborhood and some cop figures they don't belong there because they're black. Having a shit-ton of money doesn't protect black and brown people from discrimination (except in respect of the fact that a well-off victim probably can afford a good lawyer).

[Uncle Joe]

7. Certainly not overnight but in the long run I believe it will have a dampening effect

on our individual societal maladies.

I believe institutional racism, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia are a by-product of top down wealth/income inequality which in turn is largely fueled by greed addiction.

It's all about power and how that's used to divide the people along whatever fault lines can be found in order to maintain their grip on our economic, political and social lives.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287325346

[Buzz cook]

5. The power of the state or large organizations

Used against the individual has a greater effect than individual vs individual.

[Uncle Joe]

8. I agree Buzz cook.

[Blue_true]

9. The second gives shelter, aid and comfort to the first. nt

[Bartollo]

10. There can be no doubt...

"If a white man wants to lynch me, that's his problem. If he's got the power to lynch me, that's my problem. Racism is not a question of attitude; it's a question of power. Racism gets its power from capitalism. The power for racism, the power for sexism, comes from capitalism, not an attitude."

(Stokely Carmichael)

[Demsrule86]

11. I picked institutional because if validates individual racism...makes racists feel...it is OK

to be racist scum.