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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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We need a president who can unite all of our country (Original Post) UncleNoel Nov 2019 OP
Joe ain't the one for uniting, at least not for young voters Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #1
Check out what independents want also. pazzyanne Nov 2019 #2
Eveerybody wants substantive changes. The question is what is achieavable, not what is conceivable. beastie boy Nov 2019 #3
Focusing on what is "achievable" is just another form of surrender Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #10
No, focusing on what is not achievable is surrender. beastie boy Nov 2019 #12
So 'FUCK' the fire in the kitchen, do NOT attempt to put it out first and just Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #26
Focusing on a demographic group at the expense of others... TwilightZone Nov 2019 #5
Joe has the most support from the most diverse voter groups in our party, across income levels, emmaverybo Nov 2019 #13
Don't be fooled, Fiendish. Biden's opposition is overwhelmingly OUTSIDE Hortensis Nov 2019 #15
Are you suggesting the young voters who elected The Squad won't vote for a Dem president? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #17
No, it means you shouldn't believe what propagandists Hortensis Nov 2019 #21
Wasn't the squad elected in strong blue areas? OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #24
Tliab is from a Rust Belt swing state, and all are from working class districts Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #29
All very blue districts. OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #30
how can anyone expect more at this point? treestar Nov 2019 #20
yes, he is.. and if we don't beat trump there Cha Nov 2019 #25
I could not disagree more. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #4
The looting has to stop. Reassuring Wall Street crooks that will not happen is not brewens Nov 2019 #6
the country... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #7
The key plan, M4All, is not appealing to the independent middle when they discover millions emmaverybo Nov 2019 #14
I'm not sure that is even possible at this point. CanonRay Nov 2019 #8
Given how far to the right the GOP has moved, crazytown Nov 2019 #9
Unite? With who? Afromania Nov 2019 #11
Biden launched his campaign with a strong attack on neo-Nazis and white Supremacists, on their emmaverybo Nov 2019 #16
I wasn't attacking Biden here. All I'm saying is that there is no unity with the gop cult. Afromania Nov 2019 #18
Who is calling for unity with haters? Certainly not Biden. Not any candidate, emmaverybo Nov 2019 #19
Talk about pipe dreams BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #22
We need to take the Senate and the White House away from the psychotics. Iggo Nov 2019 #23
Of course.. and Joe Biden will help with that whether he is Cha Nov 2019 #27
I agree, but to me that candidate is Andrew Yang nt redqueen Nov 2019 #28
I think we can leave the fascists and Russophiles on the side. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #31
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,656 posts)
1. Joe ain't the one for uniting, at least not for young voters
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 10:52 AM
Nov 2019

Millennials want substantive change, not "a return to normalcy" Status Quo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
2. Check out what independents want also.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:00 AM
Nov 2019

We need more than Democrats to win in 2020, IMHO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(9,421 posts)
3. Eveerybody wants substantive changes. The question is what is achieavable, not what is conceivable.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:05 AM
Nov 2019

Insisting on an unachievable agenda in the face of losing the majority of Americans to Trump is the opposite of uniting.

It's better for the millenials to facilitate, not to oppose what is achievable. This is what Biden calls "uniting".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,656 posts)
10. Focusing on what is "achievable" is just another form of surrender
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:43 AM
Nov 2019

Fighting for what is conceivable gives us a fighting chance to achieve more than thought possible.

"Achievable" is such a subjective term, defined only by the intensity of the individual's fear-based defeatism.

Democrats should not vote with their amygdala's - leave that to the republicans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

beastie boy

(9,421 posts)
12. No, focusing on what is not achievable is surrender.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:16 PM
Nov 2019

This kind of focus gets the likes of Trump into the Oval Office. I am not principled enough to step into the same pile of crap twice. Besides, it will not advance your principles one single bit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
26. So 'FUCK' the fire in the kitchen, do NOT attempt to put it out first and just
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:50 PM
Nov 2019

take a chance that 51% of the country wants what will be called RADICAL change now?

sigh

I was for M4All before most here could say it let alone know what it is, but NOW is not the time.

I dont call it M4All I call it universal healthcare, but that isnt important now, what IS important is the murderous dictator supporting our president who has supported the MURDER of journalists and Ukrainians

How bout we REMOVE that shit first?

Dont answer, I know what you will say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,479 posts)
5. Focusing on a demographic group at the expense of others...
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:15 AM
Nov 2019

particularly a group that votes at roughly half the rate of groups like 65+ voters, is a surefire way to lose in 2020.

It's not all about millennials, and not all millennials are alike. Generic assertions about "status quo" and "substantive change" don't really accomplish anything. Besides, no one in the race on the Democratic side is opposing "substantive change", in a general sense. The difference between the status quo and the stances on the issues by any of our candidates is night and day.

We need to appeal across the spectrum if we're going to win in 2020. Similar strategy to the 2018 midterms, where we made gains in numerous areas but most notably with independents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
13. Joe has the most support from the most diverse voter groups in our party, across income levels,
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:59 PM
Nov 2019

education, age, ethnicity, and race. Only Sanders has substantial younger voter support, but of all groups, younger voters are the least reliable.

Still, Joe’s sound and doable plans will prove attractive as progressive candidates meet reality testing from press, public, and other candidates.

Just as Bernie and Warren reach out for more AA support, so will Joe’s campaign work on the youth vote, where his experience in gun control legislation will matter. But it is AA voters who are the most reliable and crucial to our base.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Don't be fooled, Fiendish. Biden's opposition is overwhelmingly OUTSIDE
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:16 PM
Nov 2019

the party, from people who have no intention of voting for any Democrat and are trying to mindfuck others into not also.

Polling of our vastly diverse reliable Democratic voters shows Biden's either first or second choice for the vast majority. And that majority is a reflection of America that ranges across all colors, religions, ethnicities, ages, and educational and income levels. This is wonderful, Fiendish! We're literally the party of "the people."

As for our young Dems, those who vote tend to be smarter and more serious than those who don't. Is that any surprise? Shouldn't be. And smart Democrats know we have to stop what's happening on the right before it destroys us and also that only taking meaningful action that counts will achieve what we want.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,656 posts)
17. Are you suggesting the young voters who elected The Squad won't vote for a Dem president?
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:42 PM
Nov 2019

Because, by and large,they don't want Biden. That doesn't mean they are outside the party, it means that Biden's role as a party insider doesn't inspire them. If we nominate a candidate who will inspire massive turnout, especially among young voters, then WE WILL WIN.

Of course, there are other outside forces bashing Biden in an effort to weaken his candidacy, not because they don't want him to be the nominee, but because they expect him to be the nominee - that's why Trump immersed himself in this Ukraine quagmire.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. No, it means you shouldn't believe what propagandists
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 06:40 PM
Nov 2019

are pushing. To the extent it's true, the notion that large numbers of young people are "uninspired" by most of our candidates is far less relevant than you're being deluded into believing.

Our nominees are always consensus choices of millions of people of all ages. How could it ever be otherwise?

There are only two types of young Democrats/Dem leaners: those who will be voting on November 3, 2020 and those who won't.

Those who will vote are either already self driven or newly responding to the call of duty. They'll vote for whoever our candidate is, and most will get great satisfaction from taking a stand in this great battle.

As for those who won't vote, yes they do include some who've been successfully deceived into believing they're owed an exciting candidate who woos and inspires them. But all of them won't bother to vote because the problem is within them. They haven't learned to care enough or to be responsible enough to do their duty, and frankly some of them never will. There are sadly all too many of their sort in all age groups.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OldRed2450

(710 posts)
24. Wasn't the squad elected in strong blue areas?
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:45 PM
Nov 2019

We need someone who can win the whole USA, not just blue areas. I'm not at all inspired by some of the squad. I don't even like them lumped together since in my opinion, they're all very different.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,656 posts)
29. Tliab is from a Rust Belt swing state, and all are from working class districts Nt
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:50 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. how can anyone expect more at this point?
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 03:28 PM
Nov 2019

We need a return to normalcy first.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,647 posts)
25. yes, he is.. and if we don't beat trump there
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:47 PM
Nov 2019

will be no change.. only exponentially worse.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
4. I could not disagree more.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:07 AM
Nov 2019

We need a president who will work to uphold the constitution and attempt to enrich the lives of average Americans. You cannot force repugs to like liberals. They love to hate. NOTHING can be done to change that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brewens

(13,620 posts)
6. The looting has to stop. Reassuring Wall Street crooks that will not happen is not
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:19 AM
Nov 2019

the way to go.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

myohmy2

(3,176 posts)
7. the country...
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:23 AM
Nov 2019

...is too polarized to 'unite' anytime soon...

...we need to concentrate on maintaining a very strong Progressive base within the Party and then cultivate the independent middle with appealing Progressive problem-solving policies...

...in other words, do what trump did with the republicans and capture the independents...and make it all taste better...

...explain how we would ever be able to unite over a wide range of issues with today's republican party?

...impossible...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
14. The key plan, M4All, is not appealing to the independent middle when they discover millions
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:08 PM
Nov 2019

must give up employer and retirement provided private insurance plans. Ignoring their concerns, shaming them by calling them selfish and GOP-lites, trying to finesse the tax issue—so far, these tactics are not working.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CanonRay

(14,113 posts)
8. I'm not sure that is even possible at this point.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:32 AM
Nov 2019

If we work very hard, it will still take decades, and I'm not sure the other side is even interested.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
9. Given how far to the right the GOP has moved,
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:40 AM
Nov 2019

uniting for the 'common good' spells a rudderless government that will barely move the needle on Climate Change, Inequality, and Health Care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Afromania

(2,771 posts)
11. Unite? With who?
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:02 PM
Nov 2019

People that would back a rabid dog to attack all brown people?

Or do you mean the ones that don't believe in climate change?

Or do you mean the ones who want to impose their version of morality on women?

Or do you mean the ones that talk to God and God wants to install a christiofascist nation state?

These people don't believe in any sort of reality and they are ready to shred every institution in this country to further their disillusion.

We don't need a unifier we need a realist. We need the next pres to get shit done and ignore the crazies. Time is running out and wasting it pandering to crazies is going to ensure it does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
16. Biden launched his campaign with a strong attack on neo-Nazis and white Supremacists, on their
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:22 PM
Nov 2019

chief cheerleader.

He has continued to sound a theme that is in complete opposition to those who attempt to “shred every institution” that protects our democratic ideals. No one in this party who talks unity is talking about alliances with the dark side:

Days before the mid-terms,” Biden said of Trump, “he fomented fears of a caravan heading to the United States, creating hysteria. saying ‘look at what is marching up, that is an invasion…An invasion’.” The Democratic front-runner continued through a litany of examples of Trump hurling red meat to his supporters. “At a rally in Florida, when he asked a crowd, ‘How do we stop these people?,’ meaning immigrants, and someone yelled back, ‘Shoot them.’ He smiled,” Biden recounted. And then Biden drew a straight line from Trump’s embrace of white supremacy to the hate-inspired violence we’ve endured.
How far is it from Trump’s saying this “is an invasion” to the shooter in El Paso declaring, quote, “this attack is in response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas”? How far apart are those comments?
How far is it from white supremacists and Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville -- Trump’s “very fine people” -- chanting “You will [not] replace us” – to the shooter at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh saying, “we're committing genocide" -- Jews are committing genocide -- on his people. I don't think it's that far at all.
It’s both clear language and in code, this president has fanned the flames of white supremacy in this nation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/07/joe-biden-reminded-all-us-what-presidential-president-would-sound-like/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Afromania

(2,771 posts)
18. I wasn't attacking Biden here. All I'm saying is that there is no unity with the gop cult.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:59 PM
Nov 2019

There are no excuses, reasons or anything else for this. I like Biden and if hes our nominee I hope he doesn't waste his time trying to make good on trying to unify with people who clearly hate me and would rather burn the country down than see me succeed through education and hard work. I don't want Biden to waste his time trying to placate people who don't want to compromise. The only thing they wan't is 100% not compatible with any of our goals. Not only do they hate me but they hate everybody on our side for not being as horrid as they are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
19. Who is calling for unity with haters? Certainly not Biden. Not any candidate,
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 03:26 PM
Nov 2019

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Snip Biden speech quoted in Capehart’s WaPo op-Ed cited last post:

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What this president doesn’t understand is that unlike every other nation on earth, we're unable to define what constitutes "American" by religion, by ethnicity, or by tribe; you can't do it.
America is an idea. An idea stronger than any army, bigger than any ocean, more powerful than any dictator or tyrant. It gives hope to the most desperate people on earth….
The most powerful idea in the history of the world I think beats in the hearts of the people of this country. And it beats in all of us. No matter your race, your ethnicity. No matter your gender identity, your sexual orientation. No matter your faith. It beats in the heart of rich and poor alike. It unites America -- whether your ancestors were Native to these shores or they were brought here forcibly and enslaved, whether they were immigrants generations back, like my family from Ireland, or those coming today looking to build a better life for your family.
The American creed – that we are all created equal –was written long-ago. But the genius of every generation of Americans has opened it wider and wider and wider, to include those who have been excluded in a previous generation. That’s why it has never gathered dust in the history books.


Biden wasn’t blind to the shortcomings of our nation and the men who formed it. He talked about them. But he demonstrated that the vision of America was perpetuated by Democratic and Republican presidents alike throughout its history.

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Unifying around this idea of America is what all of us are talking about. Not Biden’s original idea, but
THAT America, not MAGHAT land.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iggo

(47,565 posts)
23. We need to take the Senate and the White House away from the psychotics.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:44 PM
Nov 2019

That's what we need.

We can unite some other time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,647 posts)
27. Of course.. and Joe Biden will help with that whether he is
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:52 PM
Nov 2019

the nominee or not.

It will be all hands on deck.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
28. I agree, but to me that candidate is Andrew Yang nt
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:14 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
31. I think we can leave the fascists and Russophiles on the side.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:01 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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