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eilen

(4,950 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:53 AM Nov 2019

My low bar...

I am at the point now where I just want to find the "Fix the stuff he broke" candidate. I need some national stability before I can muster up any hope.

My feeling is we need to reassert our national identity by cleaning house and making all the repairs, starting with the foundation. After that, maybe I can dream.

I don't need 50 plans. Just typing that makes me feel exhausted. I don't want to reinvent the wheel and just thinking of all the committees and task-forces involved in that makes me recoil.

I just want someone in charge that knows what they are doing and can systematically reverse all the damage, restore our institutions, rebuild our government workforce with intelligent dedicated honest people, rewind the tax cut reforms and restore our financial and corporate speed bumps, take out more loopholes. Then quietly, after setting up some solid platforms, offer a public option that is affordable that can share the Medicare infrastructure but that does not change medicare for the seniors that use it.

Then take a look at the student debt and who owes what. Offer a path to forgiveness. First maybe jubilee away the interest. Then maybe offer some public service contracts. Incentivise those who did not complete their degrees.

I just don't agree with blanket giveaways and neither do the majority of voters.

Just come in, do your job and be as quiet as possible while doing it. I literally don't want to hear of a tweet, a rally or a speech or a "spray". Hire someone competent to message.

You can "ok boomer" me (even though I'm not a boomer) and I don't care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
1. The environmental rule changes. the ACA,
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:59 AM
Nov 2019

the legal protections, how we treat illegal immigrants, foreign policy, trade.

It will take an entire term just to fix that... as for the judiciary... not sure anyone can fix what they have done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

grumpyduck

(6,240 posts)
2. I agree.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:00 PM
Nov 2019

I'd love to find someone who can say, look, this is broken and we need to fix it. And then who has the guts and integrity to follow through.

Some of these speches and stuff makes me feel like they're treating this like any other election. It's not. It's a battle for survival.

But then again most politicians put all their effort into getting elected and re-elected. And think that's whatt people want to hear.

And I'm a boomer.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SharonAnn

(13,776 posts)
3. Please, just let me wake up in the morning not worrying about what the president is doing/has done!
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:01 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
4. I hear you and want the same thing.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:06 PM
Nov 2019

I would also like some added safeguards to process that we are finding inadequate in light of what tRump has been doing since he took office. (I am not a boomer either)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
5. Same here.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:11 PM
Nov 2019

Can you even imagine the list of items that need to be restored, re-regulated, repaired? The list of former allies we need to apologize and make up with? That's the tragedy of the next administration: much of it will be spent digging out of the damned mess this idiot has created. THe economy will also be in bad shape and because of the wasted Fed cuts, there won't be many tools in the drawer to deal with it.

What you're saying is vital. Most days it's the only thing I think about. And I'd be happy to support whoever can do that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
6. You make so much sense! I completely agree and, too, am not a boomer...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:11 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
7. Am I missing something?
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:48 PM
Nov 2019

Apparently there's some cultural changes that I've missed concerning being a Boomer. Could someone fill me in on why it's necessary to disavow being a boomer? As if that something anyone of us could avoid if we were born in a certain year.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
8. Cultural changes aren't what's fueling intergenerational shade-throwing.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 02:45 PM
Nov 2019

It's electoral history.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Boomer

(4,168 posts)
9. That was pretty vauge and not very helpful
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 03:13 PM
Nov 2019

Could someone just fill me in on the subtext for these comments? I'd like to understand but am rather clueless about what "And I'm not a boomer" even means in this context.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
10. The perception of younger voters...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:15 PM
Nov 2019

...is Boomers make short-sighted decisions that benefit them in the immediate but cost the young in the long run. The OP is saying that voting for literally whoever wins the Democratic nomination won't be one of those short-sighted half-assed decisions because the alternative is so terrible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
12. Thank you!
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:30 PM
Nov 2019

That helps me make sense of the earlier posts. Much appreciated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

eilen

(4,950 posts)
15. Oy, there is a big meme/twitter/fb "ok boomer"
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:53 AM
Nov 2019

thing going on. I think it is a millennial thing. Anyhow, there is this perception that Boomers sold them out for their short gains and get no empathy from them for giant student debt/housing costs/healthcare costs/climate change-environmental destruction. Instead they feel patronized and told to grow up and pay their dues (according to them). And that now it is not even just a generational thing, it is a mindset. This has evolved to labeling those who are "boomers" being centrist/liberal and those younger gens (millennial and Z) being progressive.

Being an Xr, we are either disparaged for being slackers, apathetic to being good Germans allowing all this to happen/complicit or being a boomer. So "okay boomer" is what is said whenever anyone older makes any kind of argument for why they can't have all the nice things or total revolution Right! Now!

If you dig a little deeper you get called a neo-liberal, racist, etc. and they ask you if you need to talk to their manager. Really, it is all our fault. (As if there were anything new under the sun, I think it is a new version of blame your parents for your lot in life).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
16. Thanks for catching me up
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:33 AM
Nov 2019

So I was right the first time, in that there has been a cultural shift -- in the form of that meme -- that I had missed. I don't Twitter all that much, and I've been avoiding FB, which removes me from popular trends.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

eilen

(4,950 posts)
17. You're welcome! I quit Twitter a while ago and don't miss it but
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:48 PM
Nov 2019

the "okay boomer" thing has seeped into FB. Mostly because some Boomer posted that they felt the "okay boomer' was equivalent to the N-word. So it is definitely getting under people's skin. I thought it was funny at first but like everything else, became tiresome bc it is us mean olds that are depriving the young of debt free living and low rents. The politics of resentment. Or.. a natural reaction to all those millennial jokes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wildflower

(3,196 posts)
11. I think I'm more at the point of
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:23 PM
Nov 2019

"make it to the White House" candidate

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,265 posts)
13. Yes, That's why I want
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:39 PM
Nov 2019

want Biden.. just fix it.. make the last four years go away.. and right our ship!

That will be enormous progress!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
14. Almost everyone our candidates can do that.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:44 PM
Nov 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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