Bernie Wins the Debate tonight, so almost every one on MSNBC is talking about...

[JoeOtterbein]

...Tulsi?

Um. Interesting.

[radical noodle]

1. I haven't heard anyone say Bernie won the debate tonight

Well, except for you. The only Tulsi discussions I've heard have been negative about her, though.

[JoeOtterbein]

4. I could still be right about Bernie.

No matter how right you may be about Tulsi.

[LanternWaste]

57. You could be... but you're not.

(blame your error on the media... it's the go-to excuse these days)

[iamthebandfanman]

6. Have you

gone down through the primaries forum tonight? everyone thinks their candidate 'won'. :p

[radical noodle]

8. LOL! So you're saying it's just spin?

[Gothmog]

21. I have not heard this

I was not impressed with sanders

[still_one]

22. ++++++++++++

[Renew Deal]

2. Bernie didn't "win" anything and

It's become obvious that Tulsi is working against the Democratic Party.

[JoeOtterbein]

5. He won immigrants tonight.

He was the only one who mentioned them tonight.

[Uncle Joe]

7. I believe Tulsi makes an excellent lightning rod.

I also believe she has great passion for the men and women in the military and would make a good Secretary of Defense.

Thanks for the thread JoeOtterbein

[JoeOtterbein]

10. Thanks. We need to Close the Camps and...

...Release the Children to Their Parents.

First.

[Uncle Joe]

11. I agree Joe.

[BannonsLiver]

13. For what country?

[emmaverybo]

28. LoL.

[stopdiggin]

32. nope. Tulsi is too busy being a maverick

and rocking the boat. I don't see her being a good fit in any position that requires coordination and cooperation. Could any CIC every feel confident that their message and policy was the one that was being advanced?

[rampartc]

34. i like tulsi

she would be a great ambassador to someplace distant and harmless.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. I haven't heard anybody say they thought Bernie won the debate.

The consensus among the talking heads seems to be that Buttigieg, Harris and Klobuchar were the top performers.

[JoeOtterbein]

16. I said it.

Mark my words.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

55. But I said he didn't.

[BannonsLiver]

12. Oh my

Alternate realities are so fascinating.

[JoeOtterbein]

14. Little Flippy Rolly Little Laughing Emojis...

...back at ya!

[BannonsLiver]

17. Say more stuff.

[Cha]

23. lol

[JoeOtterbein]

35. I love popcorn and beer!

And singing on!

[emmaverybo]

29. 😂 LoL

[912gdm]

15. oh lord.

Okkkkkkkay.

[JoeOtterbein]

18. Lorddyyy...

... OK back at ya 2!

[boomer_wv]

19. Booker...

seems to be getting a lot of mention immediately. However, I'm not sure that it matters. The person who "wins" the debate hasn't really seen much movement in the polls beyond a small bump that fades as you move away from the date.

Everyone has some things they want to accomplish during the debate. If they can get those lines in and not do anything catastrophic, you can consider that debate a success. This is just the reality of a 10 person debate.

[Jewls2]

20. I have not heard or read anywhere Sanders won. Nothing. Booker mostly.

Warren and Harris and Biden had good nights and Klobuchar had her moments. The only thing I have heard about Sanders is since his heart attack he is not yelling.

[TreasonousBastard]

24. Bernie didn't win shit tonight, but Tulsi got noticed. Why is that a prob!em?

[democratisphere]

25. BS to the BS!

[stonecutter357]

26. lol

[TexasTowelie]

27. That's odd.

The Boston Globe scorecard which some members promoted because it gave Biden a "D" only gave Sanders a "C".

I guess you might need to have it out with the Boston Globe as to who won the debate?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/11/20/scorecard-grading-debate-performance-democratic-candidates/AFNnlHviWCbvGzoOdp0CmM/story.html

[JoeOtterbein]

30. Exactly! Bernie won the night because he beat our "front-runner".

C beats D in any language!

Thanks!

[TexasTowelie]

31. Using that standard, Elizabeth Warren won the night

because she beat our "front-runner" and Bernie.

B+ beats C and D in any language.

And you're welcome!

ETA: However, I'm also willing to give the win to Amy for her "A-".

[JoeOtterbein]

36. Sad truth D lost bigly tonight.

He was supposed to be our A!

[TexasTowelie]

37. I must have watched a different debate than you

and I've also heard the story about the wishful demise of Biden from Bernie supporters before, but Joe is still around.

Net outcome: Marginal shift in the polls of two to three points for a couple of weeks then equilibrium will be restored and Biden will remain ahead.

As for myself, I remain undecided although I have disqualified several that were on the stage tonight.

[JoeOtterbein]

38. Vote for who supports you.

Hope Bigger!

[TexasTowelie]

40. I'm not selfish.

I vote for the person who I believe that will be best for this country and have done that since my first presidential election in 1984.

[JoeOtterbein]

41. No! Vote for yourself and they will come.

Love always follows Hope!

Now, Hope Bigger!

[TexasTowelie]

42. When the time comes, I'll vote for whom I please.

I don't need any advice or guidance from anyone else. I can't say that I've voted in every municipal election or when there are only ballot propositions, but when I show up to vote I do know who (or what) I'm voting for.

[JoeOtterbein]

43. Great!

Then you will vote for Bernie!

Thanks!

[TexasTowelie]

47. Very presumptuous

and very incorrect at least for the primaries.

[JoeOtterbein]

49. It's way too easy to just say "for the primaries".

So Joe? Or no Joe?

"at least for the primaries"?

[TexasTowelie]

53. I don't believe that Bernie will get the nomination

so it's very easy to say and I like it that way.

There weren't any groundbreaking developments in the debate and two weeks from now we won't see any significant statistical changes in the polls. If anything, Buttigieg has closed the gap with Sanders in Iowa and New Hampshire so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some third and fourth place finishes for Bernie in the early primary states.

[TidalWave46]

56. This explains a lot. NT

[aeromanKC]

33. I guess we watched a different debate

Bernie did NOT win the debate tonight.

Amy, Cory, Kamala, and Pete won tonight. BIG win for the Democratic Middle tonight.

I liked Biden's comment about the importance of winning back the Senate as well. Only a few candidates could do that. Too bad he had that one word "gaffe" with Booker. But he is right about the Senate.

[JoeOtterbein]

39. We need to think beyond the Repubs ever could hope Biden Gaffes enough. Big Hope Wins!

While Middle diddles.

Go Bernie!

[betsuni]

46. "We need to think beyond the Repubs ever could hope Biden Gaffes enough."

What does this mean?

[JoeOtterbein]

48. Means that the GOP is hoping we lose because Biden Gaffes a lot.

While we need to hope bigger.

Or beyond the GOP.

Jeeze, this should not be hard.

Hope is bigger than hard!

[betsuni]

50. Hope and change?

[Mike Nelson]

44. I don't think Bernie ...

... did poorly, but I don't think he "won" the debate. I do think Tulsi had a bad night... she's been getting some attention, and she seems unable to move ahead. She does have some good lines, but she doesn't seem as genuine... I think Harris, Pete and the others got the best of her.

[JoeOtterbein]

45. Good points, but Bernie was the only debater tonight who spoke up for immigrants.

So Bernie won, the hearts of many like me.

[Mike Nelson]

52. That was nice how he...

... got that line in... about standing up for the 11 million (appx) immigrants. Even nicer because they can't vote. I know one of them... she can't go "home" because the USA is her only home. I will remember this wonderful young woman when I vote for the Democrat in 2020!

[TidalWave46]

51. I'm not seein a majority come even close to agreeing with your opinion.

You should understand why they are talking about her.

I love that Sanders brings a lot of young people on board. The negative aspect is the political learning curve on display. For example, not understanding why they are talking about Tulsi and then transitioning that confusion into a conspiracy theory. <- Exactly What was done in the op.

[LanternWaste]

54. If younger, I'd blame Sander's poor performance on the media as well... 'fish in a barrel' et. al.

But I eventually got older and stopped blaming others while accepting responsibility.

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

[Hav]

58. That seems odd...he wasn't even top 3

It's all subjective but in my opinion Sanders only beat out Gabbard who was truly horrible, Steyer and Biden. The "I'm sick and tired" is used too often and got old fast and he's rambling too much. Maybe Warren and Klobuchar were just a bit better but the other ones were clearly better.