Dem conspiracy theorists on the left: Pelosi's delaying impeachment trial to hurt Sanders & Warren

[highplainsdem]

Seeing all too many of these tweets, as you'll see for yourself if you search Twitter for


pelosi sanders impeachment

or

pelosi warren impeachment


And now they're being encouraged in their conspiracy-mongering by Ari Fleischer:

Link to tweet

If you run across this idiotic paranoia anywhere you participate in social media, please do what you can to shut it down.

[still_one]

1. Ari Fleischer from the bush administration?

[highplainsdem]

4. He's trying to encourage division in the Democratic party caused by silly conspiracy theories.

[Voltaire2]

19. And you are helping him.

Go figure.

[highplainsdem]

23. LOL. Yeah, it's really helping him to ask DUers to shut this down if they see it.

[Cha]

31. NO, it's you saying that.. GO FIGURE. Kystal Ball already

Whined about this conspiracy Crap.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. NONSENSE

[Voltaire2]

2. Uh when did Ari become a lefty?

Just asking for a friend.

[highplainsdem]

3. Didn't say he's a lefty. He's encouraging conspiracy theories among leftwing Democrats.

[Voltaire2]

5. So your evidence for all these "lefties" with their

conspiracy theories is a tweet from rightwing idiot Ari?

Thanks. That was my friends take as well.

[highplainsdem]

6. No. My evidence, as reading the OP should have made clear, is that searching Twitter for

the keywords I listed will turn up tweets from Warren and Sanders supporters who think Pelosi is rigging the primary race against their candidates.

Do that Twitter search yourself. There are way too many such tweets for me to list.

[Voltaire2]

17. So Post the evidence.

Instead all you have done so far is to simply propagate rightwing bullshit from Ari Fleischer.

Better yet self delete.

[highplainsdem]

20. Do the Twitter search.

[Voltaire2]

21. Hey it's your claim it's on you to back it up.

So far all you’ve done is help Ari spread divisive bullshit.

[highplainsdem]

22. If you can't be bothered to do a search that would take a minute or two, it's on you.

I saw a thread with a lot of these tweets pop up when I was doing a search on Twitter for news and tweets about Biden. I did the keyword searches to see if there were more, before I posted about it here.

I hope it won't be news to you that there've been a lot of stories in the media mentioning that an impeachment trial in the weeks before Iowa votes will pull the candidates who are in the Senate off the trail at an important time.

The conspiracy theory is the reaction of some of their supporters to those stories.

If you don't think any of the supporters of Warren and Sanders consider Pelosi an opponent of the left wing of the Democratic Party, you haven't been paying attention to the news, or DU.

I'm not suggesting all their supporters are conspiracy theorists. But since I saw posts about this divisive paranoia, I wanted DUers to be aware that it's out there, that at least one Republican strategist is encouraging it, and so Democrats should shut it down if they see it in social media forums where they participate.

We had enough trouble with people accusing the Democratic establishment of rigging the election last time. And Republicans were happy then to encourage that divisive paranoia. This is just a new variation.

[melman]

25. Oh that's rich

You're saying they couldn't be bothered but meanwhile you couldn't be bothered to grab any of those alleged tweets..

...but somehow did manage to get this one from Ari fucking Fleischer.

[highplainsdem]

28. I posted Fleischer's because it was the only example I saw of a well-known Republican encouraging

that paranoia. But more are likely to do so, since Republicans encouraged conspiracy theories by some on the left four years ago.

Again, do the Twitter search using the keywords I suggested.

[melman]

29. Why should anyone else be required to search for things you claim to have seen?

You made the claim. You provide the proof. That's how it works.

[highplainsdem]

32. I showed people how to find those tweets for themselves, within seconds. More have been posted

since I posted the OP.

Like this one:

Link to tweet

Again, check for yourself.

Or don't.

I don't care.

[highplainsdem]

41. Interesting. That tweet was just deleted.

[Cha]

33. Krystal Ball..

Link to tweet

In a segment titled “The Progressive case against Ukrainegate”, Krystal Ball suggest Pelosi and Dems are impeaching Donald Trump to keep Bernie Sanders off the campaign trial.

Aaron Mate replies, “I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors.”

[highplainsdem]

34. Thanks, Cha! And since that's from late November, it shows how long the

conspiracy theory has been circulating, at least among some Sanders supporters.

Of course, when you get crazy opinion pieces in The Nation saying Warren and Sanders "have to tame Nancy Pelosi" -- showing how much some on the left of the party see her as an opponent -- it isn't surprising that silly conspiracy theories about her will also be hatched and set free to scurry like rhetorical cockroaches on social media.

[Cha]

37. My suggestion to the Krystal Ball CTs.. DON'T MESS

WITH PELOSI!

Thank you, hpd.. for shining a light on this CT Shite from the CTs!

[betsuni]

42. The Young Turks talked about it in December.

Cenk "I'm not saying this is why she's doing it" Ana "This is why she's doing it."

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

7. She's said she'll be sending articles to the Senate next week

So much for that conspiracy theory.

[highplainsdem]

14. The conspiracy theorists think she rigged the delay to take Warren and Sanders off

the campaign trail for crucial weeks before the Iowa caucus.

[Voltaire2]

18. Rightwing source.

[BeyondGeography]

8. Because Ari Fleischer said so?

[highplainsdem]

9. Try reading more carefully. And see reply 6.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Try writing more carefully

Your thread title is completely unsupported by your post.

[highplainsdem]

12. Try paying attention to the main part of the OP, not just the Fleischer tweet.

My writing was perfectly clear.

You couldn't be bothered to do the search I told people would turn up those tweets.

[Cha]

35. Krystal Ball on the so-called "left"..

Link to tweet

In a segment titled “The Progressive case against Ukrainegate”, Krystal Ball suggest Pelosi and Dems are impeaching Donald Trump to keep Bernie Sanders off the campaign trial.

Aaron Mate replies, “I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287357699#top

[Demsrule86]

46. I believe she is a Warren supporter.

[Cha]

47. No, KBall is a BS supporter...

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

44. Ana Kasparian of the The Young Turks says so.

Cenk says he doesn't know if that's why Pelosi's putting off impeachment but, "We do know Nancy Pelosi has gone to dinners with Democratic donors trying to figure out a way to damage Bernie Sander's campaign." Plotting behind closed doors!

[Cha]

48. So Stupid.

[betsuni]

50. So are all the attempts to kill the messenger.

All anyone has to do is Google and up come articles and Krystal Ball and The Young Turks -- OBVIOUSLY this conspiracy has been around for a couple of months.

But no! Ari Fleischer said it, it can't be true. If a Republican tweeted that it's Friday on a Friday, it can't be true because RIGHT-WING SOURCE.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

11. Pro tip: Ari Fleischer is a right wing douche bag

Not on the left

[highplainsdem]

13. Reality tip: Do the Twitter search suggested in the OP. I never said

Fleischer was on the left. I said he was encouraging the conspiracy theories.

[Cha]

49. Do you call Krystal Ball the same?

Link to tweet

In a segment titled “The Progressive case against Ukrainegate”, Krystal Ball suggest Pelosi and Dems are impeaching Donald Trump to keep Bernie Sanders off the campaign trial.

Aaron Mate replies, “I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287357699#top

[Kurt V.]

15. i follow a lot of leftys (lefties?) on Twitter. a lot. I've never seen this.

[NYMinute]

16. Some people never take off their tinfoil hat.

[getagrip_already]

24. the dnc already said it would delay the debates if the hearings conflict...

Pelosi said she supported that.

Fleischer is just one rung above sanders in the pr department, and thats only because he didn't work for trump.

But fox will run with it. Look, shiny object!!!

[Iliyah]

26. Ugh . . . . .

[underthematrix]

27. Here's my response

Link to tweet

[corbettkroehler]

39. Beautiful Tweet! Truly Top-Flight!

I know that there's no way I could top it but I will share my feelings with Ari nonetheless. What slime!

[underthematrix]

54. Thank you :)

[highplainsdem]

40. Great response -- both eloquent and beautifully concise! Kudos!

[underthematrix]

55. Thank you :)

[JustAnotherGen]

30. see it's

Russian trolls and various other bad actors.

[highplainsdem]

36. And Krystal Ball. See Cha's reply 33.

[corbettkroehler]

38. Leave It To A Republican!

Thanks for relaying this lunacy, highplainsdem! You're right that we need to squelch it at every turn.

I am 100% Sanders and trust Speaker Pelosi without compunction.

[Hortensis]

43. Sounds like the work of professional conspiracy mongers:

aimed directly at the Democratic Party and poisoning vulnerable targets on both right and left to suppress the vote.

Yesterday, my husband helped a trumpster neighbor, who gets Social Security and is insured through the VA, order something on line, and the neighbor was very concerned that the government would steal his financial data. My husband tried to reassure him, but saw no reason to try to enlighten. Anyway, this story is right up his alley, loathing of the evil DNC only one of a number of things he has in common with his counterparts on the far left.

Of course, it's not them we need to be concerned about, but those seldom- and non- voters who don't know what to think might be influenced by the toxic fumes from that direction into staying disengaged.

[Bettie]

45. You know, when you speak of those "on the left"

you admit that you are on the right.

A lot of people have a lot of opinions on when the articles should be delivered.

I'm "on the left" and I hope she plays it out a bit more. I don't think it hurts any senator running for office.

[highplainsdem]

52. No, I don't. I'm in the center of the party, not on the left edge, or on the right.

Warren and Sanders are considered the candidates on the left in the Democratic Party. Sanders especially, since democratic socialists are a very small group on the farthest left edge of the party. But Warren's proposals are fairly close to his.

It's silly to suggest that anyone who refers to Warren and Sanders and their supporters as being on the left is therefore on the right.

If so, that would make Common Dreams and Jacobin on the right. LOL. I can promise you they'd object to that.

I'm just using standard terminology. It's surprising you'd object to it.

[Bettie]

53. Generally, people with a Biden picture

see themselves as the entire party and spend a whole lot of time talking about the "far, far left".

I tire of being told that anyone who supports Warren or Sanders are so far left as to not even "really" be part of the party.

And so, I snap at people sometimes. I'm sick to death of hearing that only "moderates" or "centrists" matter and the rest of us are just supposed to accept being the red-headed stepchild of the party most of us have been part of since we were able to cast our first ballot.

And yet, you still win, because we literally have no where else to go. So, I guess I just need to suck it up and realize that life never will actually improve, because positive change happens in such tiny increments as to be nonexistent in most cases.

[highplainsdem]

56. I don't think I've ever suggested that people who support Warren or Sanders are so far left they

can't be part of the big tent of the Democratic Party.

I do get worried about the ones like AOC who suggest the tent's too big and it shouldn't include both her and Biden.

And I get offended when some Warren and Sanders supporters suggest that only the left can offer good ideas, helpful ideas, and they suggest that anything more moderate, even if still traditionally liberal, is inferior.

We do need to be able to get along, and that means compromises.

Positive change usually DOES happen in increments, mostly because dramatic changes -- or attempted changes that fail -- often lead to dramatic backlashes. But that doesn't mean gradual change is "nonexistent in most cases."

As for having nowhere else to go...I don't either. I'll have no choice but to vote for Sanders or Warren if one of them is the nominee, even though I really don't think either of them can beat Trump. (The general election polling we've seen so far shows Biden can do well against Trump despite all the GOP attacks on him, but we have no idea if the same would be true of any of our other candidates if they're subjected to that, because so far they've been spared while the GOP goes after Biden, the one they're most afraid of.) I think Biden might help enough down-ballot for Dems to regain control of the Senate as well as keep control of the House. I think the opposite is true with Warren and Sanders.

But I'll still vote for them, because I have nowhere else to go.

[Bettie]

57. Well, your choice will likely be the one

as he has been chosen by the media. *

But hey, it's all good, an old white guy gets his shot at running things and high time too since they have barely had any chance or influence so far in our history what with the dominance of women and not-white people in government and industry.

* Media, in this case, indicates mainstream media, run by the wealthiest corporations and individuals in our society.

[betsuni]

58. K&R