'Majority of Americans Agree With Me and Bernie':

[Uncle Joe]

Michael Moore Makes Powerful Case for Medicare for All on Post-Debate MSNBC Panel

During a panel discussion Wednesday night following the 2020 Democratic presidential debate in Atlanta, filmmaker Michael Moore pushed back against MSNBC pundits for suggesting that a "moderate" candidate would be more likely to defeat President Donald Trump and said the majority of U.S. voters favor progressive solutions to the nation's most pressing issues, from healthcare to the climate crisis.

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"Says who? Are you actually talking to people about this?" Moore asked. "Yes, they want the assurance that whatever we have with the new Medicare for All is essentially just a transfer from what they have with their good union healthcare. Fine, but the average Democrat and the average American does not like the health insurance company. They hate Aetna, and Cigna, and UnitedHealthcare."

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"The healthcare industry has caused more pain and harm and anxiety for the American people than practically any other industry, and we should never side with candidates that say we're going to keep this private profit-making thing going," Moore said. "That's not where the American people are at. They are fed up with this."

Pointing to General Motors' decision in September to cut off employee healthcare coverage during the United Auto Workers strike, Moore said it should be "illegal" to allow for-profit companies to eliminate workers' health insurance on a whim.

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/21/majority-americans-agree-me-and-bernie-michael-moore-makes-powerful-case-medicare

Kudos to Michael.

[George II]

1. To quote Moore, I ask Moore "Says who? Are you actually talking to people about this?"

[KPN]

4. Says a majority of Americans regarding private insurance industry -- which is what he said.

[beastie boy]

12. Actually, Moore says "the average American". What the hell he means by it is anyone's guess.

He certainly stays away from any statistics to back what he says.

[Thekaspervote]

17. 1000+

[Perseus]

18. Statistics...

70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal

[link:https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412545-70-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care|

The meme that "people love their current private insurance" is propaganda started by the insurance industry and republicans, I am disappointed Biden, and other Democratic candidates is singing the same tune as the insurance industry and republicans, its just a meme, why some people are buying it I don't know.

[beastie boy]

22. That was last year's survey. And the question was NOT about "Medicare for all"

The question was, and I quote: "Would you support or oppose providing Medicare to every American?"

Nothing about Bernie's "Medicare for all" which, unlike Medicare, requires compulsory participation and is not funded by payroll deductions.

On the other hand, more recently, when asked if they support "Medicare for all"...

https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2019/10/29/5db8562be4b0bb1ea36ff121.pdf

42%. Impressive, but far from majority of Americans.

[Perseus]

27. You did read the title of the article, right?

In case you didn't:

70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal

[beastie boy]

28. I couldn't care less for the misleading title.

I am citing the source. If anyone at The Hill wants to twist facts, it doesn't create in me a sense of obligation.

[beachbumbob]

2. who is michael moore?? Is he the guy that spent 2016 bashing Hillary so trump would win? Is it

that guy?

Who would listen to him about anything is incredible in and of itself

[BannonsLiver]

3. An obese 64 year old Naderite turned Bernie supporter wearing the uniform of a 17year old boy.

[beachbumbob]

6. waste of space between the ears

pretty much a hasbeen seeking past glory at everyone's expense

[greatauntoftriplets]

15. LOL, I know 17-year-old boys who dress much better than Moore.

[KPN]

5. He didn't bash Hillary "so Trump would win." That's disingenuous.

[beachbumbob]

8. not at all, Did he bash Hillary the entire 2016 election season? Did hillary win or trump win?

BAM

reality has that effect, same with NAder and his asshole supporters who ave Bush/cheney the win

[KPN]

14. You can't identify one single vote that was cast for tRump or against HRC because Moore was not

a fan and said so.

[beastie boy]

16. What I CAN identify is 12% of Bernie supporters voting for trump

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

I can safely speculate that more than one of them voted for Trump because of what Moore said.

[KPN]

25. Nah, they were already there. Those are the voters who already know that the system is rigged and

have given up on trying to rehabilitate it via the vote because they see elections as a sham controlled by the influence of big money. They see it as a corrupted system. They are actually okay with blowing it up if their only choice is a candidate they view as part of the "establishment" -- because they think that will wake all the rest of us up. Talk with them. I have. That's what they tell me. They were there because they think -- not because Moore speaks. I'm not saying their thinking is right, but at least they do think.

[beastie boy]

26. Not a pursuasive argument at all. They were all fine with Bernie not blowing up the system.

But when it came to choice between Hillary and Trump, they chose Trump to spite Hillary. Don't tell me Moore's incessant Hillary bashing had nothing to do with it. Sure there were some whom you describe. But are you telling me that ALL of the12% of Bernie supporters were bomb throwers? If they saw, as you contend, elections as sham, why vote at all? Those Bernie supporters who sat it out are not even included in the 12% I cited.

If there were more than 2 of them who listened to Moore, I've made my point.

[marlakay]

31. Thats all part of a primary

Many Biden supporters bash Bernie all the time and Warren for being far left. What if they win the primary? Does that mean moderates won’t vote for them? That we can blame them if they don’t win?

We can either attack each other or all pull together to get a Democrat no matter who.

[beastie boy]

33. I am only attacking Trump voters. And yes, I am engaging in speculation on why they voted for Trump.

And in response to "not a single one", it is reasonable to speculate that there were more than one who got swayed by Moore's bashing of Hillary, primary or not.

[Perseus]

20. Hillary won the popular vote, so whatever he may have said did not affect her

I don't buy that trump won the numbers to sway the Electoral College vote to give him the win. They cheated, they hacked the voting machines.

On top of that, why are Democrats not fighting to get rid of the EC? The EC makes it so easy for republicans to cheat, all they have to do is concentrate on a few states.

I am sure most of you applauded Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11". I don't agree with everything he does or says, but at the end of the day he is with the people and not the politicians, and I have to respect that he has his own opinion, whether I like it or not.

It saddens me to read posts where even the way he dresses, his weight are discussed in such a disparaging way, as liberals we respect other people, we understand our differences as we expect those to respect our opinions. Very sad.

[KPN]

7. Yep. Kudos to Michael Moore for speaking truth to power.

[LanternWaste]

9. I too pretend unsupported allegations are "Truth to power"

As that pretense certainly allows us much more import and relevance to our mere opinions than reality may otherwise dictate.

[KPN]

13. Hey, nothing wrong with countering unsupported allegatiuons with unsupported truth.

[Uncle Joe]

11. I would encourage anyone to view the video, it was

"truth to power."

[Docreed2003]

10. "The healthcare industry"?

I will say at the outset that I believe healthcare to be a right and that no one should be punished for their inability to afford vital healthcare...but what is considered to be the "healthcare industry"?? Medicare is a government program which leans heavily on insurance companies to carry out its purpose. Frankly, the insurance companies, no matter how diabolical they are, are not the driving force behind healthcare costs in this country. The major source for costs are hospitals and providers. So, the question that no one seems to want to address or answer is this: how do you propose to reduce costs of healthcare without also reducing those costs?

Are we going to propose reduced payments to hospitals? Then say goodbye to the majority of small and rural hospitals that are hanging on by a thread as it is today.

Are we going to propose less reimbursement to physicians and providers? Would you or anyone else be willing to dedicate four years of college, four years of med school and 3-5 years of residency training at a minimum to work in a field that had no promise of reasonable income to pay for the costs of that education and the lost wages of those years of education and training? As a physician, I would not go through all of that again under those circumstances.

So, again, how do we bring about a massive structural change without upending the entire system?

[Happy Hoosier]

19. I don't. Not yet.

I think we need to move to universal care not provided by employers.

But I am not at all convinced MFA is the way to go, and especially not in one fell swoop.

[LongtimeAZDem]

21. I would disagree

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[ehrnst]

34. Having the data is important. Thanks for the insights. (nt)

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[TidalWave46]

24. Moore is an excellent salesman to the lowest common denominator.

He is really about the Benjamins.

[Gothmog]

29. MSNBC made a big mistake have Moore on

I did not watch the parts with Moore. I have no interest in what this person has to say.

[marlakay]

32. My advice be careful of

Shutting yourself off from different parts of our big tent. I am on the progressive side but I try to keep a open mind to those who believe different than me.

Mike hates Trump and will use whatever fame he has to get people to vote democrat, for that alone he helps. His movies about guns and healthcare were great.

[Gothmog]

35. I am very well informed which is why I really dislike Michael Moore

You do know that Micheal Moore helped to elect George W. Bush by supporting Nader. Supporting Nader gave us the Iraq War, Citizens United and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act.

Moore should strongly consider doing a movie that people will actually watch. His law film was a major bomb

[marlakay]

36. And he has regretted it ever since

And always supported the democrat in general ever since.

Why should we put down anyone in our party that helps elect democrats and promotes voter registration?

[Gothmog]

39. How is making bad movies that no one watches helping voter registration?

What exactly has Moore done with respect to voter registration in the real world? I am curious.

Please understand that I strongly believe that Texas is turning blue and could be a battleground state this cycle. In 2018 we flipped two congressional seats (Colin Allred and Lizzie Fletcher) and 12 state house seats. We need 9 more state house seats to take control of the Texas House of Representatives and the DCCC is targeting 6 congressional seats. I am going to a fundraiser for one of the candidates running to flip a congressional district tomorrow and to fundraiser for two state house seats later in December. I am also going to a MJ Hegar event in early December and I would love to defeat Cornyn

I am very active in Democratic politics in the real world and I have devoted a ton of time on voter protection efforts and helping candidates. I help run the Clinton Texas statewide voter protection effort and I have been in war rooms every cycle since I went to Florida in 2004 as part of the Kerry Edwards Voter Protection team.

I am a Deputy voter registrar and I have been working with several candidates who are trying to register voters. There are some interesting programs out there but I have not seen any mention of Moore by any of the programs.

I hate to break it to you but Moore is not that popular in Texas but I would love to hear what Moore is doing in the real world to help voter registration.

[betsuni]

30. "The Democratic Party has to be the party that is for peace ... ."

It is not the party starting unnecessary "regime change wars" for no reason except for an absurd neocon plan. That's the Republican Party. You know that, MM, you made a documentary about it.

About Bernie: "He's always the first to say it. Whether it's about Medicare for All or raising the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour." Sigh. No, Medicare for All is not his idea* and I didn't see "Sicko" but MM must be familiar with the long history of universal healthcare as a basic Democratic Party platform. The political movement Fight for Fifteen which began in 2012 and got the fifteen dollar minimum wage in the national news will be surprised to hear that Bernie was the first person to say the words "Fifteen dollar minimum wage." This is ridiculous.

*Here is Ted Kennedy in 1978 saying that the Democratic platform provides decent quality healthcare for all Americans "as a matter of a right and not a privilege."

[ismnotwasm]

37. Yeah. I am really tired of it

I mean Really, really tired of it

[betsuni]

38. Me too.

Tired and angry.