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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:25 AM Jan 2020

Bloomberg rises to third place alongside Warren in national poll

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg saw a 6-point bump in the latest Hill-HarrisX survey of the Democratic presidential primary.



The nationwide poll, which was released Friday, shows Bloomberg up from 5 percent to 11 percent support for the nomination nationally. The former New York City mayor is now in a dead heat for third place with top-tier candidate, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who also received 11 percent support.

Biden, meanwhile, continues to lead the Democratic field with 28 percent followed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) at 16 percent.
Former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg saw another slight dip, after slipping 4 percentage points in mid-December. In the latest survey, he now has 6 percent support, down from 5 percent from the Dec. 13-14 poll.

Bloomberg’s rise in the latest Hill-HarrisX survey comes in spite of his late entry into the 2020 race and the fact that he hasn’t appeared in any of the Democratic primary debates.

Bloomberg has chosen an unorthodox campaign strategy, making the decision not to raise money and instead deciding to fund his own campaign. This has disqualified him from taking the debate stage under rules from the Democratic National Convention.
Under DNC rules, candidates must reach certain polling and fundraising thresholds.

However, prior to announcing his bid in November, Bloomberg launched an ad buy totaling roughly $19.4 million over 90 local markets across the country. After making his campaign official, he also rolled out a 60-second spot as part of his $31.5 million media blitz.
Bloomberg's multimillion-dollar ad expenditure has made him a prime target for his fellow rivals.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/476689-bloomberg-rises-to-third-place-alongside-warren-in-national-poll

Hey, I TOLD you all that Michael Bloomberg was going to buy his way into being our 2020 Democratic Nominee.



Yes, I am a political genius, thank you very much.

Side Note: Air continues to escape from the Mayor Pete Buttigieg campaign as he drops further down in the polls. Seems Senator Amy Klobuchar's criticism of him lacking experience from the last debate has left a mark. Yes, I realize other candidates have dropped also, but Mayor Pete is now essentially a third tier candidate, trailing Front runner Biden and second tier candidates Sanders, Warren, and (in this poll at least) Bloomberg.

This poll aside, all three poll trackers show this trend:


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/

https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html



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primary today, I would vote for:
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Bloomberg rises to third place alongside Warren in national poll (Original Post) bluewater Jan 2020 OP
No comments yet? lol bluewater Jan 2020 #1
Mark Penn strikes again! crazytown Jan 2020 #22
Poll fatigue, perhaps Clash City Rocker Jan 2020 #26
ikr bluewater Jan 2020 #27
Bloomberg is hitting everyone with some great commercials..I will give him that Peacetrain Jan 2020 #2
Two words... brokered... convention. bluewater Jan 2020 #3
It there is a clear winner...there will be no brokered convention...I doubt Bloomberg is at 10 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #4
The OP has been pushing the brokered convention fantasy for a while now BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #13
Reality is harsh, Bloomberg makes a brokered convention very likely. bluewater Jan 2020 #14
"Facts are what facts are." BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #15
Yep, The facts are what the Facts are. lol bluewater Jan 2020 #16
LOL BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #17
LOL bluewater Jan 2020 #18
Bloomie is a turd in the punchbowl The Mouth Jan 2020 #20
They want their candidate to win...course we would lose the general if Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #19
Bloomberg is spending millions of dollars to attack Trump and state by state GOP members wiley Jan 2020 #10
What this really shows is that Biden will be the nominee. Not hard to see. PubliusEnigma Jan 2020 #5
Democratic Primaries are not Winner Take All. bluewater Jan 2020 #7
Democratic Primaries favor actual Democrats. PubliusEnigma Jan 2020 #25
Call me crazy dsc Jan 2020 #6
Yeah, I saw that too. bluewater Jan 2020 #8
The Hill needs an editor karynnj Jan 2020 #9
They lose credibility with me by the b.s. "Bernie" MH1 Jan 2020 #11
good catch. bluewater Jan 2020 #12
Meh. boomer_wv Jan 2020 #21
HarrisX! Mark Penn and Scott Rasmussen!! crazytown Jan 2020 #23
.. bluewater Jan 2020 #24
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
1. No comments yet? lol
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jan 2020

Is everyone stunned or just cleaning up the spill after dropping their coffee cups.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
22. Mark Penn strikes again!
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jan 2020

You know Bluewater, you are really an asshole How dare you challenge the smugly complacent with some dazzling Mark Penn / Scot Rasmussen magic? With Bloomberg way up, and Warren way down, private equity could do worse than head back down to their wine caves to pick out some rare bubbly for a "special occasion". the polls are what the polls are © Bluewater 2019 ... coming soon to a brokered convention near you!

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Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
26. Poll fatigue, perhaps
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:54 AM
Jan 2020

A new election poll is posted here on almost a daily basis, and they often disagree wildly. It’s hard to take them seriously at this point.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
27. ikr
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jan 2020

That was sorta the point of posting this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
2. Bloomberg is hitting everyone with some great commercials..I will give him that
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020

Extended family in Minnesota is seeing a lot of Bloomberg and Steyer.. and he really is that case of name recognition. Does not have a chance in hell.. I believe that to my core. He could really make a difference with that money he is throwing around getting a Democratic congress elected.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
3. Two words... brokered... convention.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jan 2020

Biden, Sanders, Warren and Bloomberg all have the money to stay in the race to the very end and all four are capable of meeting the 15% threshold to be assigned delegates.

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
4. It there is a clear winner...there will be no brokered convention...I doubt Bloomberg is at 10
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jan 2020

This is an outlier...there will be a clear winner...and consider that we must remove Trump ...a brokered convention would lead to a loss...it always does...so it is not something to strive for and once the front runner / nominee is clear...only Sanders will stay in... and he will achieve nothing this time.

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BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
13. The OP has been pushing the brokered convention fantasy for a while now
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jan 2020

I’m not sure why anyone here would root for something that would be highly divisive and all but guarantee Dump 4 more years.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
14. Reality is harsh, Bloomberg makes a brokered convention very likely.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 01:35 PM
Jan 2020

Facts are what the facts are.

Biden? Front runner and in it to the end.

Sanders? Super strong base, tons of money, in it to the end.

Warren? Only woman left standing, good fundraising, in it to the end.

Bloomberg? lol BILLIONAIRE saturating the Super Tuesday states with very good pro-Democratic adds, in it to the end.

So, don't shoot the messenger.

With 4 such very strong campaigns, it is VERY likely that no single candidate will get a majority of delegates on the first ballot.

Pointing this out isn't "rooting" for anything, it's just being honest and facing reality.




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BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
15. "Facts are what facts are."
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jan 2020

Is that the sequel to the “polls are what the polls are”



I guess we all have our dreams. I’m afraid yours, a brokered convention with Sanders or Warren emerging as the nominee is not going to come true. But keep on keeping on.


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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
16. Yep, The facts are what the Facts are. lol
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 01:51 PM
Jan 2020

Ignore the reality that we are headed to a brokered convention if you choose.

Because THE POLLS ARE WHAT THE POLLS ARE, and those polls don't show any candidate managing to get 50% of the delegates by the convention.

Why? Simply because our Democratic primaries are not winner take all.

Who will be the nominee out of a brokered convention? I have no idea at this point, but looking at his very excellent pro-Democratic adds, I can see super delegates getting behind Michael Bloomberg when push comes to shove. Warren or Sanders would have to outperform expectations to overcome that.

In any case, it seems some people rather stick their heads in the sand then face the political reality.

Oh well, to each their own.

But the proof is in the pudding once voting starts.







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BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
17. LOL
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jan 2020

So now those who don’t share your dream of a brokered convention are “sticking their heads in the sand”

Or, maybe they just don’t think it’ll happen? Is there room for that in your analysis?

Oh well have fun. But it won’t be as much as I’m going to have when the BC doesn’t happen.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
18. LOL
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jan 2020

"I guess we all have our dreams. I’m afraid yours, a brokered convention with Sanders or Warren emerging as the nominee is not going to come true. But keep on keeping on. "

Well, thanks for sharing YOUR analysis too. And for making it so personal towards me. lol

But didn't I just point out Michael Bloomberg would probably garner the super delegate support in a brokered convention?

Why, yes, I did.

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The Mouth

(3,150 posts)
20. Bloomie is a turd in the punchbowl
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:26 PM
Jan 2020

Just what we need, another 1972, thanks to that stupid rat bastard.

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
19. They want their candidate to win...course we would lose the general if
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jan 2020

we had such a thing...good that we won't.

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wiley

(2,921 posts)
10. Bloomberg is spending millions of dollars to attack Trump and state by state GOP members
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jan 2020

We should be wildly celebrating that fact. Wait until you see his next commercial.

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PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
5. What this really shows is that Biden will be the nominee. Not hard to see.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:18 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
7. Democratic Primaries are not Winner Take All.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jan 2020

The Republican primaries were winner take all, so Trump managed to sleaze his way in despite polling well below 50%.

In our Democratic primaries, delegates will be divided up between candidates getting at least 15% on a district by district basis, so a candidate does not even have to have 15% support state-wide to get some delegates.

Bloomberg's entry and rise in the primaries almost guarantees a brokered convention.



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PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
25. Democratic Primaries favor actual Democrats.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020
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dsc

(52,162 posts)
6. Call me crazy
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jan 2020

But i thought 6 was bigger than 5

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
8. Yeah, I saw that too.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:30 PM
Jan 2020

But I posted the article as is.



In any case, Mayor Pete's descent to the third tier of candidates is shown in many other polls, just take a look at the 538 and The Economists and RCP POLLS to see this trend:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/

https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html


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karynnj

(59,504 posts)
9. The Hill needs an editor
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:32 PM
Jan 2020

In the latest survey, he now has 6 percent support, down from 5 percent from the Dec. 13-14 poll.

Now, I realize that the unexpected high for Bloomberg is justifiably the big story, that sentence is mind boggling. (I clicked on their older story that they had a link for - he really was at 5% - so it's not a typo where he had been at, say, 7%. As to Bloomberg, his numbers have not been near that level anywhere else - though there were very few polls recently. It will be interesting to see when they come in.

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MH1

(17,600 posts)
11. They lose credibility with me by the b.s. "Bernie"
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 01:14 PM
Jan 2020

when everyone else is listed by last name.

What, they think their readership is too stupid to know who "Sanders" is?

Yeah call me a nitpicker but it's bullshit to be inconsistent like that. Sanders is not special. He is a politician just like all of them.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
12. good catch.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 01:20 PM
Jan 2020

I didn't notice that.

I guess that shows the power of branding.

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boomer_wv

(673 posts)
21. Meh.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:40 PM
Jan 2020

I'll believe it when I see it across more polls. Right now it's just an outlier result for him.

I'm interested to see some recent Iowa and NH polls though to see how much Pete has slid in those. I expect it to be a lot given his corresponding slide in national polls.

I actually expect that you're going to see Biden leading in some of those upcoming state polls.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
23. HarrisX! Mark Penn and Scott Rasmussen!!
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:49 PM
Jan 2020

C'mon Biden guys and gals - you know you love them. Remember that Biden +20 poll when Warren was leading on the RCP average? What a party that was!

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