Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forum**UPDATE** @PeteButtigieg: "The failures of the Obama era help explain how we got Trump."
Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:49 AM - Edit history (2)
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-10/pete-buttigieg-rising-alternative-biden-warrenMy message is not about going back to where we were, he said. The failures of the Obama era help explain how we got Trump. I am running on building a future that is going to have a lot of differences. One thing I learned in 2016 is to be very skeptical of any message that relies on the word again.
Update: from Evan Halper
My story about
@PeteButtigieg
ends with him referring to the failures of the Obama era. Thats an inaccurate quote the result of transcribing a noisy recording at a loud rally. His exact words were failures of the old normal
Link to tweet
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342965primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,811 posts)Just lost any respect I had for him whatever
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,072 posts)Make u POTUS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,072 posts)He's come across as a little too arrogant early on, if you've been paying attention to this board since a few months ago that is. Over past few months he got better, but now it's back to his smug ways. failures of the old normal is basically saying the same thing. OLD NORMAL in my mind translates to what was prior to the status quo, which was Obama. Anybody dissing O isn't going to do well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
James48
(4,444 posts)This is totally out of context.
The failures of the Obama Era that he is talking about are the undermining of Obamas efforts BY THE a REPUBLICANS!
Jesus, people! You are all failing to recognize the original context.
And YES, Obama had some failures too, because of the roadblocks put in front of him by the Rs!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,925 posts)the most popular Democrat on the planet who pulled the country out of the great recession?
This will lose him some support from many Dems, not to mention among African Americans with whom he's already hurting.
What's up with him saying that, and with the November debate coming up?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)Although the OP might stand as a warning not to jump to conclusions before the whole story is known. But some prefer to exercise the limbic region of their brains first.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)It was updated at 6:49 am this morning when I saw the tweet from the reporter.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You still have the incorrect quote up there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demmiblue
(36,903 posts)One of said people just posted.
(The OP has been here long enough to know this. Sooo...)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)Doesn't Pete know there were no failures of the Obama era? The outrage will be coming shortly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)That maybe they shouldn't be so quick to freak out over something like this. The original incorrect quote didn't even say the failures of Obama as most on here seemed to assume.
Reflection though? doubt it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mariana
(14,861 posts)The rest have let their posts stand, even after the correction. So, the answer to your question is probably No.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)... No. Some are even doubling down now or trying to deflect. Funny thing is Obama is the kind of person who can admit mistakes. Wish more were like him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,585 posts)Good luck, Pete, you're going to need it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the corrected OP.
Earlier this year, Pete did eloquently blame the Republicans, though. https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342736
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,585 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mme. Defarge
(8,055 posts)If he had been my preferred candidate that would be a deal-breaker.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)it's completely false.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....what the reporter originally stated.
That's good. I was shocked and disappointed to see that quote, totally out of character. Glad he never said that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lastlib
(23,339 posts)NOT Obama's!!! Not Biden's.
Repuglikans. Solely and exclusively. Boehner. Ryan. Moscow Mitch McConnell. Ad infinitum. Ad Nauseum.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)As BHO might say: C'mon Man!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)how did we go from two terms of Barack Obama to what we have now? Something happened to enable enough people to go from an intelligent man of peace to a bloomin' idiot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,711 posts)in which partisan polarization continued to grow -- but also eight years of a black president. As a result, Americans' racial identities and racial attitudes became even more potent political forces and helped transform the party coalition. Non-whites increasingly identified as Democrats. Whites -- and particularly whites who did not have a college degree and had less favorable views of racial and ethnic minorities -- increasingly identified as Republicans. The party coalitions became more divided by race and ethnicity after Obama took office and before the 2016 presidential campaign was seriously under way.
"... during the Obama era, whites were leaving the Democratic Party. In Pew Research Center surveys from 2007, whites were just as likely to call themselves Democrats as they were to call themselves Republican. But by 2010, whites were 12 points more likely to be Republicans than Democrats."
From "Identity Crisis"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
napi21
(45,806 posts)other Dem Presidents?
I'm white & in this situation, I'm ashamed of the Democrats! I knew a lot of Pugs were anti Black, but I sure didn't know that many Dems were.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)But also think the turning point for those who left the Democratic Party have now had the chance to look at the difference between an intelligent well mannered President and the lying,loutish, ignorant excuse of a white man now there.
And they wonder why suburban housewives, the well educated, blacks and others see what n embarrassment a white man can be?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Some white people voted twice for Barack Obama, which made them more racist as a result, and then they voted for Trump.
Yeah, sounds logical to me...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I am not crazy about how quickly we go after our own on this site. My guess is the reporter knew what they were doing and knew it would get headlines for his article.
Calm down everyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)The one disappointing thing I have seen on this board is how quick supporters of one person are so quick to attack others.
I have made no choice, think it is unwise until we get closer to election and see how the voters respond.
If I have insulted any candidate I here by apologize and will try to never do it again.
The Reporter needs to be sanctioned. That was too big of a mistake, too Trumpian to be over looked.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
femmedem
(8,208 posts)The reporter mistranscribed the interview and has apologized.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)He was in my top 3 for most of the campaign, but that's about it for me. Does he really think saying something like that helps him in the DEMOCRATIC primary?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:25 AM - Edit history (1)
Why the hell did he think that was a worthwhile message?! It's not even true. Except that Obama is Black..
How about all the positive progress in the Obama Admin?! Is this a direct shot at Obama and Biden?
Don't think that's going to go over well with our AA community.. I know is sure as hell blew it for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,072 posts)Again, people say he's not arrogant but some of those digs against O are no longer subtle.
Pete needs to abide by the "walk the walk" adage. That and a big dose of humility.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)I haven't heard that in awhile.. ".. too big for his britches.. "! I like those colloquialisms.
Link to tweet
President Obama
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,072 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)where I had most of my formulation! 😉
💙🇺🇸💪🗽
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,072 posts)i hear sprinkle
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)a few years way back when I was a kid.. before moving back to Colorado. 'Cause I know I've heard it before.
So now it's a good thing Pete didn't say that!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)it seems.
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femmedem
(8,208 posts)I don't think any of us want people voting based on misinformation.
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Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)Was it deliberate?
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)He must have wanted to curse this guy out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tblue37
(65,502 posts)commits own goals.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)There are several on here who jumped the gun and won't back down.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)How about a ******** positive message?!
Yeah, you do that.. be skeptical.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)We need a Congress to tee up Winning President
Something like that
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)And the OP has updated with the correction.
But Pete did say something earlier this year in line with the message you're suggesting: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342736
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)Let me tell you something. You diss Obama and your done. Adios Amigo. You are now 100% irrelevant. Unbelievable
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please don't let a reporting error change your opinion of Mayor Pete.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)Mayor Pete.. it's about the untrue statement he made about President Obama.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)It looks like we all came to the same conclusion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)an attack on his administration. Am I missing something?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Instead of bashing other candidates,
tell us why we should support yours.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)original information that was quoted in the OP.
This is all on the reporter.. not DU.. at least the reporter confessed to getting it wrong.
I'm really grateful Pete did not say what was quoted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)Try and take a deep breath next time before you go on full blast against someone and wait before the whole story is known.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Mayor Pete is hurting Joe in Iowa
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)As Pete is straight up burnt toast after saying some mess like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
But of course more people will read the misquote than the apology.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,660 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:39 PM - Edit history (1)
It was based on an inaccurate quote. My apologies to Mayor Pete.
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Cha
(297,822 posts)to send to the Democratic Party members who are mainly proud of President Obama and his Accomplishments in the face of unprecedented Obstruction!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not sure why the OP hasnt edited the title.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,711 posts)'I'm with her' was literally the button."
"Donald Trump got elected because in his own twisted way, he pointed out the huge trouble in our economy and our democracy. At least he didn't go around saying that America was already great, like Hillary did."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)go around saying America was already great like Hillary did."
gmafb. No It was NOT "all about our nominee".. If you paid attention.
He got called out on that one, too.. thanks for the reminder, betsuni.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,711 posts)stood for nothing except "I'm not Trump." Ugh. While Obama was president those Trump voters moaned and groaned about how terrible the economy was and from the instant Trump was sworn in, everything was fabulous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)under Obama..
The sentence I hear most from well-meaning, conservative friends since President Trumps election is this: We suffered 8 years under Barack Obama.
Fair enough. Lets take a look.
The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.
General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $8o billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest.
While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11.
Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.
He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs.
He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans.
He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth.
Due to Obamas regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half.
He signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women to sue employers for unequal pay.
His Omnibus Public Lands Management Act designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, creating thousands of miles of trails and protecting over 1,000 miles of rivers.
He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.
For all the inadequacies of the Affordable Care Act, we seem to have forgotten that, before the ACA, you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and kids could not stay on their parents policies up to age 26.
Obama approved a $14.5 billion system to rebuild the levees in New Orleans.
All this, even as our own Mitch McConnell famously asserted that his singular mission would be to block anything President Obama tried to do.
Even more at https://tericarter.wordpress.com/2017/07/10/8-years-of-suffering-under-obama/
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212672023#top
President Obama and his Admin!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)I can't believe he said the economy which Pres. Obama fought the GOP for in order to save it...and was doing very well in 16 . This economy continued to grow despite Trump and has given the orange bastard bragging rights ever since was in 'huge trouble' in 16. And he took a shot at Hillary too...so angry.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,660 posts)I was angry about this last night but decided not to react any further and wait for an explanation. I'm now glad I did that. I'm sorry for misjudging him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)was not our fault.
The reporter owes a lot of apologies to everyone who took it to be accurate.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gulliver
(13,197 posts)We got Trump because of the failures of Dubya.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gulliver
(13,197 posts)I needed to let that percolate a bit more before trusting it.
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NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)Looks like Mayor Pete forgot which party's nomination he's running for.
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It is sad.. and quite unnecessarily so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,711 posts)That Republicans did everything they could to stop Obama from doing anything? What is he talking about?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)pesky detail.
And, heaven forbid he talk about the positive accomplishments of the last Democratic Admin
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onecaliberal
(32,934 posts)Why theyre voting against themselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doc03
(35,394 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)The failure to get a public option, austerity, not aggressively addressing the housing crisis, and not spending all the stimulus funds are a few of them.
But in this climate baldly blaming Obama is a non-starter.
Mayor Pete needs to blame the failure on the policies and the republicans for blocking their efficacy. Never on Obama directly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,822 posts)it's so brilliant of Mayor Pete to say the failures brought trump.. instead of a positive message of all the Accomplishments.
That's going to hurt him with the African American Community and voters who actually appreciated the Obama Admin..
But, have it, Mayor Pete.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,822 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)freight would bear.
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Cha
(297,822 posts)smh.
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)the votes for a public option, Cha.
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Cha
(297,822 posts)didn't have the votes. Unreal.
And, it seemed more like.. President Obama got the train outta the abyss!
You're Welcome, emmaverybo.. Thank you for saying that the fact that Obama didn't have the votes for Public Option had nothing to do with bringing us the Psycho in the WH.
Barack Obama was born Black.. that's not a "failure".
Trump voters were always racist, and Trump set them free.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212331669han
That's just one example..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)But it is out there and even if its false it will be used against him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(109,015 posts)The only way to have ANY bill was to have the House pass the already-Senate-passed bill, the one that had passed with Ted Kennedy's vote before he died. No further vote in the Senate was possible because Kennedy was replaced by a Republican and 60 votes were required to get past a filibuster.
The reason the Senate bill didn't contain a public option was because Joe Lieberman, Independent, refused to be one of the 60 votes if the bill included a public option. So the Senate, including Kennedy, passed its bill, and the hope was for the House to pass a bill with the public option. Then the two houses, in a conference committee, would agree on keeping the public option.
But that possibility died with Senator Kennedy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)refusing to support him in 10 and 14...of course the votes were not there and their efforts limited what President Obama could accomplish the rest of the time he held office and there would have been no investigation of Hillary without losing the house ...so I expect in some ways this also helped bring about Trump...imagine if everyone had supported the president in 10 and 14. And whether Mayor Pete said Pres. Obama's name or not the point he was making is pretty much the same.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)He didn't say the "failures of Obama", he said the "failures of the Obama era". That could mean what people on here have jumped on him for, or it could mean the repub obstruction of the Obama era, or many other things. His reference in the last sentence to "again" was obviously to the MAGAt message.
Reading the article doesn't really give it any more context. I would like to hear him expound on it before crucifying him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Merlot
(9,696 posts)it's not a good thing. While there could be more context, I think most people will read it as an attack on Obama and stop there.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,471 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)What this should do is to get people to stop having knee jerk reactions to quotes like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrank
(11,112 posts)Agreed that failures of the Obama era is not the same as Obama failures.
This chronic divide, divide, divide will do more damage than any comment Pete Buttigieg has made. I cant think of a single person Ive had a political discussion with that thought everything done in the Obama era (or any other era) was perfect.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Umm. considering Obama spent six years fixing Bush shit and two years trying to pass shit with a Republican Congress that was not trying to let him pass any shit, are we being serious right now?
Pete can take a walk off a short pier and (finish the sentence)....
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,968 posts)They said to make him a one term President.
F off Pete. You just blew it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)He was misquoted, but hey why stop a good crucifixation right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demmiblue
(36,903 posts)What a disturbing thing to say about one of our candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)He said "failures of the old normal" and his quote got mistranscribed. The reporter has corrected the quote. Of course, Im sure that those whose main goal is to play "gotcha!" on behalf of their own candidate will keep spreading it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,822 posts)some support from the African American Community.. mainly because you're wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)The failures that saved our economy from disaster and brought healthcare to millions?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)I can't even believe he said it.
Yeah, why not talk about the accomplishments of the successful Democratic Admin instead of blaming him for trump? Just a thought.
Does not compute!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)so why pull a cheap shot like this now?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)of people mad.. quite unnecessarily.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,471 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)That's a relief
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to SidDithers (Original post)
stopbush This message was self-deleted by its author.
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)The mayor would have done a perfect job.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)HELL to the NO!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,822 posts)Link to tweet
Pete said .. "Failures of the Obama era"! Bad Messaging if there's this much of an Uproar!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)it, but really the best one can say is he made a gaffe, saying something that didnt mean what we think he meant.
I love how Liz Smiths response implies malice on the part of people applying
the common meaning to his wordswhat would Bush era horrors mean or JFK era accomplishments? And he did not qualify.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)those who read it and took for what it actually said, of "reading in bad faith".
There's a whole lot of us out here and on twitter too, who took it to mean they were "President Obama's failures that lead us to trump"..
I noticed Julian Castro did, too..
Link to tweet
Castro's tweet has 24k Likes!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)It was a transcription error for which the reporter has apologized.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)If I'd only read "the old normal" that would still sound a little strange to me, but the full quote makes sense. He seems to be talking about problems that have been building for decades--and I think most of us agree that the economy hasn't been working for everyone and we're not on track to prevent climate catastrophe.
I also fundamentally believe that there is no going back. My message is not about going back to where we were. I think because I come from a part of the country where normal has been a real problem for a very long time, and I think the failures of the old normal help explain how we got to Trump, I am much more interested in building a future that is going to have a lot of differences."
I can't even see this as controversial.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)foremost is that the election was stolen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)I just don't think his statement implied anything to do with Obama, which is what the intense blowback has been about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)who has made The Obama era a theme in his campaign. He has been roundly criticized for talking about a return to normal, with that being understood as a return to the Obama years. So
I can see that the outrageously sloppy journalist inadvertently filled in Obama era as her hasty
interpretation, maybe subliminal, of his reference to old normal.
She was just typing a million miles an hour not listening to every word she had recorded.
I believe she should be fired. I dont see how an error of this gravity can be let go.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)era? I am pretty steamed about this and not because I support Biden but because I adore Pres. Obama...he deserves better from Democrats...especially those running for the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)He didn't say it. You going to admit you jumped the gun and maybe should wait for the full facts next time? are you going to apologize?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...because, as happens so often here during primary season, it's all about scoring points, the truth be damned.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Bye Pete...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)normal is worse. This is confusing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to SidDithers (Original post)
catbyte This message was self-deleted by its author.
femmedem
(8,208 posts)But of course more people will read the misquote than will read the apology.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
catbyte
(34,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)I figured you would. You're one of my DU favorites and I knew you wouldn't want to spread misinformation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
catbyte
(34,494 posts)I try to make sure that everything I post is true and if I find that it's not, I correct or delete it. That "quote" was jarring to read because it seemed so out of character for him. I'm glad the reporter corrected himself so quickly, but wow, what a mistake. It's like unringing a bell. I suppose all we can do is correct it wherever we find the misquote and I will. Have a good week!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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still_one
(92,471 posts)you are not equipped to assume the job of President
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)The rise to power of Donald Trump has been extensively analyzed, and I'm sure the mayor is a well-read man
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,471 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,844 posts)tripped over his own tongue. And Joe Biden is the Gaffe Master???
Or perhaps, Buttigieg has forgotten the financial disaster Obama had to clean up. Without any help from Republicans. In fact, Republicans howled at every turn as the Obama Administration worked to keep the country from diving headlong into another Great Depression. And McConnell telegraphed his greatest concern: making sure Barack Obama was a one-term president. Americans were losing their homes and livelihoods but Republicans were hellbent on political scoring.
I think Mayor Pete needs to review the history; it wasn't that long ago.
As for Donald Trump? He belongs entirely, unequivocally to the Republican Party and all its members who have debased themselves and the country for the sake of power and greed.
If you don't like the word again then don't spew Republican talking points. Or we will once AGAIN have frigging Donald Trump squatting in the White House.
Huge mistake, Mayor Pete. Prepare for the blowback!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)against anything Barack would implement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)The reporter has apologized for inaccurately transcribing the interview. Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)What were you thinking, eh?
Barack cleaned up a repuklican mess and we avoided severe economic disaster.
What th' everlovin' Pete?...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)Also feel he needs additional laps around the track for a presidential appointment. But that's my take.
No alluding to past performances, eras, old normals--simply spotlighting and hammering away at repukes, dump et al who specifically caused this greatly incalculable mess of a nightmare.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,822 posts)Link to tweet
If that's correct then a lot of people are guilty.. or maybe it was just not a very good way to say what he actually meant?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AngelicaHora
(54 posts)There absolutely has to be some self-reflection within the Democratic Party in order to prevent a figure like Trump from rising again. I actually thought we were on the way there in this primary. The quote could easily have been said by Warren and Sanders. And they have said similar things in the past. Obama was a great president but everyone in this country bears some responsibility for allowing Trump to happen. Like Buttigieg says in his stump speech, "if our economy and our democracy were working the way they were supposed to, a guy like this would never have come within cheating distance of the White House in the first place."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,015 posts)because of the Electoral College, which was set up to give more weight to the rural, slave-holding states; because of vote suppression of millions of votes; because of Russian interference; and because of the Comey announcements.
NOT because of Obama's mistakes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,925 posts)Even some here on this thread are doing it.
Buttigieg should know better. What a dumb thing to say about the most popular Dem. And it's not even true.
He just fu_ked up big time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)But what I don't get is I listened to the recording...and maybe it is incomplete but I did not hear anything about Hillary or Obama... I did hear the 'old normal' but it is very odd sort of statement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
napi21
(45,806 posts)I hate to say that I believe there are a lot of people who believed DT's promises, like bringing all those good factory jobs home, stopping immigration so all those jobs they take from YOU will open up. DT is good at picking all the sensitive subjects that bothr a lot of people and promise to fix them. Of course those jobs CAN'T come back because technology eliminated a lot of them, and it's not efficient to build the new modern factories when the finished product is available by importing.
I hope those who believed him in 2016 now realize he lied, but unfortunately I'm positive they have.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cosmocat
(14,576 posts)just more of the republicans creating "reality" (an alternative one) and the feckless media breathlessly propagating their bullshit, and FAR too many dems going along for the ride.
The current economy remains an extension of the one this asshole inhereted.
Same economy with dem potus BAD!
Same economy with R potus GREAT!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)his time in the Obama administration, whereas he, Mayor Pete was a forward looking guy, because
FAILURE of Obama era got us Trump. His stab at thin euphemism did not work. So he avoided saying Obamas failures, but didnt work. Obama era failures mean same thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)Link to tweet
That's precisely the way others are seeing it, too..
Points for your description here .. "... his stab at thin euphemism did not work.."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)little doubt. He will reframe it, but if Twitter is any indication, he might have given himself a fatal wound.
Flew too close to the sun. He is in need of a check.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)the Twilight Zone.. another thread telling so many of us we didn't understand what we read.. his spokesperson telling us we were "..reading in bad faith.."
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
PB needs to do a better job of his messaging if he didn't mean exactly what it sounds like.. causing such an uproar.
Link to tweet
I know you've seen these tweets.. just posting again for anyone else who might not have.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)Lis Smith saying we were "reading in bad faith what PB said".
I take it she was talking about the quote the reporter got wrong.. because it was attached to this tweet..
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)I appreciate it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)PB actually said.. ".. the failures of the old normal.." not sure what that's referring to?
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)lifetime. Mayor Pete for all his intelligence and verbal acuity was the mayor of a small blue city in Indiana. I have believed since the beginning of the campaign that he needed more experience before becoming president.
This is going to leave a mark and I kind of liked Mayor Pete, but I love Pres. Obama...very disappointing because whether he said Obama's name or not, he was going after the administration which included Obama and Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demosincebirth
(12,545 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)naming Obama...what was Biden in charge then? I don't think so. Why must he and others use Pres. Obama to go after Joe Biden? Talk about what you will do...don't criticize the best Democratic president since Roosevelt or maybe better than Roosevelt because he saved the economy, gave us health care (no other ever came close) and saved the dreamers as well. He did a great deal of good during his term with rabid Republicans nipping at his heels the entire time.
Roosevelt dealt with the aftermath of a failed economy. it was over before he took office...the failing part. But Obama saved our economy from failing despite the GOP best efforts to destroy it. I kept my house thanks to Obama and my husband kept his job in autos thanks to Obama. As far as I am concerned he is the best. My family kept Roosevelt's picture up in our home...he saved my Grandmother's house...and I placed Obama's picture right next to the Roosevelt picture and there it will stay.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doodley
(9,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)Sorry.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Pete really seemed like a level headed person. But this really will kill his campaign. Obama was hamstrung by the Cons since day 1.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Pete didn't even mention Obama. The reporter has apologized, but more people will read the misquote than the apology.
Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Because of the phrase "very long time."
And he's right: income inequality, environmental degradation, hollowing out of the middle class."
I don't know why you would say he was blaming Obama rather than Congress, or why you would think he was referring only to the Obama years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)at Hillary...another one of my favorite people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(9,975 posts)... not the best way to label them. I think he should switch to "Republicans failure to work with Obama." That helped elevate Trump. The Republicans decided to work against Obama and that roused the Deplorables. Our candidates do explain things without regard to "message" sometimes - but they can correct.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,925 posts)Can't believe this guy who's supposed to be so smart saying something so dumb.
Just before the November debate he's quoted as blaming Obama for trump. Not smart.
Wonder if it'll come up in the debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(9,975 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,925 posts)goes viral too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(9,975 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,471 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,885 posts)Trying to go back to 10 years ago or 60 years ago is not very motivating
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,822 posts)a false premise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,885 posts)They think we can just go back to 2009 or 2016 and put things back the way they were.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,822 posts)We're going forward.. that's just something for his rivals to say.
President Obama and his Admin made a lot progress.. it's something to build on going forward.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)reporter got the first report from what she later said was the 'real' report. I am hoping she recorded the interview. Those candidates who go after the greatest president in my lifetime will not be successful...not saying that is what happened...but even saying we can't return to that time implying somehow Obama's time wasn't good enough and finding fault with him will still make me never not now not ever support such a person in any primary...sure a general but not a primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)'go back'. I still take it as a criticism of the Obama administration as a way to go after Biden. I do not approve of such tactics. Maybe I am wrong. Time will tell as Mayor Pete's campaign is going to have to address this more fully.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,885 posts)Ive seen this before.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OrlandoDem2
(2,070 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheFarseer
(9,326 posts)This reporter should never work in the industry again. He/she may have single handed destroyed Petes candidacy with his/her carelessness.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)I don't think an apology is enough. He should never be allowed anywhere near political coverage.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demmiblue
(36,903 posts)it seems as if it is not just the reporter who is doing a lot of stirring.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)but, why bother. The people that are so critical aren't going to vote for him anyway. I think they are just trying to set the record straight. Good luck with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demmiblue
(36,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,822 posts)just exactly how are "many going to twist it.. "?
Do you think you're helping by insulting members on such speculation?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)The reporter got Pete's quote wrong and members were reacting to the information that was given in the OP.. until he updated. So don't go blaming DU Members for "stirring".
Or can you even see this post?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)smh..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)runaway "news".. in Newsweek for cripe's sake.. now they're going to have to print a retraction and an apology to their readers for the original reporter's getting the quote so wrong.
How did that even happen.. from "..failures of Obama era" to "failures of old normal"?!
Thank you, Dalton
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)I counted 36 comments by you on this thread showing true outrage at what turned out to be a false quote. You, like so many others, jumped the gun. But in those 36 comments not one mention that you reacted hastily in crucifying him. Will you be big enough to admit you were wrong?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,822 posts)Excellent point, sprinkleen!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)And deserve blame for trashing him without knowing all the facts. The decent thing to do would be to admit you jumped the gun and take back the comments. I don't expect you to do that, which tells me all I need to know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)Morning Joe even dealt with it, and corrected the record.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,751 posts)"hold my nose to vote for him if he's the nominee even though I know he will lose" category.
That reporter really f*cked up! Many people may not see the correction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)the world economy for starters. Perhaps Buttigieg was asleep during those first few years???
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)bad reporter.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342883
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvLoogie
(7,060 posts)Fire his ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvLoogie
(7,060 posts)what was reported, he'd have some explaining to do.
I was a Hillary supporter last time around and have been since she came on the scene. So i'm pretty focused on getting fuckhead out of the Whitehouse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)I think atm that Biden is probably the surest shot to boot Trump if Pete fails to win. He really needs to have some strong debates though, although he may even overcome that. I support Buttigieg because I think he would make the best POTUS, and I will vote for him in the California primary, but will fully pivot to the winner and try my hardest to get them elected over the monster Rump.
MFA as an election-loser scares the shit out of me. I have no idea why Warren went all in on it. I love much of her agenda, and I would so prefer MFA instead of the current system (at current rates of increase, under the current in-place model, we will spend at least 52.5 trillion USD on healthcare from 2021 to 2020, per the architect of the ACA), but it just will not pass under the current paradigm (I do not think even the Public Option will pass) and it can be used to bash us over the head (especially the 160m people having their health insurance taken away part)in the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,614 posts)you still had many coming on even today and thinking he had said that
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)administration which includes VP Biden. I hope there is a recording. If so, Mayor Pete needs to make it public.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,614 posts)In fact I expect to see this debunked tosh repeated for months by some.
sigh
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,170 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
He said 'normal'.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)I don't quite see how the reporter misunderstood this. If her motives were to damage Mayor Pete than why retract? This is very mysterious.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,844 posts)I don't get how 'failures of the old normal' became 'failures of the Obama era.' I listened to the available audio clip and the 'failures of the old normal' was clear enough even with the background noise. And my hearing sucks.
If this is indeed the right clip then this goes beyond a reporter's error into a reporter's incompetence or deliberate malfeasance during an election season.
That being said, I'd suggest Mayor Pete clarify the statement itself. What exactly is meant by the 'old normal?'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,733 posts)point out, it was very clear.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I think Buttigieg would be a fine VP candidate, but I want to see more experience from someone running for President. This kind of mistake only strengthens the disfunctional GOP and reinforces their narrative of sloppy reporting.
I don't know this reporter, but I am wondering how this could be an honest mistake. It is such an explosive quote, I would have verified that I had it right before publishing anything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvLoogie
(7,060 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mme. Defarge
(8,055 posts)Thanks for the update.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ariadne0614
(1,738 posts)The number of knee-jerk responses to the OP (pre- and post-correction) was stunning. Its hard not to wonder and worry about the implications for 2020. After all weve been through since 2016, how can there still be so many in the DU community who are this easily spooked into stampeding over the cliff? An onslaught of deliberate gaslighting and disinformation is coming our way from tRumpster trolls and their Russian puppet masters, and they wont be apologizing, or correcting their mistakes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demmiblue
(36,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IndyOp
(15,535 posts)falsehoods even in the title of your post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Xandric77
(54 posts)A falsehood with the word "update" next to it isn't gonna cut it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
IndyOp
(15,535 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)which the poster has declined to correct?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FreeState
(10,585 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Attacking President Obama and HRC is so not a winning strategy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MustLoveBeagles
(11,660 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342818
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=343209
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342965
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Please, do not not use your platform as a Democratic candidate to disparage the party that "brought you to the dance." imo
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MustLoveBeagles
(11,660 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:00 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342818
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=343209
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342965
Editing to correct the final link. Sorry for the error.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demmiblue
(36,903 posts)It is easy to see how fake news spreads so fast all over the internet.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MustLoveBeagles
(11,660 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,208 posts)I love beagles, too. Grew up with a house full of Bassets.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,660 posts)I'm glad the OP added the retraction but the headline should've been changed. This will be my final response on this thread as I think it's best to let it die.
I like Bassetts too. I've fostered a few and they were lovable characters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demmiblue
(36,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MustLoveBeagles
(11,660 posts)Thank you for including the reporters retraction but can you please edit the subject line? People are still clicking on your OP with inaccurate quote and thinking Pete said this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Unrec.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RLG
(314 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
maximusveritas
(2,915 posts)Sounds like someone with a racist agenda against Pete
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beto NEVER said he was Born to Run or to be President. Here is the Vanity Fair quote in context
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,614 posts)Give it up. This really is bashing a Democratic public figure with false info, and it is shameful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RLG
(314 posts)I'm just calling it out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Qutzupalotl
(14,338 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dchill
(38,569 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pertello
(55 posts)"Heres the candidates full remark: 'I also fundamentally believe that there is no going back. My message is not about going back to where we were. I think because I come from a part of the country where normal has been a real problem for a very long time, and I think the failures of the old normal help explain how we got to Trump, I am much more interested in building a future that is going to have a lot of differences.'"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden