I see the knives are out for Tulsi big time now...

[TreasonousBastard]

She's been a Democrat all her life and even #2 in the DNC but that's not as good as one candidate who refuses to join the party at all and another who was a Republican until a few years ago.

So, Fox picked up a remark and pushed it, but that means she made the comment for Fox to pick up? Seems to me at least one other candidate bitched and moaned about the party at some time. But an old feud with Hillary automatically puts her in the wrong.

Where is that proof that an Army major is in the pocket of the Russians, anyway? Didn't we just blow up about the slurs about a light colonel we happen to like?

I am no fan of Tulsi, but she doesn't seem to deserve this treatment. She is, after all, a Democrat running for President and should at least be treated as every other candidate is.

Do we still have this thing about not trashing Democrats? Or is it only certain Democrats. Even if they aren't registered Democrats.

[Cha]

1. A lot of people get what gabbard is doing.. sorry if you can't understand it..

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[BlueMTexpat]

24. This!

SOOOO much this!

[Cha]

65. Really.. It's hard to fathom

someone not seeing how TG is only dragging on the Dem Party in the most important election of our lifetime. She's only in it for herself.

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Mahalo, BlueMT!

[BlueMTexpat]

74. Mahalo back atcha, Cha!

[hlthe2b]

25. RT and Sputnik weigh in. She is sooooo beloved...

[SWBTATTReg]

30. Nailed it. And, if one pays attention to her ads (even on unpaid DU), it certainly sounds like a...

Russian wrote the ads, e.g., regime change, etc. ... who in the world uses words like this, except for Russians and/or others like this. We have other candidates I'd rather support...

[Cha]

67. I haven't seen any of her ads.. I know

she inundated Kauai with her signs in 2018 but wouldn't debate her opponents.

As Josh Marshall said..

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[SWBTATTReg]

70. There was one in particular that she stated in the ad (sometimes I bounce off DU and not sign in)..

that she wanted to eliminate 'regime change' ... words that I have heard over many years as being associated w/ the Russians, and people like that, that would use these words, in their propaganda.

She's the only one that uses such language. I agree w/ Mr. Marshall, on his thoughts and also, I think that she's just trying to grab attention when she's failing to get it on any other merits, and she's trying to be a spoiler.

Take care...

[Cha]

71. Yes, Gabbard has her no "regime change"

talking points and she's sticking to them.. calling it the bush, Hillary, trump doctrine. Which anyone knows whatever Hillary did during her SOS time for President Obama was his policy.. not Hillary's. And PBO's policy was nothing like bush or trump.. but wth does she care?

It's bizarre she feels so comfortable going on tucker's and Hannity fox shows to bash Hillary and Dems. We know what they stand for.

You take care, too, SWBTATTReg!

[Cha]

66. Is it any wonder?!

..who during the Obama administration spent four years full time on Fox News criticizing President Obama. Who has been full time criticizing people on this stage as affiliated with the Democratic Party. When Donald Trump was elected, not even sworn in, buddied up to Steve Bannon to get a meeting with Donald Trump in Trump Tower, fails to call a war criminal by what he is as a war criminal.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=354569

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[Pisces]

76. She is just a disrupter who needs to go away!

[mcar]

44. +1000!

[Cha]

68. Mahalo, mcar!

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[Me.]

62. Her Constant Attacks On Dems Are Disgraceful

why does she even want to be a DEm. Was it because it was the easiest way to get elected in Hawaii? And that fake 'lawsuit' against HRC does her no favors. And didn't she recently go after PBO.

I am not happy about all the non-DEms allowed to run under the Dem banner with republican/independent Bloomberg being the latest. They have no loyalty to the aims of the party and different agendas from the Dem platform and I'm getting pretty fed up with them taking up time and space that I feel should go to our candidates.

Aloha Cha...

[Cha]

69. It's the only way to get

elected in Hawaii

TG has always gone after Pres Obama.. that's when she lost me..

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[blm]

107. She's a Dem like Susan Collins is a moderate. Only when it can be used to

benefit herself. Other than that they are Team Trump.

[JoeOtterbein]

2. Tulsi is a fish in a barrell, when the "front-runner" is fumbling...

...loud and clear enough to be noticed .

[Cha]

6. gabbard smears herself..

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[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I'd say she's more DINO than Democrat.

She hangs around with the crowd from Breitbart. That's disqualifying in my book.

[Cha]

7. Exactly, Peggy.. TG goes on tucker's fox show, too..

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she praised putin.. and bashed President Obama..

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[micDROP]

4. She's a moderate

I think she is a moderate because of the military. If she is a Russian asset she needs to be removed from the military 1st. Then 2nd the Dem debates

[Celerity]

11. she is not a moderate at all, she is a Sanderite policy style candidate, she resigned from the DNC

to back Bernie in 2016. Most of her policies would very much fit in a Sanders or Warren rally, and if she runs as a 3rd Party candidate it will more than likely be as a Green, which is very far from a moderate party. She is (or was) the number one choice for Bernie's VP from his supporters. Many DSA'ers supporter her.

The only reason she gets traction (and it is 95% plazzy aka faux, fake, phoney) from Rethugs in polls, etc, is because they are using her as a disruptive force to divide et impera our Party, due to her propensity to bash the mainstream Dem establishment. 95% plus of Rethugs would never ever support her actual polices and legislative agenda.

[BlueMTexpat]

32. Correction: they would not fit in a

Warren rally at all. She was a Sanders supporter in 2016 primarily because she hated HRC and that was a good way to stick it to her. She may support some of the same policies as Sanders, but she would never support Warren because she hasn't put much thinking into anything. Warren has. Moreover, some of Warren's policies may sound like some policies of Sanders. But Warren's are actually different, much as some try to equate them and otherwise to make her into something that she is not. She is NOT, e.g., a far-left ideologue and is also extremely effective at compromise. She is one of the most effective Dems in the Senate per GovTrack and she is currently the Vice-Chair of the Senate Democratic Caucus. Apparently, I cannot repeat these facts often enough.

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Frankly, Tulsi does not seem to like ANY woman candidate other than herself.

Other than that, I am wholly in agreement with your post.

[Eric J in MN]

88. Tulsi Gabbard didn't qualify for tomorrow's debate. NT

NT

[greyl]

5. Couple hours ago maybe yes, but she's bled out by now.

Doubt she'll make December debates, even if it's two nights of six candidates.

[chillfactor]

8. Please tell me that you are not stupid enough to see

what Tulsi is doing? I cannot believe that any true Democrat would stick up for her...….what in the hell is wrong with you?

[TreasonousBastard]

9. Could you enlighten me on exactly what it is she is doing? Clearly I'm not smart enough...

to figure it out myself.

[Cha]

12. You obviously haven't been paying attention while

most of the people on this thread have.. for years.

Your thread is full of respected people reacting to gabbard smearing and gaslighting the Dem Party tonight. If that doesn't bother you then I can't help you.

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[dansolo]

26. She supported Bernie

That is the reason that people still defend her.

[we can do it]

31. And I think that's about the only reason.

[lostnfound]

37. To see her now, I'm pretty shocked she was ever #2 at DNC.

Wtf. Was she an infiltrator?

I even supported Bernie last time but view him a little less favorably because of Tulsi.

Plus there’s just so many other good candidates.Like Pete, Elizabeth, Amy, Cory, Kamala and Obama The Sequel.

[TomCADem]

94. And Bernie Has Supported Her

It is not just a one way street. Heck, she is listed as a co-founder of his foundation.

[totodeinhere]

73. She has received support from several of the other candidates including

Sanders and Buttigieg.

[RandySF]

10. When a Democrat becomes Tucker Carlson's regular guest

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I begin to question whether she's a real Democrat.

[Cha]

13. No kidding..

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And, TG said Kamala was "lying" about it?!

[Jirel]

45. Yuppers.

Tucker Carlson, Breitbart... she runs to far right media constantly. She is a tool of disruption, not a real Dem.

[Jewls2]

14. The Republican that turned Democrat a few years ago was about 23 yrs ago.

So, if there is a lecture for treatment of our Democrats, then you should at least be exemplary in that with honesty of other Democrats.

[pnwmom]

17. Gabbard was a Republican till 17 years ago, when she ran for the Hawaii House of Representatives.

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Her father was a Republican politician in Hawaii.

And Warren, unlike Gabbard, never participated in protests against abortion and LGBT equality.

[we can do it]

33. Thank you🤬

[BlueMTexpat]

35. Thanks, pnwmom,

for rebutting the not-so-covert slur against Warren.

[Jewls2]

72. Ha, so not only was it ill-informed about Warren, but blatantly false about Gabbard. Hm.

[TreasonousBastard]

95. Seems like she was a "nothing" prior to her Hawaii House run, although she held some...

rightwing positions. Which have since changed. Have you seen her registration record?

And that was when she was in her 20s, and not yet fully formed politically. Probably reflecting her parents' views.

People here seem to think that I like Tulsi, even though I have someone else down there in the support box.
I do not like or support her-- I am merely pointing out the double standard of accepting some, but trashing others.

What happened to "I will vote for ANY Democrat who runs against Trump"?

[pnwmom]

96. No one is saying they won't vote for her if she's the nominee. Most of us strongly don't want

her to be the nominee. There's a difference.

[TreasonousBastard]

97. Ahh, well... I was commenting on my fascination with the attitude...

"I pledge to vote for ANY Democrat next year."

Except maybe Gabbard.

And the corollary- "Speak no evil of ANY Democrat."

Except Gabbard.

And how those who feel this way have no second thoughts or excuses-- that's just the way it is and you may be too stupid or ignorant to see it.

So, are we supporting Democrats? Just some Democrats? Or just people we decide are Democrats?

[pnwmom]

101. There is no rule that we aren't allowed to criticize Democrats during primaries.

And I've never seen anyone here say they wouldn't vote for Gabbard if she were the nominee. She's just the last person on many people's list.

[brush]

106. Give it up, please. She's a mole and is wasting our time as she...

has no chance for the Dem nod.

Look for her as a third party candidate though.

How is that all her Dem bashing on FOX and Breitbart has escaped your attention?

[Cha]

15. gabbard had "the knives" out for Hillary and the Dem

party long before tonight.. now just because people are calling her on her shite.. it's "poor TG"?

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[pnwmom]

16. She has NOT been a Democrat all her life. She was raised in an authoritarian cult

run by Chris Butler, her father was a Republican politician, and she was actively engaged in protests against abortion and LGBT equality into her early twenties. And in 2013, when she was asked to campaign in Hawaii for the same-sex marriage bill, she refused (unlike Mazie Hirano and other Dems.) In a January 2016 interview in Ozy she said that her personal views were unchanged; she just no longer thought she should impose them on other people.

It is no surprise that people like Steve Bannon, Breitbart, and Trey Gowdy love her. They can see her attacking the Democrats from within.

And she is the one who never misses a chance to smear Hillary Clinton. The fact that this is an "old" habit of hers doesn't excuse it.

[Hekate]

18. A good synopsis, pnwmom. Tulsi is not what she seems on the surface.

[Anon-C]

54. +1000

[Grokenstein]

19. "and should at least be treated as every other candidate is"

That isn't what you actually want, but okay.
Here's a laundry list of good reasons for those knives.

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[SleeplessinSoCal]

20. has there been a candidate as troubling as Gabbard before?

She didnt answer Steve Schmidt's questions about Assad. Or Buttigieg. And her attacks on HRC now are very Trumpian.

[Funtatlaguy]

21. A fox in our henhouse

[hlthe2b]

22. "Do we still have this thing about not trashing Democrats?" you ask

Yes. Only it is Tulsi Gabbard who is doing the trashing.

I don't want to personalize this. But, if, as you seem to show from your choice of candidate (Klobuchar) are defending Gabbard, it seems inexplicable. Klobuchar is the anti-Gabbard in every sense of the word. And if you open your eyes, Gabbard may be benefitting from RW and Russian bot and financial support largely because of her support for a pull-out in Syria and defense of Assad and less so for her Trump-like support of Russia and Putin, but it is there nonetheless.

November 18, 2019 (not a historical study whatsoever, but conducted by the well respected Clint Watts):
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russian-web-trolls-boo-biden-often-boost-gabbard-report-finds-n1085216

WASHINGTON — Among Democrats running for president, Tulsi Gabbard is popular with Russian propagandists, while Joe Biden draws the most criticism, according to a new analysis.

Mentions of Gabbard, a Hawaii congresswoman, by English-language Russian propaganda outlets were 46 percent favorable and 44 percent unfavorable, a research team from the Foreign Policy Research Institute found after analyzing more than 1,700 news stories put out by Sputnik and Russia Today, or RT. She was the only Democratic candidate with more favorable than unfavorable mentions.

References to the former vice president, by contrast, were 3 percent favorable and 53 percent unfavorable. The rest were neutral.

For Russia thus far, Biden is to 2020 what Hillary Clinton was to 2016, the researchers found.

"When I watched Russian state-sponsored content and social media trolling headed into election 2016, it was overwhelmingly negative toward Hillary Clinton. The same could be said today of former Vice President Biden," said Clint Watts, a former FBI agent and NBC News contributor who led the effort.

[onetexan]

29. Presumptuous. Whomever is the eventual nominee will be treated by the Russians like Hillary

since the Dem candidate will be their puppet's opponent.

[hlthe2b]

48. What is presumptuous?

I've had it with those who refuse to see what she (Gabbard) is doing. Willful ignorance is the worst kind IMHO.

It isn't merely a difference of political position with Gabbard. She is content to be the RW foil--however unwitting-- with Russian support--again, whether willingly accepting or not. I resent the interference in both the General election and our own primaries. I also deeply resent her attack on the Democratic Party and Democrats in general. She can't even be bothered to correctly define the name of the party, but rather buys into Newt Gingrich's long propagated slur, "the DemocRAT" party.

[onetexan]

55. i agree Gabbard is a Repug in sheep's clothing. However, any Dem candidate will be vilified by

Russian propaganda, RW pundits and crazies once they become the nominee.

[hlthe2b]

57. In the General, yes, certainly against a Putin Puppet like Trump.

I rather doubt Gabbard would be attacked on the same level as the other candidates. My guess would be a velvet glove approach. She may not offer everything that Trump does in terms of Putin-favorable positions, but she certainly offers quite a few.

[betsuni]

23. "So, Fox picked up a remark and pushed it"

What does this mean?

[onetexan]

27. My God, Gabbard's comment about Hillary is disgraceful!!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newselection2020/5-takeaways-from-the-5th-democratic-debate/ar-BBX5H3I?li=BBnb7Kz

After Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii, criticized former Secretary of State and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton as the “personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic party,” the moderators asked Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., giving her the opportunity to share her grievances from debates ago.

After Gabbard criticized Harris’ record as a prosecutor in the second debate, Harris sharply chided Gabbard, responding, “I think that it's unfortunate that we have someone on this stage who is attempting to be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States who during the Obama administration spent four years full time on Fox News criticizing President Obama.”

Why the hell is someone like Gabbard elected to office as a Democrat? Her politics is truly disgusting.

[Jirel]

46. Hardly the first time she trumpeted right wing talking points/conspiracy theories.

Just the most obvious. If she talks like an R, acts like an R, benefits from Russian media like an R... she ain’t a D.

[apcalc]

28. Tulsi is trouble, a DINO, imo.

[Renew Deal]

42. An "unwitting agent" is more apt

And there is a debate about the unwitting part

[Hav]

34. So much that is factually wrong in that OP

First, it already starts with the surprising claim that she has been a Dem all her life...
Then, it was almost immediately clarified that it's the Repubs and not the Russians who might be grooming Gabbard for the third party run. As for internet support, it's a fact that Russian bots support her and that she's among one of very few who get positive coverage from them which stands in contrast to pretty much every other Dem.

There might be a chance for Gabbard to be treated as other candidates if she weren't so openly hostile to the party. It couldn't be more clearer that she is going for the anti-Dem votes, bashing the party left and right. Her support from Dems has collapsed by her own doing with her unhinged response to Clinton. Instead it's Repubs who keep her alive in the polls to qualify.
With all her baggage, she's still looking for fights, slandering the Democratic party right at the start and then being stupid enough to attack Pete with an out of context quote only to get demolished. But I'm sure she'll run to Hannity and Carlson again to bash the Democratic party more because that is what a normal Dem does.

[BuffaloJackalope]

38. She thinks she can ride to victory with the support of "never Hillary" Democrats - and no one else.

That they're still even a thing after 4 yrs of Trump is ...

[genxlib]

39. There has been a great deal of misunderstanding and misinformation about the Hillary/Gabbard thing

Hillary wasn't claiming that Tulsi was working for Russia.

She was claiming that Russia has been working on behalf of Tulsi.

The former would be an explosive claim with only assumptions as proof. The latter is simply a fact based on russian bots, Russian media etc.

She went on to say that the GOP was grooming her to be a divisive figure and run third party. I think you can pretty much call that true as well.

Hillary took a lot of grief for that but the whole thing was misinterpreted. Tulsi is being used by those two outside forces to divide us. The degree to which she is participating in that may be in question but the GOP/KGB thing is real no matter how much she wants to complain about the charge.

[Lisa0825]

56. Thank you! Great explanation! nt

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

40. She will never be president

And that is all that matters.

[dewsgirl]

41. She actually says the Democrat party, just like a Republican.

[jcgoldie]

43. That in itself is a tremendous red flag

It tells you who she listens to and who she is speaking to and neither of those involves anyone in the Democratic Party.

[dewsgirl]

50. Definitely n/t

[hlthe2b]

49. Exactly... A long time RW slur propagated by Newt Gingrich.

For the few Duers who may think it "much ado about nothing," google it!

[dewsgirl]

51. I didn't know it started with him. I did know they do it

because we hate it.

[hlthe2b]

52. I think it actually may have preceded him, but he (and the RW echochamber) got it propagated

[Happy Hoosier]

47. I'll just say this....

She is probably not a knowing Russian asset. But she is never-the-less doing exactly what they want her to do: Create internal dissension and disillusionment. She is a "useful idiot."

I heard what she said about Clinton and Obama last night, and I am having none of it. Does she think attacking the party and some of its admired leaders is going to win her the nomination? Of course not. She knows she is not winning. She has another goal, IMO.

[PubliusEnigma]

53. Are you certain that you aren't a fan? Because you kind of sound like a fan.

[TwilightZone]

58. She's not running a serious campaign.

She's looking for a paying gig on TV, and she's not too particular about where it comes from. Her presidential run is just a tool to help accomplish that.

I doubt she's a Russian asset, but I also have zero time for anyone who downplays the Russian involvement in 2016, regardless of the side of the aisle on which they reside.

Regarding the feud with Hillary, she continued to push the false narrative about "Russians" vs. "Republicans" long after the story had been corrected. She's not naive. Her ignorance was intentional, which is a problem.

[tenderfoot]

59. LOL

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[Cha]

80. Rofl.. 'nuff said..

That laugh is contagious.. so real!Thank you, tenderfoot!

[LanternWaste]

60. You last question seems more germane to Gabbard herself than any one poster here.

But we get it... you're very saddened (and concerned) by her oppression at the hands of our paper knives. How very gallant and courageous of you to make this stand.

[Baked Potato]

61. I don't trust her at all

Seems to be an outlier and isn’t helping Democratic causes.

[BannonsLiver]

63. Boo hoo

[greatauntoftriplets]

64. I think that she's essentially an opportunist.

And a Democrat of convenience.

[themaguffin]

75. How do you feel about Joe Lieberman, a Democrat and VP pick?

[pnwmom]

78. I think he turned out to be an unfortunate choice. nt

[guillaumeb]

77. Well, there was this:

Sen. Harris responded to Gabbard attacking Democrats by saying:

I think that it’s unfortunate that we have someone on this stage that is attempting to be the democratic nominee for president of the United States, who during the Obama administration spent four years full time on Fox News criticizing President Obama. Who has been full time criticizing people on this stage as affiliated with the Democratic Party. When Donald Trump was elected, not even sworn in, buddied up to Steve Bannon to get a meeting with Donald Trump in Trump Tower, fails to call a war criminal by what he is as a war criminal.

To read and see more:

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/11/20/kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-democratic-debate.html

In my view, Gabbard can respond to the assertions and claim the assertions are untrue, or not.

[gibraltar72]

79. Good.

[betsuni]

81. She made numerous knife commercials, she's selling knives.

[kcr]

82. She's been a Dem all her life? Where did you hear that?

Fox didn't pick up her remark. She actually went on Fox and delivered them herself. Multiple times. She deserves every bit of the treatment she's getting. You claim you aren't a fan, but you sound just like someone who has swallowed the BS whole and loves the taste.

[Klamath]

83. This didn't age well

At all.

[Cha]

84. Nope!

[ecstatic]

85. LOL! Welcome to DU? :-) nt

[betsuni]

90. I certainly did not.

[MrsCoffee]

92. You can say that again.

[Demsrule86]

87. I agree with you...leave her alone.

[johnnyrocket]

89. That's because she's horrible, and horribly compromised.

[TeamPooka]

93. hahahahahahahahahaha

You're adorable.
Funniest post of the day.

[BlueMTexpat]

98. She deserves everything she

is getting.

Period.

[TreasonousBastard]

99. Well, is she, or is she not a Democrat? Or simply one mot up to your standards?

[BlueMTexpat]

100. She has a "D" after her name.

In no other way is she a Democrat.

[thegoose]

102. Total Pootie plant

Don't buy what she's selling. Jill Stein v2.

[at140]

103. Maybe because she is a looker!

And she has actually risked her life for the country in military combat situation.

[brush]

104. Get outta here with this crap. She's a mole who appeared on FOX...

many time bashing Obama and now she's attacking Pelosi when she herself didn't have the nerve to vote on impeachment.

[MaryMagdaline]

105. I'm as loyal to her as she is to me