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highplainsdem

(49,005 posts) Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:35 PM Jan 2020

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Does anyone here really believe that outraising and outspending necessarily equate with winning?

https://www.npr.org/2016/04/29/476047822/sanders-campaign-has-spent-50-percent-more-than-clinton-in-2016

I pointed out in another OP that Biden was greatly outspent by both Sanders and Warren -- Sanders especially -- last year, but he's still the front-runner.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287404330

I'm posting the link to the NPR article above in case anyone wrongly believes that somehow Biden's leading in all the polls, despite not leading in fundraising, is some sort of fluke, unique to this race.

It isn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Does anyone here really believe that outraising and outspending necessarily equate with winning? (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2020 OP

As we've seen in the past, there is no correlation. George II Jan 2020 #1

It's wishful thinking. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #2

I don't. Polly Hennessey Jan 2020 #3

John Connally, former governor of Texas, ran for the GOP Presidential nomination in 1980. left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #4

False hope. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #5

Only when they are behind LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #6

It's hard to win without having a deep war chest bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #7

Raising the most money does not necessarily equate to Victory ritapria Jan 2020 #8

Biden is behind in Iowa and New Hampshire . Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #9

... highplainsdem Jan 2020 #10

. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #11

No he isn't... Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #13

. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #16

Biden takes 32 pt lead over Sanders. Still think sanders will win? Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #17

A poll from May? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #18

Big money candidates are not going to buy our election. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #12

It matters to an extent. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #14

IMO we don't know who the frontrunner is until the first votes are cast. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #15

Jeb Bush, where is he now Green Line Jan 2020 #19

No....And we don't know where the money comes from either. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #20

Keep in mind we went the anti Bernie route in 2016... Joe941 Jan 2020 #21

George II

(67,782 posts)

1. As we've seen in the past, there is no correlation.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:37 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)

2. It's wishful thinking.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:37 PM

Jan 2020

They'd like to believe that it means that there's some hidden support somewhere, but there's really no evidence to support that assertion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Polly Hennessey

(6,799 posts)

3. I don't.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:38 PM

Jan 2020

This time there is something besides money at play.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)

4. John Connally, former governor of Texas, ran for the GOP Presidential nomination in 1980.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:42 PM

Jan 2020

After spending $11 million during the campaign (things were cheaper back then),
Connally secured the support of only a single delegate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Connally#Presidential_run

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)

5. False hope.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:43 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)

6. Only when they are behind

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:47 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)

7. It's hard to win without having a deep war chest

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:47 PM

Jan 2020

But having a deep warchest doesn’t guarantee you success.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ritapria

(1,812 posts)

8. Raising the most money does not necessarily equate to Victory

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:50 PM

Jan 2020

I'd still rather raise more money than less money ….Why are the donor class putting so much money on Mayor Pete and pulling back on Joe Biden ? ….. Biden is the clear frontrunner ...It makes no sense ..The oligarchs always want to curry favor with the likely winner .. The q4 Bernie fundraising demonstrates incredible enthusiasm on the part of his supporters ...He is going to outperform his polling support …. By about 3% in primaries/national polling and 5% in high turnout caucuses like the one taking place in Iowa ….His base is fired up like Hell ...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)

9. Biden is behind in Iowa and New Hampshire .

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:54 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,005 posts)

10. ...

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:01 PM

Jan 2020

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287400195

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)

11. .

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:10 PM

Jan 2020

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)

13. No he isn't...

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:18 PM

Jan 2020

Sanders isn’t going to be the nominee anyway...here’s the latest EC map that reflects delegates

2020 Electoral map based on RCP average Polls:

Biden 322
Trump 166
Tossups 50

Sanders 265
Trump 257
Tossups 16

Trump 257
Warren 251
Tossups 30

Here’s the latest on the 4 early states
#NEW IA, NH, NV and SC @MorningConsult Poll:
Biden 33% (+4 Since pre debate)
Sanders 17% (-7)
Warren 13% (-2)
Buttigieg 11% (+2)
Steyer 10% (-)
Booker 4% (+1)
Klobuchar 3% (+2)
Yang 3% (-1)
Bloomberg 2%
Gabbard 2% (+1)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)

16. .

Reply to Thekaspervote (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:27 PM

Jan 2020

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)

17. Biden takes 32 pt lead over Sanders. Still think sanders will win?

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:32 PM

Jan 2020

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/442310-joe-biden

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)

18. A poll from May?

Reply to Thekaspervote (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:37 PM

Jan 2020

I don’t think that shrunken “lead” is telling the story you intend.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)

12. Big money candidates are not going to buy our election.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:11 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)

14. It matters to an extent.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:22 PM

Jan 2020

For someone like Buttigieg it’s huge and can get him in the game. For someone like Sanders, it’s got to sting. He is the big money candidate and it appears he can’t seek the deal. I put Warren in a similar category as Buttigieg. Watch for Warren to go for a run at Sanders supporters more directly five days to a week before the first vote. With Biden it’s a statement of character and trust.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

15. IMO we don't know who the frontrunner is until the first votes are cast.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:24 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Green Line

(1,123 posts)

19. Jeb Bush, where is he now

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:15 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)

20. No....And we don't know where the money comes from either.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:22 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Joe941

(2,848 posts)

21. Keep in mind we went the anti Bernie route in 2016...

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:30 PM

Jan 2020

And that didnt end very well. Let's not repeat history.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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