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Is it fair for a candidate to make promises that they know they can't keep? (Original Post) still_one Nov 2019 OP
and if those promises they cant keep results in them losing...? nt msongs Nov 2019 #1
Fair or not, I think . . . peggysue2 Nov 2019 #2
Well thought out response still_one Nov 2019 #3
Not sure. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #4
Is it fair to conflate "promises" with Ron Green Nov 2019 #5
This, thank you. HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #6
Who is doing that? melman Nov 2019 #7
Politifox has a whole bunch of campaign promises wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #8
lol@WhatAbout President Obama! Cha Nov 2019 #17
LOL @ zero self awareness wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #18
"WHATABOUT President Obama"! Cha Nov 2019 #19
Does saying something louder win you arguments? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #23
Ask yourself. Cha Nov 2019 #24
No. George II Nov 2019 #9
like "Drain the swamp" and "Make America Great Again" and "Winning"? IronLionZion Nov 2019 #10
There really isn't such a thing as a 'Campaign Promise'. YOHABLO Nov 2019 #11
Best answer, IMO! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #12
You mean like working with republicans to get (good) things done? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #13
What's that term again? BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #15
"Very often, the only way a bill stands a chance is if you can find a cosponsor in the other party, betsuni Nov 2019 #16
No. betsuni Nov 2019 #14
There is no 'fair' in politics nini Nov 2019 #20
no KayF Nov 2019 #21
I see primaries as a time to lay out a philosophy along with plans Politicub Nov 2019 #22
What promise does a candidate know they can't keep? brooklynite Nov 2019 #25
They are, at least, helping to move the Overton window. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #26
 

msongs

(67,420 posts)
1. and if those promises they cant keep results in them losing...? nt
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:34 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,832 posts)
2. Fair or not, I think . . .
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:54 PM
Nov 2019

we're going to find out if unrealistic promises effect support and votes within the Democratic Party. We've seen this play out on the other side; it's the nature of populism.

Some people will believe the spin because they want to believe, are even desperate to believe. Some will discount the spin and say the effort is in the right place/direction, therefore the hype is forgivable. Others, however, will reject the spun promises and the candidate's approach.

We shall see.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,220 posts)
3. Well thought out response
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:01 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
4. Not sure.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:19 PM
Nov 2019

Which candidate is making promises?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
5. Is it fair to conflate "promises" with
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:31 PM
Nov 2019

“things we ought to do and must do” ?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
8. Politifox has a whole bunch of campaign promises
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:38 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,323 posts)
17. lol@WhatAbout President Obama!
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 07:40 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
18. LOL @ zero self awareness
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 02:03 PM
Nov 2019

People are allowed to make campaign promises, and to attempt to keep that campaign promise while in office despite the obstacles that come in their way.

You look extremely weak when you say we must necessarily capitulate to Republican or conservative intransigence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,323 posts)
19. "WHATABOUT President Obama"!
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 04:54 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
23. Does saying something louder win you arguments?
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 08:43 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

IronLionZion

(45,458 posts)
10. like "Drain the swamp" and "Make America Great Again" and "Winning"?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:43 PM
Nov 2019

Life isn't fair and we won't know what promises they can't keep until they try. It's pointless saying we can't fight for something because we might not win.

We should try for bold reforms and settle for more moderate compromises. We should never start with compromise.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
11. There really isn't such a thing as a 'Campaign Promise'.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:49 PM
Nov 2019

It's more like 'Here's what I'd like to get done'.Too many variables in governance that have to happen before anything can come to fruition. It helps to have control of the House and Senate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
12. Best answer, IMO! eom
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:34 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
13. You mean like working with republicans to get (good) things done?
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:44 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
15. What's that term again?
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:14 AM
Nov 2019

Oh yeah, BAZINGA!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,543 posts)
16. "Very often, the only way a bill stands a chance is if you can find a cosponsor in the other party,
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:17 AM
Nov 2019

to make it bipartisan." Al Franken.

What is your point? Those are the rules.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nini

(16,672 posts)
20. There is no 'fair' in politics
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:16 PM
Nov 2019

There should be integrity and honesty - those are things that sway me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KayF

(1,345 posts)
21. no
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:35 PM
Nov 2019

unless it's my candidate, then yes

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
22. I see primaries as a time to lay out a philosophy along with plans
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:43 PM
Nov 2019

Most voters know that the planets will need to align for the most ambitious policy proposals to become reality.

The primary is the time when the party decides which direction it wants to go. It’s democracy at its finest. The most engaged groups in the coalition will be the most passionate when the general election rolls around.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,600 posts)
25. What promise does a candidate know they can't keep?
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 09:00 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
26. They are, at least, helping to move the Overton window. nt
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 09:17 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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