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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 12:31 PM Jan 2020

Ethics often take a back seat to expediency in political campaigns.

That's unfortunate whenever it happens. It's worse, though, when it happens during primary elections within the same political party. If unethical behavior is tolerated on the part of staff members of a campaign by the candidate, should we not question the candidate's ethics? I think we should.

Misbehavior by a candidate's high-level staff that wrongly characterizes an opponent candidate of the same party should not be tolerated by any candidate. If it is tolerated, then questions need to be addressed to the candidate about such misbehavior.

While lies, half-truths, and alterations of candidates' statements are pretty commonplace in partisan politics, it should not be acceptable in primary campaigns when the target is another primary candidate of the same party.

Period.

That, as always, is my opinion. Yours might differ.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Lexee

(377 posts)
1. Our Democrats hold true.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ArtTownsend

(439 posts)
2. Don't be coy. Who are you talking about?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. Look inward, Grashopper...
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jan 2020

Clearly, I'm talking about Sirota's recent nastiness toward Biden. There are threads about it right here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ArtTownsend

(439 posts)
4. I'm not a candidate, nor am I affiliated with a campaign.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jan 2020

And politics is a blood sport. Always had been.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Sirota. He's associated with the person whose picture
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:07 PM
Jan 2020

is at the bottom of your posts. Check the threads in this forum. Primary campaigns should not be a blood sport, quite frankly. We're all on the same side, you see.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ArtTownsend

(439 posts)
6. I edited my post. And I support Sanders, not Sirota.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jan 2020

Though I could be persuaded to support another candidate. I like Warren and Klobuchar, for example.

I will vote for the Democratic presidential nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. So, you don't think Sirota's actions affect Sanders' campaign?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jan 2020

I think they do, and negatively. I haven't heard Sanders criticize Sirota's tactics, either.

We will all vote for the Democratic nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ArtTownsend

(439 posts)
8. I'm disturbed by Sirota's actions but they don't affect my support for Sanders's policy views.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jan 2020

I agree, Sanders should fire him or at least, discipline him. Not sure that will happen, unfortunately.

Yes, we will all support the eventual nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
13. Then how about Sanders' ethical views?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jan 2020

How do you feel about those? Wouldn't an ethical person have something to say if a major staff person did something unethical? I think so. Perhaps I've missed Senator Sanders' statement on the matter. Please let me know if that's the case.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
11. Sirota works for Sanders so Sanders is responsible for what he says and does.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:25 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
9. A deceptively edited video of Joe Biden signals what's coming
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jan 2020



A video that was edited in a monumentally dishonest fashion to make Joe Biden sound racist just circulated all over Twitter. Distressingly, some reporters and people with large Twitter followings tweeted out the video, before others drew their attention to the full context, causing them to backtrack
.
It is simply incredible that anyone in the business of informing people would circulate a video like this before verifying the full context. Have we really learned nothing in the past few years? One hopes this episode will be taken as a cautionary tale of what’s coming.

The video in question, which your humble blogger will not link to, shows only 19 seconds of a 13-minute monologue that Biden delivered in New Hampshire. Biden had been asked by an audience member to speak about his work and his agenda on sexual assault and domestic violence....

One of the original purveyors of this disinformation (again, we won’t link) is still pretending this was an honest depiction, and is accusing those who supplied the corrective context of being the “real” purveyors of disinformation. Take this as a glimpse of what’s coming.....

All this is a sign of what the Democratic nominee could face. It’s no wonder that some Democrats are worried we might even see “deepfake” media manipulations. Imagine such ultra-sophisticated video distortions of Biden’s rambles, retweeted by Trump, and perhaps even by reporters.

Trump views disinformation not as a scourge to be combated in the name of protecting our democracy, but as an ally. In this particular case, Trump has not retweeted the video of Biden — yet. But let’s try to learn from this.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
10. Exactly. And nothing has been said about that scurrilous edit, either,
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:23 PM
Jan 2020

by the principal whose minion released the edited video.

When candidates' campaigns from the same party resort to this sort of unethical behavior, it bodes poorly for the rest of the primary campaign.

Whoever hired the person who released this should fire the perpetrator forthwith, I think. Will that happen. Well, likely not.

Sirota is not a good or ethical person, it seems.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
12. Information is the best defense
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:25 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
14. Agreed 100%. It's not like we haven't seen this tactic before from the very same
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jan 2020

perp. Enough is enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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