Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBERNIE SAYS IMMIGRATION THREATENS THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET. RESEARCH SHOWS OTHERWISE.
The Vermont senator shares the same zero-sum mindset on immigration as his Republican counterparts, including Donald Trump.
JACK HERRERAUPDATED:MAY 8, 2019 ORIGINAL:APR 11, 2019
Though Trump's new messaging is likely more of an emotional appeal than a demographic argument, reporters quickly fact-checked the president's claim: the New York Times ran a data-heavy article explaining how, in many parts of the country, shrinking towns and industries actually need more people. (Trump's claim "runs counter to the consensus among demographers and economists. ... They see ample evidence of a country that is not remotely 'full,'" the Times reported.)
The question of whether the country is indeed full aside, Trump's underlying assumption that the country could become "full" is a claim some of his most vociferous opponents on the left seem to also believe. On the same day Trump tweeted, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders explained in an Iowa town hall why he's against open borders: Too many poor people would come to the United States, Sanders explained, and the country could not afford to pay for policies like universal health care or free college.
"If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world," Sanders said. "And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it."
LOTS more at the link...
https://psmag.com/news/bernie-says-immigration-threatens-the-social-safety-net-research-shows-otherwise
For the record:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pacific-standard-magazine/
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HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Trash thread.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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betsuni
(25,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,505 posts)It addresses both immigration and open borders. Specific to Bernie's quote, it argues that the idea of open borders leading to poor people flooding the country and plundering its resources is an unfounded stereotype. Something Sanders appears to be unaware of.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,518 posts)because they also have the quote?
Im afraid you may be getting your information wrong. Thats not my view, Sanders said.
"What we need is comprehensive immigration reform, he continued. "If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it. So that is not my position.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/08/bernie-sanders-open-borders-1261392
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OldRed2450
(710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
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RainCaster
(10,929 posts)Has any other site picked this up? What about Snopes?
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The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RainCaster
(10,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,518 posts)See above.
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OldRed2450
(710 posts)The Hill.. but the video is Bernie speaking.
"If your point is, open the borders, my god, there's a lot of poverty in this world and you're going to have people from all over."
Link to tweet
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Here's another one
Link to tweet
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Thekaspervote
(32,809 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jewls2
(218 posts)So really, it is the opposite of imposing.
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Me.
(35,454 posts)sounds like what we already have in the WH.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,009 posts)But nobody supports what Trump has done -- denying refugees the chance to make their case for asylum, and drastically slashing the number of legal immigrants.
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Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)as if Democrats want absolutely no restriction on immigration. That is simply not true. Democrats do not want open borders. They want borders like Obama had them, where our nation follows international law, and where our nation carefully considers applications for Visas and asylum. We want normal immigration. Trump wants to keep as many out as possible, which is why he says stuff like "We're full". They use "the Dems want open borders" to scare people. Of course, Bernie is going to push back on that. I think this thread may be misrepresenting Bernie's position.
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Joe941
(2,848 posts)Bernie knows the issues and I have to agree with him.
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Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluedovepdx
(28 posts)This is a bulllshit thread. You should be ashamed. You ignore the subject of open borders. As others have said almost nobody is for open borders. Certainly not our candidates for prez.
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micDROP
(75 posts)America has always relied on immigrants. Don't believe this xenophobic rhetoric. I'm surprised Bern said this but, I have heard that he has espoused these views for many years. I don't support him and I really don't now. All of my friends and co-workers are from South of The Border. Truly great people who have enriched this nation.
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Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)Have the candidates raise their hand if the support open borders. How many hands do you see?
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William Weehours
(59 posts)Anything like the Weekly Standard, hmm?
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betsuni
(25,687 posts)Kill the messenger fail.
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bucolic_frolic
(43,364 posts)If you see the world that way, in its limited form, or in its entirety, THIS is why we need a foreign policy that confronts oppression, supports our allies, and encourages other countries even those we rarely interact with, to support human rights, economic equality, economic and employment growth. Trump has retreated from ALL of that.
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