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highplainsdem

(49,030 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 05:43 PM Nov 2019

Anti-Biden mag The Nation, 3 days ago: Sanders and Warren Have to Tame Nancy Pelosi

To show you how crazy this magazine -- which came out with an anti-endorsement of Biden today -- has become:


https://www.thenation.com/article/warren-sanders-pelosi/



But even if Sanders or Warren wins the nomination and eventually the presidency, they’ll have to confront a problem nearly as large as Republican opposition: the open hostility of establishment Democrats. Nancy Pelosi, America’s most powerful elected Democrat, made clear in an interview with Bloomberg on Friday that she has little use for the party’s swing to the left, saying, “What works in San Francisco does not necessarily work in Michigan.”

-snip-

Any left-wing President will have to deal with the Pelosi problem: the existence of powerful Democrats who are too wedded to big money to accept an ambitious program. In an interview with CNBC, Sanders was asked if conservative Democrats like West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin were going support his program. Sanders replied, “Damn right they will. You know why? We’re going to go to West Virginia.” Sanders promised to hold rallies in West Virginia to pressure Manchin.

In effect, Sanders was arguing for the same model that Trump has used to browbeat recalcitrant Republicans into supporting him: using the bully pulpit of the presidency to strong-arm his own party. Trump has repeatedly insulted Republican lawmakers and threatened to support their primary opponents if they cross him. Through tweets and rallies in Republican states, Trump has made himself the dominant voice of the party, the leader other Republicans don’t dare cross.

-snip-

Sanders’s gamble is that what Trump has done ham-fistedly for corrupt reasons can be done well for a progressive agenda. It’s an open question whether Warren or Sanders will be able to cow the Democratic establishment. But that’s clearly what they have to do. If a progressive bests Trump in 2020, one of the first things they’ll have to do is tell Pelosi she needs to get on board with the program or risk a president’s supporting her ouster.

Defeating the Republicans will be the easy part. The real challenge will be overriding Pelosi’s veto.



So according to The Nation, not just Biden, but Pelosi, is The Enemy.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
1. They know their audience, I suppose.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 05:46 PM
Nov 2019

Ugh! Sounds like a Russophile rag.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,791 posts)
2. A big F you to that piece of crap! Madam speaker is a dem champion unlike that rag
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 05:50 PM
Nov 2019

When someone from that rag runs for congress, then they might have a voice.

Katrina vanden huevel editor until this past summer pals around, at least b4 we went to jail with Julian assange.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ancianita

(36,132 posts)
3. I blast The Nation every chance I get. Glad you are, too.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 05:52 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,791 posts)
4. Callin' them out for what they are!!
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 05:56 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
5. "Not my candidate, but this is truly idiotic. Shame on the @thenation for a cheap stunt"
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:04 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
6. I for one don not have a problem with The Nation mag.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:12 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
7. "The Pelosi problem!?" It is now hostile to introduce political reality into our conversation? No,
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:27 PM
Nov 2019

the party has not swung to the left.

A vocal and sizable minority has appointed itself moral arbiters, not only for our party, but the nation, acting as if its policies were mandated and its judgements infallible as to who is on and off a bus only they are driving.

This attitude is arrogant and condescending. It is divisive.

The Trump machine, suspiciously silent on Sanders and Warren, must be smiling.

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highplainsdem

(49,030 posts)
8. Yep. Biden nailed this sort of "my way or the highway" attitude. But I'm still shocked to see
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:32 PM
Nov 2019

them attack both Pelosi and Biden in just a few days.

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Docreed2003

(16,871 posts)
10. I'm sure they are smiling
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:17 PM
Nov 2019

This type of shit is 2015/6 2.0....


We can disagree about details without slandering and diminishing those individuals with whom we may disagree. The ideology that says "My ideas are the only way to solve a problem and anyone who doesn't agree with me is my enemy" is a sad and sick one indeed.

This type of ideological purity results in nothing but infighting with zero real progress. What it does result in though is Democratic icons like John Lewis being booed on a national stage, which is appalling and unforgivable. Must be a big freaking bus some of these people are driving.

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beastie boy

(9,418 posts)
9. Oh jeez, nowI can't make up my mind.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:37 PM
Nov 2019

Which is more condescending, calling Pelosi an obstacle to be removed, or calling on Warren and Sanders to remove her...

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Gothmog

(145,501 posts)
11. The concept that Biden would withdraw due to a silly editorial amuses me
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:46 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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