Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders: I'll fight for farmers against powerful agribusiness
This past month, hardworking farmers in Iowa saw historic floods kill livestock and topple grain silos in an instant, losing their livelihoods and their way of life. It was just the latest blow to rural communities that have seen farmers incomes cut in half, hospitals shut down, school districts consolidated, drinking wells tainted and downtowns decimated by layoffs.
But, despite what the pundits might say, this was not inevitable and its completely unacceptable.
Whether its in Iowa, my home state of Vermont or anywhere else, the crisis in Americas small towns and rural communities is the result of deliberate policy choices by a political class that neglects rural America, rather than investing in it.
In the end, the desperation felt by families in rural communities is about basic economic rights and freedom. Farmers have been systematically stripped of their ability to control their own futures and no longer know whether their hard work will earn them future success and stability. Storefronts are empty and farmers have been forced to sell their land that has been kept in families for generations to massive corporations.
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https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/caucus/2019/03/28/bernie-sanders-president-2020-caucus-agribusiness-factory-farming-rural-america-iowa-flood-trump-ceo/3297096002/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)announced several days ago with a slogan? Where are the details of Bernie's plan?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128740394
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)I guess they'd rather this shameful attempt to steal credit, which women in all parts of working life know all too well, falls off the first page - the theft was too obvious after Senator Warren's roll out of her policy. No woman's policy/suggestion/remark is worthy of notice until it's been said by a man, after all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I'm sure it's in the works.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I wonder why.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)As he creeps up on a certain person in polls, my guess is it won't be long.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Unless he runs to be a representative or senator, this is the best he can hope for.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) does slogans.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)1986
Bernie Sanders for Governor Press Conference re: Vermont Agriculture and Family Farms
1998
Bernie Sanders: Monsanto and Family Farms
2006
Bernie Sanders political ad featuring Willie Nelson
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Makes sense he would be especially pro farmer in a farming state.
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
murielm99
(30,741 posts)The guy who farms it for us was my husband's college roommate. He is getting older, but he still wants to farm.
We just received a letter from him. He received some insurance money because of the flooding. The mud is so deep there that the crop will not go in for about another three weeks.
I asked my husband what BS had done for the farmers in Iowa. He laughed. Our partner/employee will get back to us about how Bernie saved us. The dear man is so diplomatic.
And I read the article in the link. BS says, several times, "When we are in the White House..." Who is this "We?"
If anyone saved us, it was the renewable energy industry. We have an access road and a wind turbine on our property. They pay us for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)that Bernie is just another politician ... no better nor worse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)He has been one of 435 members of Congress and one of 100 Senators.
Bernie spells out clearly in the Des Moines Register what he perceives to be the fundamental problems facing rural communities, small and mid size family farms and the policy solutions he would champion as President if elected.
"We" being the people of the United States, particularly those most damaged by decades of runaway capitalism and oligarchy aka; the vast majority of the American People, indeed the nation as whole, should Bernie's broad based policies become law, our dog eat dog society would be greatly diminished for it.
Bernie is also a champion of renewable energy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Other politicians have not waited to become President to work on such problems.
My take?
Not every place should be "saved". The country's history is replete with towns that have vanished, to never be seen again. One of the realities of business is that high volume producers wipe out small players, unless the small players come up with unique ideas. Farming, the food industry in general, is an area where "novel" ideas are few. A person in Florida buying an ear of corn thinks first about how much it costs (unless other conditions like 100% organic are more important). BigAg can produce the ear of corn for maybe $.02, a small farmer will produce it for more money. The Florida shopper buys the BigAg corn unless there is something about the small farmer's corn that is appealing, and then only if the Florida shopper's budget allows for purchase of the more expensive corn.
Bernie is like any other politician. He is making promises to save something that is likely beyond saving. The likely outcome is money being spent that is better spent somewhere else. But there is nothing special or bad about him doing that, every politician does it to an extent.
The lady that mentioned a wind turbine on her farm is an example of how people need to adapt. By allowing the turbine on her property, she and her family get revenue that comes without them having to put up funds. Letting farmland go wild and letting natural berries, nuts and fruit once again grow there is another change that can bring in more minimal-effort revenue, believe it or not "wild source" products, including cold pressed oils from wild seeds, are a big thing among some consumers, they pay premium prices for the stuff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)but this another policy which Bernie champions that I believe would greatly help rural communities, not to mention the Industrial Heartland; or what's left of it.
Purdue Pharma, the maker of OxyContin, announced on Tuesday the settlement of a case brought by Oklahoma for $270 million.
The settlement prompted legal scholars to speculate that other defendants in some of the 35 state cases brought against the company might settle, The New York Times reported. Some 1,600 suits have been filed against Purdue Pharma, whose drug OxyContin is at the center of the opioid crisis that is killing an average 130 Americans a day.
The lawsuits against Purdue have brought increased scrutiny to its operations and the family behind it, the Sacklers, who have amassed a fortune of $13 billion, according to Bloomberg. The company is accused of pushing doctors to prescribe OxyContin while simultaneously promoting an effort that misled the public about the medication's addictive qualities.
The Sacklers have become a widely recognized name and drawn criticism from public figures like comedian Samantha Bee, who hosts Full Frontal With Samantha Bee, and Bernie Sanders. The Vermont senator tweeted a video from Bee on Wednesday, writing, "The Sackler family has made billions of dollars selling opioids. Their greed, which is killing Americans, must end."
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https://www.newsweek.com/sacklers-opioid-crisis-13-billion-1376871
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128740580
Peace to you muriel.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Anytime Bernie speaks on sonething, it is brand new and vitally important, even if other politicians have been talking about those very same issues for years, and doing more than talk, like crafting policy at their current level to address the issues (as has been done for decades now).
Is it possible to get that power company to put more wind turbines on your land, or would incremental issues be too much for you to tolerate? You can offer them a deal, rent on each new turbine comes at 65% the rent on the original one. Sort of like having free money fall from the sky.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of grid attack our intelligence services are very worried about, most of Vermont's 126,000 milk cows would be in distress and on their way to agonizing deaths within the week. And with their deaths would go disappearance of our milk supply for years. NO way manpower could replace machines without electricity. Most people without babies or who didn't live within earshot of hundreds of dying cows would never know, of course, and no milk would be almost the least of their problems.
Hillary Clinton was well aware of our huge, existential vulnerability to taking down all or parts of our electrical grid and planned to have over half a million solar cells on America's roofs before her first term was over as part of restructuring our system for military sustainability, as well as, of course, to battle global warming and secure the affordable and sustainable energy we must have.
You guys who laud Sanders here, ask HIM what HIS plan for saving America's 9 million cows is.
Surely HE Sanders has one, even though he is on no ag committees and has sponsored no ag bills. Ever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The best thing those farmers can do is form a collective, to try to "grow" big enough to compete with the big players. Or they figure out how to offer unique products to a subset of consumers. Failing those changes, they are as good as done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)sponsored ag legislation. That's public record.
Democrats are OF COURSE all pro farmers and pro a large, healthy, varied, affordable, and sustainable national food supply. That's who we are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)in 2016, like Trump, railing against the TPP.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/23/tpp-trans-pacific-partnership-bernie-sanders-john-mccain
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-trade-tpp-2016-2
Farmers have lost markets which may never be replaced after Trump withdrew from the agreement.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-trade-tpp-2016-2
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-trade-221506
https://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2016/jul/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-he-and-bernie-sanders-are-very-s/
He supported Trump on the use of tariffs.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-bernie-sanders-20161117-story.html
Sanders has demonstrated monumentally poor judgment. Now that the barn door is open, his position now ring hollow and he sounds like a johnny come lately. When actualized, this rhetoric has been harmful to farmers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The fact is that with ANY change, there are going to be winners and losers in the economy. For a growing nation that requires reasonably priced food, the losers are going to be small farmers, unless they offer unique products. I buy the butter and other items that I use in my home from a health food store that also do groceries on the side. A pound of butter cost around 2.5x what I would pay in a grocery store, a 12 pack of eggs cost even more, 3+x what I would pay in a grocery store, bread about 2x. I buy the products because I get a sense of how they were made and they simply tast better than the more commercial stuff. Farmers that supply nitch markets can survive, but because those markets are small, not all farmers can survive. That is just how things work and how they have worked since the country's founding.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)someone who could spend nearly 30 years in the seat of power as a +1 vote for people he imagined were corrupt and incompetent and see himself as a potential great leader held back by unworthy people.
His record shows he would almost certainly have voted his usual +1 along with his Democratic colleagues for the TPP -- if it hadn't coincided with Sen. Warren's leaving a vacuum in the 2016 field and if it hadn't been a big scare issue for the people whose votes he chose to go after. He chose not to lead them to understanding but to harness their fear.
So, while our soybeans sit unsold in silos and grain bins, or rot, the Amazon basin is being cleared to grow soybeans for the far east. What a mess.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)VOX
Booker calls on antitrust regulators to start paying attention to workers
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Elizabeth Warrens plan to make farming great again, explained
VOX
This push can have a great impact if we get the numbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)which due to increasingly predatory farm machinery manufacturers has become a huge problem for American farmers especially but for equipment purchasers in many other fields as well.
You guys who follows Sanders will presumably have heard him speak on this serious problem for America's farmers. For those who haven't, here:
The proposal focuses on farm equipment, but broader rules could have significant implications for Apple
https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/27/18284011/elizabeth-warren-apple-right-to-repair-john-deere-law-presidential-campaign-iowa
Of course, she would expand it to other industries. She is implacably opposed to predatory corporations and intends to break up our too-big-to-oppose monopolies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided