Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 02:40 PM Jan 2020

Nate Silver: Biden has been *leading the whole campaign* and rarely been covered like it.

Twitter thread from Nate this morning, with the quote in the thread title in the third tweet. Thread starts here, full text below:







Biden and Bernie have each gained ~2 points over the past month, which ain't nothing, but also isn't that much. And their current standing is pretty consistent with where they've been on average throughout the campaign…


…so the notion that Biden and/or Bernie are now making comebacks, which has become a common motif in campaign coverage, is semi-dubious. A big part of the story is they were somewhat ignored while the media chased shinier objects (e.g. Warren, Buttigieg, Harris, Bloomberg).


Trying not to make this too hindsight-is-20/20. There were reasons to be bullish on Harris. Warren and Buttigieg still have decent chances. The fluctuations in polls aren't super predictable. But Biden has been *leading the whole campaign* and rarely been covered like it.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
45 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Nate Silver: Biden has been *leading the whole campaign* and rarely been covered like it. (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2020 OP
And yet we don't see any Biden supporters whining about some mythical "Biden Blackout"..... George II Jan 2020 #1
I suppose it could be PatSeg Jan 2020 #6
His base, of which I am one, LakeArenal Jan 2020 #7
The support I'm seeing PatSeg Jan 2020 #11
I am a big Biden fan, yet until this year knew few specifics about his VP accomplishments and just emmaverybo Jan 2020 #10
I think most people are unaware PatSeg Jan 2020 #12
His humility is affecting. He was willing to publicly stay background during Obama's tenure emmaverybo Jan 2020 #14
Yes PatSeg Jan 2020 #25
Maybe because there hasn't been any blackout for Biden!! Doitnow Jan 2020 #17
There hasn't been any blackout for anyone. Some candidates whine about their coverage, some don't LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #21
This Hekate Jan 2020 #23
You do know DownriverDem Jan 2020 #19
K&R Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #2
Thanks for the post, and thanks to Nate for the first level-headed article I've seen in a long time. beastie boy Jan 2020 #3
Me too!! EW and bernie exchange 1-2 pts and they're the "ascendant" candidate Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #5
This is why I'm resigned (in kind of a good way) to Biden being the nominee ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #4
How about DownriverDem Jan 2020 #20
I Think Biden/Kobuchar is the More Likely Ticket n/t Indykatie Jan 2020 #24
No. Biden will choose a woman of color. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #27
Me too. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #33
And Sanders has basically stayed level. MH1 Jan 2020 #8
Nate is correct Gothmog Jan 2020 #9
Glad that everyone not as dismissive of this extremely accomplished and inspiring man (read emmaverybo Jan 2020 #13
No one has voted yet and whoever is leading rainy Jan 2020 #30
Yeah right! SCVDem Jan 2020 #37
LOL!! peggysue2 Jan 2020 #15
So true ... Biden almost never gets positive coverage nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #16
We go high! SCVDem Jan 2020 #38
Biden's campaign SCVDem Jan 2020 #18
Amen to that!! We've seen this several times this primary season Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #31
If CNN and MSNBC covered Biden like they did Donnie Short Fingers maxrandb Jan 2020 #22
They don't cover any Democratic rainy Jan 2020 #26
Biden's wonderful speech in which he sounded themes other candidates are now picking up on emmaverybo Jan 2020 #28
We need Joe..calm, steady, critical thinker Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #32
I'm not sure I know what... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #29
I'm highly enthusiastic about having Joe Biden as our nominee The Valley Below Jan 2020 #34
Count me in. I am soooooooo enthusiastic. A President Biden would be for me a dream come true emmaverybo Jan 2020 #35
Imagine the global sigh of relief. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #36
Honestly can. "Global sigh of relief" excellent! emmaverybo Jan 2020 #41
Nothing against HRC SCVDem Jan 2020 #39
I think that sort of happened to Trump in 2016 David__77 Jan 2020 #40
K&R Tarheel_Dem Jan 2020 #42
Silver reports the obvious, which includes his own contemptible spins. Hortensis Jan 2020 #43
I agree with Nate Gothmog Jan 2020 #44
KR! Cha Jan 2020 #45
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. And yet we don't see any Biden supporters whining about some mythical "Biden Blackout".....
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jan 2020

It is what it is. Biden supporters can accept the ebb and flow of media coverage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
6. I suppose it could be
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 03:17 PM
Jan 2020

because we've seen it before. Biden frequently has been ignored or dismissed by the mainstream media. Also his many accomplishments as Vice President have gotten little public notice. And yet, he does not give up and his supporters remain loyal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
7. His base, of which I am one,
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

Is solid. We are not budging no matter what at this point.

If money starts sliding, we will send more in. If dumb ancient or over-blown scandal comes in, we’ll step up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
11. The support I'm seeing
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jan 2020

is overwhelming and long overdue. I am so happy for him, he has earned this support and admiration.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
10. I am a big Biden fan, yet until this year knew few specifics about his VP accomplishments and just
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 03:40 PM
Jan 2020

how powerful a VP he was.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
12. I think most people are unaware
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:01 PM
Jan 2020

of those accomplishments. He is a real class act and is much more humble than most people realize.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
14. His humility is affecting. He was willing to publicly stay background during Obama's tenure
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jan 2020

although he had insisted in taking the job on that he have a great deal of access to the president and be in on the important day to days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
25. Yes
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:31 PM
Jan 2020

He was a very involved vice president. It was a rather unique relationship. Meanwhile, Obama was in the limelight most of the time and his VP got so little credit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
17. Maybe because there hasn't been any blackout for Biden!!
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:41 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
21. There hasn't been any blackout for anyone. Some candidates whine about their coverage, some don't
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 05:25 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
19. You do know
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 05:13 PM
Jan 2020

that Biden is the one that can win enough states to beat trump, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(9,375 posts)
3. Thanks for the post, and thanks to Nate for the first level-headed article I've seen in a long time.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jan 2020

I am so damn tired of all the sensational "surging" and "tanking" headlines circulating all over the media!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
5. Me too!! EW and bernie exchange 1-2 pts and they're the "ascendant" candidate
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 02:54 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
4. This is why I'm resigned (in kind of a good way) to Biden being the nominee
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jan 2020

Yeah he’s another older, white male, out of generations of older white men, but I’m not going to be upset when he gets the nomination.

I like Amy Klobuchar as well, liked Julian Castro, loved Kamala Harris. But, I am ok with Biden. I always saw him as the most likely nominee-from a purely practical stance-and nothing on the horizon seems to be changing that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
20. How about
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 05:14 PM
Jan 2020

Biden/Harris or Biden/Abrams?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
24. I Think Biden/Kobuchar is the More Likely Ticket n/t
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
27. No. Biden will choose a woman of color.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:41 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
33. Me too.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:05 PM
Jan 2020

She'd help secure the win.

She'd be the best person to help move legislation through the Senate (post-victory).

And she seem like the the best partner for Biden to trust with big projects.

Those are the essential elements of Biden's VP choice. Amy ticks all the boxes in my estimation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MH1

(17,600 posts)
8. And Sanders has basically stayed level.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jan 2020

Despite some noise out there trying to claim otherwise.

I don't see how Sanders increases his share by much; if Biden crashes for some reason, few of his supporters will go to Sanders.

If Sanders were a decent human being with any perspective, he would stop f*cking around and support the person best to carry his message forward (probably Warren). Then together they might have a chance for those ideas to make it to the White House.

n.b.: I supported Sanders in the 2016 primary after O'Malley was out (I was ABH b/c the RW had 30 ys of smearing Hillary). Supported HC in the GE of course, and will again support the nominee whoever it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
9. Nate is correct
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jan 2020

The press has been trying to make this into a close contests and horse race. Joe is the leader and has not been covered as a leader

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
13. Glad that everyone not as dismissive of this extremely accomplished and inspiring man (read
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jan 2020

his books) as the press. Biden has a solid following and I dare say the widest appeal across the political spectrum and demographic groups of any candidate. His AA support alone should be important to liberals and not as a matter of mere expedience to the party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rainy

(6,092 posts)
30. No one has voted yet and whoever is leading
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jan 2020

in polls now can and usually does change as history has shown. No Democrat is being fairly covered.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
37. Yeah right!
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:30 PM
Jan 2020

The character assassination has just started.

Make up some good shit!

On edit: Dump didn't ask Ukraine to mess with anyone else except V.P. Joe Biden.

Ask yourself WHY?


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,831 posts)
15. LOL!!
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020
But Biden has been *leading the whole campaign* and rarely been covered like it.

Ya think???

How many obituaries have we read? How many times have we been told the numbers are all about name recognition? How many predictions have captured headlines, all shouting out Biden's certain demise?

Could things change? Of course.

However, the endless excuses and/or dismissal of the voter preferences, electability expectations and the basic issue of trust have not changed the polling, numbers (that Silver clearly points out) have indicated a consistent, durable Biden lead.

Nice to see an admission of the obvious. Strip away all the noise and the numbers remain. Stable, steady.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
16. So true ... Biden almost never gets positive coverage nt
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:37 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
38. We go high!
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:38 PM
Jan 2020

No sniveling or whining!

We leave that to the orange ass! What a fucking disgrace.

The sooner he is removed the faster we can rebuild our foreign policy!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
18. Biden's campaign
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jan 2020

Isn't flinging poo as the other attack candidates are choosing to do.
Always the high road!

The others would be well advised not to sling shit!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
31. Amen to that!! We've seen this several times this primary season
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:38 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
22. If CNN and MSNBC covered Biden like they did Donnie Short Fingers
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jan 2020

They'd be showing empty podiums with a Biden 2020 sign for hours as we sheeple listened to the pundits breathlessly prognosticate about what he might say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rainy

(6,092 posts)
26. They don't cover any Democratic
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020

candidates until it’s negative. Then they cover them. Have yet to see an amazing speech by a Democrat being covered and discussed!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
28. Biden's wonderful speech in which he sounded themes other candidates are now picking up on
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:48 PM
Jan 2020

was covered and well-praised. It was stirring! It was inspired!

Snip————————————

Joe Biden reminded all of us of what a presidential president would sound like

In a fiery and blunt speech slamming the tenor, tone and words of President Trump as the nation reels from white nationalist domestic terrorism, former vice president Joe Biden reminded all of us of what a presidential president sounds like. His words were stirring. His delivery was passionate. And they were befitting a man who kicked off his campaign with a video decrying Trump’s shameful response to Charlottesville.
This is no knock on the other Democratic presidential candidates, particularly Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), who gave his own speech on Wednesday at the historic Mother Emanuel church in Charleston, S.C., where a white supremacist murdered nine African American parishoners in 2015. All of the candidates have a moral core and fundamental senses of decency and empathy that Trump never
possessed. Yet, unlike teleprompter Trump’s hollow remarks about the carnage in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, Biden came at his speech in Iowa with an authority that is hard to match.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/07/joe-biden-reminded-all-us-what-presidential-president-would-sound-like/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
32. We need Joe..calm, steady, critical thinker
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:40 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
29. I'm not sure I know what...
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jan 2020

... being covered like the front-runner means. I would have said he is most often covered as the front-runner! The media do, however like close races and will often jump on a surge... saw that with attention given to Harris, Warren, Pete... now, Bernie is getting that "second look" attention coverage. Biden does well, I think - steady acknowledgment as the national front-runner.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
34. I'm highly enthusiastic about having Joe Biden as our nominee
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:07 PM
Jan 2020

and our next president.

I'm all in and with total enthusiasm!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
35. Count me in. I am soooooooo enthusiastic. A President Biden would be for me a dream come true
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:11 PM
Jan 2020

and I think for the nation and the world.

l

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
36. Imagine the global sigh of relief.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jan 2020

Can you feel it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
41. Honestly can. "Global sigh of relief" excellent!
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:07 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
39. Nothing against HRC
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jan 2020

Biden did not contest in 2016 due to the death of his son.

Anybody have a problem with that?

Healing over, Let's rock!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

David__77

(23,421 posts)
40. I think that sort of happened to Trump in 2016
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Silver reports the obvious, which includes his own contemptible spins.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jan 2020

This is an example from last August:

"If you’ve been following our coverage of the Democratic primary, you’ll know that I don’t think much of media really understands Joe Biden’s popularity among Democrats. That doesn’t mean that Biden is destined to win the primary. In fact, I’d regard him as an underdog relative to the field..."

An underdog.

And to support his own Biden-as-underdog trash theme, he starts out with pseudo-analytic spin dotted with phrases like "rebounds," "expected demise," "disconnect" between rosy polls and reality. And then takes that to Iowa, using polls there to support his theme of a national underdog. He protects his reputation by putting more honest discussion lower or wrapping it around with spin. It's not all garbage, more like a briefcase accidentally thrown into a dumpster and spilling open with papers flying all over.

This is how he ends, btw. Headlines and then beginnings and endings takeaways are the best places to quickly discern bias. And the plentiful slurs he includes but carefully attributes to others are just slurs in articles like this.

"Biden may already be trailing in Iowa, in fact. ... Still, the story is a lot more complicated than a cliched narrative about voters choosing heart (Warren/Sanders) over head (Biden), or voting for Biden only through gritted teeth. ...

So, the candidate who always to that point defined "first tier," with no one else coming close, even briefly, portrayed as a loser underdog who just hasn't started showing it yet. Except to experts like him. And more of same sort of thing every month since.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Democratic Primaries»Nate Silver: Biden has be...