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FredZim

(31 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:15 PM Nov 2019

This election is baked. Dems can nominate a kangaroo

Nothing is changing America's opinions on Trump and this election is only about Trump.
Trump says he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and his support would not drop (he's right).
But Dems can nominate a kangaroo and the outcome also will not change.
Trump's favorable/unfavorable is about 41% to 54%
The 5% undecideds are LYING, they mostly support Trump but are too embarrassed to admit to pollsters.
GOP voters, as always, will show up to vote.
Fortunately for Dems, voter turnout and GOTV will be easy. We just must to the work!!!!
We can run a fairly liberal platform with no risk. So we can nominate who we want.

54% with high GOTV is a winner for Dems.

Your homework. Talk to coworkers, friends and acquaintances and ask if they are registered to vote. Register them to vote and then follow up with them.

The only REAL variable will be urban/suburban voter turnout. Will it be high, super high or insanely high. That's what will make the difference between a close race and a blowout.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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This election is baked. Dems can nominate a kangaroo (Original Post) FredZim Nov 2019 OP
I need to wash socks. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2019 #1
Ditto. cwydro Nov 2019 #18
Gotta rearrange my sock drawer to find matching pairs Hekate Nov 2019 #34
Absolutely. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2019 #35
Wow I really could not disagree more strongly. redqueen Nov 2019 #2
true swing voters are about 8% of the electorate. left and right leaning indies will decide this. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #9
Good point redqueen Nov 2019 #12
Would this be a write-in kangaroo or has one declared? Dagstead Bumwood Nov 2019 #3
CK 2020 crazytown Nov 2019 #4
Nah, getting ping pong balls dropped on you by Mr. Moose Dagstead Bumwood Nov 2019 #6
This actually suppresses the vote JustAnotherGen Nov 2019 #5
This. cwydro Nov 2019 #19
Especially Trump! YOHABLO Nov 2019 #26
He didn't win. It was treason. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #28
We all agree JustAnotherGen Nov 2019 #32
Very True ritapria Nov 2019 #7
yep, president hillary got 3 mil more votes so she won nt msongs Nov 2019 #8
Forget about the popular vote. She would have destroyed Trump in the electoral college had it not StevieM Nov 2019 #11
AND Russian interference. Pobeka Nov 2019 #17
Comey is a scum bucket Gothmog Nov 2019 #22
And treason. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #29
trump will have over a billion dollars to use to smear a weak candidate Gothmog Nov 2019 #10
This!! This election is probably the most important of this century, and yet to come Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #13
I disagree-we need to nominate a strong candidate Gothmog Nov 2019 #14
Hate to say it but I agree with Deutsch peggysue2 Nov 2019 #24
If it's insanely high it literally does not matter who the candidate is. Rainbow Droid Nov 2019 #15
Don't forget Russian tampering. nancy1942 Nov 2019 #16
Just my opinion ...it matters very much as not everyone can win Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #20
Wow. boomer_wv Nov 2019 #21
The ONLY part I agree with is that there is a portion of the electorate who--when polled--will lie The Valley Below Nov 2019 #23
lulz obamanut2012 Nov 2019 #25
Not true. We still have a vulnerability in the Rust Belt. Trump could win in the EC...sure we take Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #27
A Kangaroo should beat trump, but no guarantee. What happens if trump doesn't run? Hoyt Nov 2019 #30
And in the fall of 2016 customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #31
Trump Leads Top Democrats In Wisconsin Gothmog Nov 2019 #33
I don't agree at all Raine Nov 2019 #36
 

rzemanfl

(29,630 posts)
1. I need to wash socks. n/t
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:19 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(91,650 posts)
34. Gotta rearrange my sock drawer to find matching pairs
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 08:01 PM
Nov 2019

Very important housekeeping task, wouldn't you say?

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rzemanfl

(29,630 posts)
35. Absolutely. n/t
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 08:07 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,113 posts)
2. Wow I really could not disagree more strongly.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:19 PM
Nov 2019

Swing voters will decide. They are not easy to pin down ideologically. Most aren't super interested in politics and that's just how it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
9. true swing voters are about 8% of the electorate. left and right leaning indies will decide this.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:42 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
12. Good point
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:03 PM
Nov 2019

I should have said swing voters ans independents. 👍

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Dagstead Bumwood

(3,795 posts)
3. Would this be a write-in kangaroo or has one declared?
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:22 PM
Nov 2019

Guess I really need to pay more attention to the news.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Dagstead Bumwood

(3,795 posts)
6. Nah, getting ping pong balls dropped on you by Mr. Moose
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:30 PM
Nov 2019

is just plain bad optics. Besides, everyone knows Mr. Green Jeans should be at the top of the ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JustAnotherGen

(32,298 posts)
5. This actually suppresses the vote
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:25 PM
Nov 2019

When I'm knocking on doors in my precinct? It's going to be - Trump is winning so you have to vote. This is doomsday - you have to vote.

And as far as I'm concerned - our Republic has fallen. This election is our ONLY chance to get it back or it's gone for the rest of my life.

Also - when we look at KY and LA - you know how they won?

A black population moved to the polls because we get - our lives fucking depend upon it.

Suburban White Educated Women are swing voters - we need folks whose votes were suppressed in Michigan, PA, Ohio.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. This.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:54 PM
Nov 2019

No one thought he would win in 2016.

But he did.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
26. Especially Trump!
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:01 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
28. He didn't win. It was treason.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:32 AM
Nov 2019

The American people elected Hillary Clinton.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JustAnotherGen

(32,298 posts)
32. We all agree
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 06:07 PM
Nov 2019

But 45 is still the President.

We win in 2020 by believing 45 is inevitable, voting like our lives depend on it, and voting in such huge numbers in KEY STATES that they can't fucking steal it this time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
7. Very True
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:31 PM
Nov 2019

It's all about GOTV ….We didn't show up in 2016 - and still won the popular vote by 3 million ...There are more of us than there are of them … There are tens of millions of people who need to be inspired to get off their couches and vote for a Democrat they believe will fight for change that dramatically improves the quality of their lives ……… We need inspiration as well as the perspiration required to activate our base ………..

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

msongs

(67,759 posts)
8. yep, president hillary got 3 mil more votes so she won nt
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:36 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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StevieM

(10,503 posts)
11. Forget about the popular vote. She would have destroyed Trump in the electoral college had it not
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:54 PM
Nov 2019

been for James Comey and his antics.

Comey dominated that election from start to finish.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
17. AND Russian interference.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:41 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Gothmog

(147,302 posts)
22. Comey is a scum bucket
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:36 AM
Nov 2019

Comey helped elect trump

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Gothmog

(147,302 posts)
10. trump will have over a billion dollars to use to smear a weak candidate
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:54 PM
Nov 2019

trump has already spend well over $10 million attacking Joe Biden. We cannot nominate a weak or far left candidate and hope to win against trump's money, Russia and other efforts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,942 posts)
13. This!! This election is probably the most important of this century, and yet to come
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:06 PM
Nov 2019

It’s troubling that people think this is a cakewalk... it’s not!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(147,302 posts)
14. I disagree-we need to nominate a strong candidate
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:21 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,948 posts)
24. Hate to say it but I agree with Deutsch
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:00 AM
Nov 2019

Trump regardless of how odious he is will have the power of the Office behind him, not to mention gargantuan money reserves to blow his propaganda and lie machine everywhere. His foreign 'friends' are still in place and have already started their own campaign to discredit and smear.

This election will be a slog not a cakewalk. Which is why we need our nominee to have the widest reach and appeal, a nominee with the greatest ability to snatch the necessary votes in the electoral college to carry us to a win. The bigger the win the better because we know the GOP will do everything in their power to curve the edges in a close election.

That's why my money is on Joe Biden. For the win. For our survival.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rainbow Droid

(722 posts)
15. If it's insanely high it literally does not matter who the candidate is.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:22 PM
Nov 2019

And it will be all about Democratic turnout. One way, or the other way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nancy1942

(637 posts)
16. Don't forget Russian tampering.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:28 PM
Nov 2019

I don't see anything being done to prevent it. Do you?

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Thekaspervote

(32,942 posts)
20. Just my opinion ...it matters very much as not everyone can win
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:07 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
21. Wow.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:12 PM
Nov 2019

What a terrible take. If there is only thing we should have learned from flipping R seats the past couple years is that candidates matter.

Moderate candidates went into deep R districts and beat incumbents....progressive candidates competed in close states and lost. The only pace there progressives are able to win is in deeply blue districts.

If Trump is going to lose, he's going to do so to a moderate. That's clear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
23. The ONLY part I agree with is that there is a portion of the electorate who--when polled--will lie
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:49 AM
Nov 2019

about supporting Trump.

That makes me very cautious when I see our side up less than 5% in any poll.

That makes who we chose as our nominee a critically important decision.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
27. Not true. We still have a vulnerability in the Rust Belt. Trump could win in the EC...sure we take
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:26 AM
Nov 2019

the popular vote but that is meaningless. Believe this at your own peril...removing Trump is the only concern any of us should have.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. A Kangaroo should beat trump, but no guarantee. What happens if trump doesn't run?
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:42 AM
Nov 2019

I want our best candidate to beat GOPers, no matter what happens.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
31. And in the fall of 2016
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:48 AM
Nov 2019

Hillary was a lock for the election.

There's an old saying, there are only two ways to run for elective office, unopposed, and scared.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(147,302 posts)
33. Trump Leads Top Democrats In Wisconsin
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 07:22 PM
Nov 2019

Meanwhile in the real world trump can easily win re-election if we nominate a weak candidate https://politicalwire.com/2019/11/20/trump-leads-top-democrats-in-wisconsin/


A new Marquette Law poll in Wisconsin finds President Trump leading Joe Biden in the important swing state, 47% to 44%.

Trump leads Bernie Sanders, 48% to 45%, beats Elizabeth Warren 48% to 43%, and tops Pete Buttigieg 47% to 39%.

Harry Enten: “Across the board the sample is far more friendly to Trump than Marquette’s last poll (so caution needed), but combine this with the NYT/Siena polling… and you get the feeling Trump is far, far from a goner in 2020.”
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Raine

(30,565 posts)
36. I don't agree at all
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 08:13 PM
Nov 2019

it's really dangerous to think that way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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