Harris is doing well tonight.

[highplainsdem]

Brava!

[hlthe2b]

1. Has anyone else taken on Tulsi tonight? Harris gets big kudos from me for that alone...

[Cha]

5. Yes.. I'm so grateful to Kamala for that!

Link to tweet

[tishaLA]

2. Easily her best debate

She's had three *very strong* moments tonight

[chimpymustgo]

13. Good debate for Kamala!

[emmaverybo]

3. She is. Problem is her lacking AA support, but that could change. She is in very good form.

[highplainsdem]

9. She's been in good form before but couldn't take away Biden's AA support. Neither could Booker,

and I don't think tonight will change that.

[emmaverybo]

11. Yes, she has had strong debate performance before. She soared, but then dipped. I think the

dip after the soar threw her off.

[madaboutharry]

4. Yes, I think so too.

She is very strong tonight.

[underthematrix]

6. She seems frustrated to me.

I liked her clapback to Tulsi Gabbard.

[sprinkleeninow]

8. She shining tonite!

[mainstreetonce]

10. I think she is going for

a VP position

[pnwmom]

12. And that was quite an "Oops" moment Joe had.

He's supported by the ONLY black woman ever elected to the Senate.

[StarfishSaver]

16. His claim of "being part of the Obama coalition" as if he was the only one, was off-putting

The Obama coalition was more than Obama and his running mate. It was, as Kamala said, a coalition of millions of diverse people across the country.

In fact, truth be told, Kamala was a leader in that coalition when Biden was still running against Obama.

[R B Garr]

20. If she herself referenced diversity, then it's fine

what he said. I bet a lot of black voters like Obama’s VP just fine.

[StarfishSaver]

21. Who said black voters don't like him?

[pnwmom]

29. +1. nt

[R B Garr]

19. It was clear what he meant. She looked petty snickering,

and so did Cory.

[Demsrule86]

22. This sort of behavior never works for them...petty and unattractive...bye bye VP slot.

[highplainsdem]

24. It could be Booker is hoping more to be Warren's VP. Castro's been mentioned as a

possible VP for Warren, too. And they've both made very ill-advised attacks on Biden.

[Demsrule86]

48. Warren is not going to be the nominee so he is doomed to disappointment...and I would hope

if she was, she would pick someone who could help her in the must win Mid West as Obama did.

[R B Garr]

39. Yes, and it was totally, groanably absurd on her part. We know that Obama served 2008 to 2016.

Harris wasn't Senator until 2016. OBVIOUSLY, since Biden and Harris didn't serve together in government, obviously he wasn't talking about her.

It's like Cory (with his split screen facial expressions towards Biden) and Harris didn't want to miss a moment to heckle the old white guy to pretend he was out of touch -- their own desired narrative. In the process, they both diminished themselves and revealed what they were about in that moment. Very unattractive -- great word for it.

[Demsrule86]

49. Thank you for that. I thought it was the worst moment for both of them and negated much of the good

both had done before during the debate...this is what will be remembered...not good for them.

[StarfishSaver]

25. Actually, it wasn't clear what he meant

I was confused, too. And then, instead of saying "I MEANT to say the first," he misspoke AGAIN and said, "I SAID the first" when he didn't say that.

Standing next to a black female senator and saying "I was endorsed by the ONLY African-American female senator" is worthy of the "Hello?!" response he got. He's lucky they didn't give him a smackdown, as they well could have.

And he really needs to tighten up his game since supporters consistently explain away his gaffes with "Stop listening to what he says - you know what he MEANT to say" really isn't a good look.

[pnwmom]

31. Right. He should have said that's what he meant to say. But I think he just repeated

a little ditty he's been saying to black audiences for years, but didn't notice that it was no longer true.

[R B Garr]

38. Harris has only been a Senator for two years. It was obvious

what he meant. For her to make it about her was absurd.

[StarfishSaver]

42. "Everyone should know what he MEANT to say" is getting pretty old

It would be easier for us all if Biden actually said what he meant and his supporters didn't get their shorts in a bunch blaming everyone else when their candidate fails to do so.

[R B Garr]

44. This was a totally contrived moment by Harris to heckle Biden and make him seem out of touch--

a narrative she obviously wants to push. It was obvious he wasn't talking about her, so why would she make it about herself unless she was trying to push her own narrative.

Harris didn't even become Senator until 2016. Obama/Biden were out of office in 2016. Obviously he wasn't talking about her. LOL, why would he even mention her during that moment. She foolishly injected herself.

[StarfishSaver]

45. Lol

Booker and Harris "contrived" to force Biden to say something stupid.

Ok.

Kudos to Biden for generating such loyalty from his supporters. You guys are dedicated.

[R B Garr]

47. "you guys" are dedicated too. Misquoting Biden and then making goofy facial expressions

so Cory can pretend Biden is out of touch gets old, too. Cory misrepresented what Biden said about pot, and then the split screen showed his dramatic facial expressions pretending Biden was so confused when Biden clarified what he really said. Kudos to those so desperate for gaffes they have to resort to such high drama.

[LanternWaste]

57. Let's all pretend the obvious is far too clever to understand.

And tell those refusing to engage in the pretense of illiteracy that their underwear is faulty.

Because that fiction ain't getting pretty old. At all.

Tired, without merit, absurd, and laughable? Sure.

But certainly not old.

"fails to do so..." indeed.

[R B Garr]

37. Laughable because Harris has only been a Senator for

two years.

[pnwmom]

30. I bet that was a rehearsed spiel. And he's probably been giving it for 20 years

and didn't notice that things had changed.

[R B Garr]

41. Obama served from 2008 to 2016. Harris didn't become a Senator until 2016.

Obviously Biden wasn't talking about Harris. She looks foolish now because she was trying to portray that as a gaffe and that he was out of touch just like her other staged moment heckling Biden. That didn't work out for her either.

[StarfishSaver]

43. Actually, it's Biden who looks foolish - and confused

especially after he insisted he had said "first" when everyone heard him say "only."

Even if Harris had been a Senator for a week, claiming that Moseley-Braun the only African-American female senator is a ridiculous error for him to make, especially since he was standing next to the other black female senator.

Why not just admit that Biden made a mistake and stop trying to blame everyone else for his errors?

[R B Garr]

46. She wasn't a Senator until 2016. Does she think we don't know when Obama/Biden were

in office?? It doesn't matter who was standing next to him, lol. He was talking about previous black support and she didn't even serve until after he left office.

Why not just admit that Harris was searching for an opportunity to diminish Biden. Just like she did before about the busing. That didn't work out for her either. Why not just admit that she has miscalculated and made mistakes in her attacks on Obama's VP.

[StarfishSaver]

50. If you're going to defend him, at least tell the truth about what he actually said.

He wasn't talking about "previous black support."

Biden: If you notice, I have more people supporting me in the black community that have announced for me because they know me. They know who I am. Three former chairs of the black caucus, the only African American woman who’s ever been elected to the United States Senate, a whole range of people.

Booker: That's not true

Harris: Nope. The other one is here.

Biden: I said the FIRST. I said the FIRST African-American woman!

I know you just don't want to admit your guy screwed up and are trying to blame everyone else for what came out of his mouth, but at least be truthful about what he said - especially since we can see and hear exactly what happened and know that your claim is flat out false. It won't help your argument, but it could at least help you maintain some credibility.

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

52. Kamala wasn't a Senator at the time he was talking about. Now you take three words

I typed and try to make it about me, but it's not. There is no getting around that the time frame they were talking about could not have possibly been about Harris. Do you think we don't know when Biden left office with Obama?? It was absurd she made that about herself.

Kamala elected 2016
Obama/Biden served 2008 to 2016

There is no current Obama coalition to speak of since Obama left office. Even Harris was talking about resurrecting the Obama coalition. Harris was not ever part of that in an elected capacity. She wasn't elected until 2016. She took office when Biden left. He was obviously not talking about her.

[StarfishSaver]

54. Don't get it twisted. He was talking about the support he has NOW, not in the past.

"I have more people supporting me in the black community that have announced for me because they know me. "

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Even his own "correction" tells us he misspoke - otherwise why insist that he said "first" if he meant "only"?

But since you insist that he wasn't talking about people who endorsed his current candidacy but endorsed him at some unidentified point in the past, what three former chairs of the Congressional Black Caucus endorsed him back in the day before Kamala Harris was a senator? Please be specific. Name them.

And btw, Kamala Harris was a part of the "Obama coalition in an elected capacity." She was one of the first elected officials in the country to endorse him back in early 2007. In fact, she was a leader in the Obama Coalition when Biden was still running against him, marveling at how clean and articulate Obama was. I guess she could have pointed out that she was part of the Obama coalition long before Biden did, but, then,Biden supporters probably would have accused her of calling him a racist, so it's just as well that she didn't ...

[R B Garr]

58. LOL, you are the one twisting since you want to completely erase Obama and why

Biden references where he came from in terms of black support. Biden left office when Obama did in 2016, so obviously he is not just talking about the last few months.

LOL, and not only are you erasing Obama as if his selection of Biden is unimportant, now you are dissing Carol Mosley Braun as if her endorsement is insignificant. You can spend your day looking up all the black people who do not support Biden. I'll stick with the knowledge of his service to the first black president and not expect that people will pretend that never happened.

And Harris was talking about rebuilding the Obama coalition. She was not part of Obama's elected government. She was not a Senator until Obama/Biden left office. She was an Attorney General in California, LOL.

[pnwmom]

51. What does Obama have to do with this? He was never a female African American Senator.

Biden claimed he HAS the support of the ONLY female African American Senator. And then insisted he'd said the "first" not the "only." Which every listener knew wasn't true.

Kamala doesn't look foolish. Biden made a mistake, with the proof of his mistake standing right there.

[R B Garr]

53. Obama had a VP Biden serving with him until they both left office in 2016. Obviously Biden

was not talking about Harris since she took office after they left. Harris took office in 2016, so obviously Biden was not referring to her service in the Senate, LOL. So he was not even remotely referencing her.

[pnwmom]

55. RIGHT -- he not referring to Kamala. He was making her invisible when he said he HAS the support

of the only female African American US Senator -- present tense, so this has nothing to do with the time period when he was VP.

The entire passage was written in the present tense. "I have," "have announced for me" "they know who I am" "the only African American woman who's ever been elected to the US Senate" are ALL written in the present tense. This statement has nothing to do with the status quo during Biden's term as VP under Obama.

Biden: If you notice, I have more people supporting me in the black community that have announced for me because they know me. They know who I am. Three former chairs of the black caucus, the only African American woman who’s ever been elected to the United States Senate, a whole range of people.

Booker: That's not true

Harris: Nope. The other one is here.

Biden: I said the FIRST. I said the FIRST African-American woman!

[R B Garr]

56. He was talking about coming out of the Obama coalition. Biden was Obama's VP.

They were talking about his support in the black community that didn't just happen in a vacuum. Kamala did not serve in Obama's government when Biden did. He could not have possibly been talking about her. Nothing to erase. She wasn't there until after he left. LOL.

[StarfishSaver]

61. Again, which three former chairs of the Congressional Black Caucus "announced for him" back then?

Please name them and tell us when they endorsed him.

Since you're so adamant he was talking about past endorsements, it shouldn't be much trouble for you to tell us who they were and when they endorsed.

[R B Garr]

62. "so adament" -- you are the one adament, especially that you refuse to acknowledge

that Biden was Obama's VP and it's obvious where his support from the black community comes from. Maybe you should go back and review those years. I'm not about to spend time looking up random people when the obvious is right in front of us.

[pnwmom]

64. She's not refusing to acknowledge Biden was Obama's VP. You are refusing to acknowledge

that Biden used the PRESENT TENSE throughout the whole passage where he said he HAS the support of the ONLY black female Senator "WHO'S EVER" served.

That's present tense, no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise. Saying the word Obama or Obama coalition doesn't magically turn Biden's use of the present tense into the past tense.

[R B Garr]

66. LOL, Biden talked about people knowing him. When do you think

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that started?? Since April of this year?? No, it was years before — people knowing him.

I realize there is an obsession with making yuuge gaffe kerfuffles for these desires narratives, trying to portray him as some out of touch old man just babbling, but this is getting of hand.

And Carole Moseley Braun isn’t even in the senate anymore, so obviously he was talking about his past support as well. LOL, this is absurd.

[StarfishSaver]

65. You can't answer because he wasn't referring to past endorsements. Thank you for confirming

And it's spelled "adamant."

[R B Garr]

67. He was referring to how people know him. You keep wanting

to erase how people know him, but no dice. It actually looks like Kamala and Booker are jealous of his support with black voters so they keep trying to diminish him — so petty.

And why in Gawd’s name would Kamala think Biden would even consider her a support since she is a direct competitor in the same race! LOL, this is just so absurd.

I’m phone typing, do go ahead and correct my spelling. I can’t be bothered.

[pnwmom]

63. So what? The Obama coalition isn't something that disappeared in 2016. It is shorthand

for a group that Biden is still drawing much support from today. Which is why he used the PRESENT TENSE to describe that support. But he messed up when he erased Kamala from that group, and from her status as a black female US Senator.

[betsuni]

14. I love her.

[TDale313]

15. I was impressed.

Particularly with her response to Tulsi. If she is on the ticket, either for President or VP, she will be more than ready to take on Trump.

[mcar]

17. She's been great!

[R B Garr]

18. Cory and Kamala look like they are snickering about Biden,

but Cory completely misrepresented what Biden said about pot, so the joke is on him. Kamala doesn’t like to be laughed at. I thought she did well until then.

[highplainsdem]

23. Yes, I think that exchange hurt Booker and Harris, at least with black voters. Biden haters

apparently enjoyed it.

[StarfishSaver]

32. I think it hurt Biden more

He misspoke twice in the same segment - he sounded off. He's lucky they just laughed about it good-naturedly.

[highplainsdem]

33. Biden haters keep misjudging how people react, assuming they're all Biden haters.

[StarfishSaver]

34. I assume you're not accusing me of being a "Biden hater"

Here's a clue - Biden is not perfect and can be criticized and that criticism is not "hate."

This is a campaign, not a cult.

[LanternWaste]

59. Valid criticism versus petulance. There is a difference...

Regardless of whether you acknowledge it or not.

(cult, indeed...)

[StarfishSaver]

60. What criticism of Biden do you think has been fair?

[Raine]

28. I thought Booker did well till then but

that was a turnoff to me.

[onecaliberal]

26. She had a great night.

[Kind of Blue]

27. Brava, indeed. Good to see her on point, speaking up for black women

and her hearty laughter showing she's obviously enjoying the debate.

[Garrett78]

35. She did great, and I continue to like her chances.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. Agree.

[Peacetrain]

40. I did not get to watch the debates but have been trying to catch up with highlights

She did very well!!

[Ba2020]

68. Best performance in a while

I hope it keeps her campaign going for a bit longer.