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brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:20 PM Nov 2019

Trump blames the media...and so does Sanders




Politics makes strange beldfellows...

As for his claim, he's still polling at half his 2016 support and is showing no upward momentum.
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LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
1. That is an interesting point about his polling.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:27 PM
Nov 2019

I wonder what it is about the other half that keeps them from Sanders?

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KPN

(15,646 posts)
6. Good stuff. Thx for posting.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:48 PM
Nov 2019
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KPN

(15,646 posts)
9. I can only speak for myself. I think Bernie's time has passed basically. I supported him in 2016,
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:58 PM
Nov 2019

but frankly, I didn't see any great alternatives that matched my positions and priorities on issues nearly as much as he did then. There are several other candidates I am quite high on now. Of those, Warren is my front-runner right now. That doesn't mean Bernie's out of it for me yet, but in a survey asking who I'd likely vote for today, it would be Warren if I had to choose. I suspect there are many like me.

ps -- I have a great admiration for Sanders and will always hold him in high regard for what he has done to raise Americans' awareness.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
3. Bernie has 50% less support this time..
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:38 PM
Nov 2019

Because he is running against 15 candidates in 2020 …… It's not a 1-1 race , as it was in 2016 ...He can win Primary and Caucuses in 2020 with 30% support in this multi-candidate field …. If he wins Iowa and NH, his present national support ( 17%-18%) could easily vault to 30% ….

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
8. As far as support goes, he's essentially running against four others, not fifteen.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:51 PM
Nov 2019

No one outside of Biden, Warren, Harris, and Buttigieg is drawing from his 2016 support in any significant fashion.

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Wawannabe

(5,661 posts)
4. Projection
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:42 PM
Nov 2019

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
5. we have no real mainstream media in this country, just corporate canned garbage
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:44 PM
Nov 2019

so, as much as corporatists would love to think otherwise, Bernie is right.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
7. Guilt by association is so lame. We've been calling out the MSM for decades.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:49 PM
Nov 2019
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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
10. It's such an empty cornerstone of his campaign.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:05 PM
Nov 2019

This should be well known to everyone who wasn't born last night. When someone comes along espousing populist rhetoric and railing against the media, run away from them as fast as could be.

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Cha

(297,275 posts)
11. But BS is on tv making his case, no?
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:56 PM
Nov 2019
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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
12. Mother Jones -- "Bernie Sanders Hates the Media Just as Much as Republicans Do"
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:17 PM
Nov 2019

Like Trump, Bernie has been in favor of having his own forum to communicate directly with people without being questioned by the hated media as explained in this article in Mother Jones, a progressive magazine:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/bernie-sanders-corporate-media-revolution/



Because Sanders hated 30-second local-news segments and unserious stories, he developed a reputation among the local press corps as antagonistic. (He once brought a 60 Minutes camera crew into the Associated Press’ Montpelier bureau so the crew could watch him grill reporters about their coverage.) He could be relentlessly on message and took offense when reporters asked him about something other than what he wanted to talk about that day. And he rejected the very idea of “news” as something that must be new.

* * *

He believed he should have his own forum on television, much like a president, to convey his message without a media filter. When he visited Nicaragua, for instance, he’d been enthralled by a television show Ortega hosted, in which Ortega simply spoke with the people, they relayed their concerns, and he made his case. The result was Bernie Speaks With the People, a quirky television show on Chittenden Community Television in Burlington, that allowed Sanders to speak directly to the camera once a week.

When he released his first book, Outsider in the House, in 1997, Sanders, by then a member of the US House of Representatives, took dead aim at what he called “America’s untold story“—corporate-owned media. “The problem with television is not just what is reported but, more importantly, what is not reported,” he wrote. “It’s no accident that we get thousands of hours of discussion about the O.J. Simpson trial and almost no discussion about the growing gap between rich and poor or our regressive tax system. Why is it that there is massive coverage of airplane crashes, but almost no coverage of corporate disinvestment in the United States?”

While conservatives howled about their own treatment in the press, at least they had friendly talk shows. “[D]espite the fact that 15 million Americans are trade unionists, there isn’t one national television program exclusively devoted to discussing the goals and problems of the trade union movement, and the needs of American workers,” Sanders complained. “In fact, most Americans have never seen even one prime-time television show on the positive role that trade unions have played in protecting the lives of working Americans.” (When Ed Schultz, a major union advocate, lost his MSNBC show in July, Sanders tooks the unusual step of releasing a statement, saying he was “disappointed that Comcast chose to remove Ed Schultz from its lineup.”)
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