Nina Turner: "Joe Biden has repeatedly let us down"

[brooklynite]

The State

While Bernie Sanders has always stood up for African Americans, Joe Biden has repeatedly let us down
BY NINA TURNER

In choosing between the two Democratic Party candidates atop the polls, African American voters have a consequential decision to make:

Will our community side with former Vice President Joe Biden, who has repeatedly betrayed black voters to side with Republican lawmakers and undermine our progress? Or will we stand with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and a movement that has been fighting for racial and economic justice since the civil rights era?

This critical choice is illustrated by the key differences between Biden and Sanders – which began at the beginning of their respective careers.

As a recent NBC News headline said of Biden’s time in the Senate: “Biden didn’t just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause.” The NBC report quoted the NAACP’s legal director saying that one Biden-backed measure “heaves a brick through the window of school integration.”

Turner is National Co-Chair of the Sanders Campaign.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

1. K and R!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Barack Obama and the majority of black voters might disagree.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/11/biden-leads-among-black-voters-reason/

[George II]

8. Interesting - I just posted this column as an OP. GMTA!!!!

[lark]

3. Turner supported Stein and is one of the people who helped put drumpf in office.

Continue to listen to her at our peril - IMO. America will not elect a socialist. RT is pushing him & Gabbard because either one would be the person most likely to elect their broken rusty tool - drumpf.

Fixed name mistake

[Kurt V.]

52. i read this all the time. Republicans and electoral college bias put trump in office. full stop.

[Demsrule86]

54. There was enough votes for Stein to have made Hillary the winner in the Mid West...Stein is dead

to me and so is Nina Turner.

[Kurt V.]

58. if 3.5% of the entire electorate gave us trump, as you claim, then there are far greater issues

at play than stein.

[Demsrule86]

59. Look at the numbers...Trump won an EC victory...Stein took votes that would have put Hillary in the

White House...and we lost those states by very low numbers...and yeah we have a problem if we don't rebuild the blue wall we can't win the presidency in 20 or even 24 most likely.

[lark]

61. The evidence says otherwise.

If Bernie supporters didn't support Hillary, that is definitely part of the problem of why she lost. Of course Repug voter suppression played a huge part and so did Russia - and our fucked up electoral college. But this isn't a single answer question - there are lots of facts involved, including Bernie supporters voting for Stein or even drumpf.

[hlthe2b]

4. Uggh. Nina Turner does Bernie no favors. Her attacks are not helping either.

If Bernie supporters, like Nina Turner, think older African Americans--who lived through all of this--have not already factored in his decades-old record into their thinking, then you are more condescending and contemptuous toward those you wish to appeal to than I could have imagined.

[Me.]

5. Consider The Source

someone who helped put the Despicable in the WH. Why would anyone rely on her judgment, including her present candidate?

[highplainsdem]

6. +1,000,000

[Thekaspervote]

9. Yes yes yes!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Joe Biden is a good man.

[highplainsdem]

10. Nina Turner, a 2020 Bernie campaign chair, refused to support Hillary days before the 2016 election:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12872234

[highplainsdem]

11. 'I know Joe's heart': Why black voters are backing Joe Biden:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287363712


https://apnews.com/86ac620dd00045dc9a8f21900ee4cfdc

People who have known Biden for decades speak to the depth of good will he has among black voters. They talk of Biden as someone who has known and courted black voters for more than a half century. That, they say, could make it difficult for other candidates who hope to persuade some black voters to change their minds.

“He knew our plight, he knew how we felt,” said Richard “Mouse” Smith, who met Biden as a kid in Wilmington, Delaware’s black community where Biden worked as a lifeguard during college.

“He walked through gangs, learned all nicknames, he was part of this community,” said Smith, who remains one of Biden’s oldest and closest friends. “Joe had to be accountable to the black leadership in this city. We made him.”

Biden has credited his early years in Delaware politics as formative, particularly the community known as “The Bucket,” the largely African American, downtrodden northeast Wilmington neighborhood that was home to housing projects, crime, drugs and violence. He returned to the area as a young lawyer during the 1968 Wilmington riots after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. He represented the community of New Castle as a county councilman, supporting public housing and opposing highway projects he saw as potentially harmful to black neighborhoods.

After his election to the U.S. Senate in 1972, Biden remained a fixture in the black community, a regular at the annual NAACP dinner and a commencement speaker at historically black Delaware State University. He talked to everyone, including the wait staff, according to people who knew him at the time. Most important, he listened, recalled Delaware State’s provost and incoming president, Tony Allen, who served as Biden’s speechwriter and special assistant when Biden was in the Senate.

“It almost seemed like he had a unique familiarity with people who might not have been advantaged,” said Allen. “He was always the last one to leave, making sure he connected with people and knew what their issues were. It’s kind of why a lot of African Americans affectionately call him ‘Uncle Joe.’ We feel like he’s got our back, he’s gonna consult with us and make the right decision.”

-snip-

[George II]

12. Ever notice that she never says anything specifically positive about her candidate? Wonder why?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. That isn't what she and Sirota and the other bomb-throwers were hired to do.

Their job is to tear down the other candidates and Democrats in general, just like they did in 2016.

[58Sunliner]

13. I'll consider the source.

[evilhime]

15. Can he win though

Honestly I don't think Bernie can win in a general election - the right will hang that socialist tag on him; his policies and concepts won't play well with people who aren't informed or able for various reasons to think beyond their kitchen table issues, and that will be enough to turn off any swing voters that might have gone this way - causing lower turn-out or opposition vote. He has some good ideas and I would love it if he would retire and try mentoring the younger generation in some of his ideas, and NOT split the loyalty of the Dems at least this time around. That he did not support Hillary IMO was a big problem in 2016 and hurt her, and eventually us. I didn't love her but she would have been far and away a better leader than the POS we have now. And we have to stop "eating our own"!!

One thing we have to really work on - Democrats tend to speak in white papers which no one remembers - the GOP speaks in bumper stickers which everyone remembers. the pResident's trick of sticking a nickname on everyone works because that is what people remember! They don't remember the issues HRC stood for they remember "Crooked Hillary". Everyone on that side of the aisle remembered it and spouted it non stop. And Democrats need to find some good marketing folks who can name things appropriately. Remember the estate tax being called the "death tax" by the right? Yeah . . .they know how to appeal to emotions and we NEED that too! I plan to watch this group https://lincolnproject.us/ - they have the know how to work this but we need a candidate who can win!

Rant over

[Demsrule86]

55. Not only can he win...he is the only one who can win...Sanders and Warren are not ahead in

Virginia...think about that...we need MI,WI and PA...Biden can win those states. So the answer is yes.

[awesomerwb1]

16. Nina Turner is a disaster

A fully approved and endorsed shameless attack tool. If Bernie doesn't win the nomination, whoever does should know Nina Turner will go third party.

What a joke.

[highplainsdem]

17. And if by some miracle Sanders does win the nomination, we might see Turner as his VP,

if the tweets I'm seeing from Sanders supporters are any indication.

I can't think of a Democratic ticket more likely to lose to Trump.

[LakeArenal]

18. Agree.

[Demsrule86]

19. All bullshit and really shitty post...Biden did not fight for segregationist...he was against busing

as were my liberal parents...Tina can fuck off. I despise her Stein supporting self. As for the misleading/lying MSNBC headline...reminds me why I stopped watching MSNBC...I don't watch any and I probably won't ever again. I watched faithfully tape the show...had it on as background noise during the day when I was home...no more.

[KitSileya]

46. Senator Sanders was against busing too

He thought it would inflame racial hostilities. It's the ultimate in hypocrisy for Nina Turner to attack VP Biden on the issue when her candidate has done f%&k-all for African Americans since he was a college student. He refused to vote for the politicians that passed the Civil Rights Act and following legislation. In other words, he couldn't care less about the voting rights of Nina Turner and her ilk - he only started voting when he could vote for himself, never mind national candidates that championed Nina Turner's civil rights!

[Demsrule86]

47. I know. I despise Turner...not helping her candidate either.

[writes3000]

20. Nina Turner is a VILE piece of human waste. I despise her. This black man will now donate $2800

To Joe Biden.

She makes it very hard for me to support her candidate. She’s absolutely disgusting.

[left-of-center2012]

21. Nina Turner?

[mcar]

22. What a crock

[evertonfc]

23. Nina Turner is vile

Joe has served honorably. Always Right? No. People like Nina Turner is why me and thousands are supporting Biden. What a terrible person to have advocating for your campaign. She isn't a Democrat. She's a self serving flame thrower

[UniteFightBack]

24. Right back at ya Ms. Turner. nt

[OilemFirchen]

25. And it's NOT part of a coordinated attack, so stop saying that!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[melman]

28. You mean the campaign is coordinating with itself?

This is very concerning.

[Demsrule86]

48. Sanders didn't invite AA actvist from Vermont when he he held an event in

Vermont...not a good look.

[Atticus]

26. I'm sorry, but anyone who cares at all about Nina Turner's opinion is beyond salvaging. nt

[Historic NY]

31. Exactly....

there need to be a purge for people who spin like tops.

[mzmolly]

27. zzzzzzzz

[melman]

29. In this thread we see many posts attacking Nina Turner...

...but none that attempt to actually refute anything she says here. Interesting.

[OnDoutside]

30. Probably because she is the worst kind of ideologue, who may take a nugget

and twist it her own warped style. Turner is the worst kind of hard left trot, who would be as happy as she was in 2016 to see Democrats lose because she doesn't get everything she wants.

I know you are desperate to see Bernie win but condoning Turner, doesn't reflect well.

[ehrnst]

45. +1000.

[George II]

44. Here's one, in Ms. Turner's own words:

Link to tweet

[Historic NY]

32. Anybody ask the AA in his home state how they feel about him, now

[link:https://vtdigger.org/2018/04/04/sanders-says-sorry-hard-feelings-among-vt-racial-minorities/|]

[link:https://www.nepr.net/post/we-find-ourselves-excluded-racial-justice-leaders-ask-bernie-sanders-get-program#stream/0|]


Black or African American: 1.29% of the population of 628,000

[Cha]

39. I'm sure nina didn't.

[Sloumeau]

33. Ugh, Nina Turner Abandoned the entire Democratic Party and Supported Stein.

She's only about supporting the most extreme left candidate she can find, whether or not they have any chance of getting elected.

[SmallDonor]

34. Nina is on point!

[Cha]

35. NO nina is NOT "on point". Biden is Leading with

POC because they're smarter than nina.

[Kahuna7]

36. I think she was more on point when she praised Biden in 2008...

Link to tweet

[Cha]

40. Ha! they all praised Biden.. BS, nina, and sirota..

[oasis]

43. Biden's credentials have skyrocketed since 2008. Is Nina confused

or just plain promoting a falsehood?

[Demsrule86]

56. No she is not...and never is on point...Biden did not fight with White Supremacists...what she says

is a lie. And it reflects badly on Sanders...his numbers may be declining in fact.

[totodeinhere]

37. I support Bernie but I don't think that posts like this are helpful.

Joe might well be our nominee and we won't need the Trump campaign going back and resurrecting comments like this that they can use against our nominee.

[jcmaine72]

42. Equally unhelpful are posts about how Black leaders in Vermont were "invisible" to Bernie.

Bernie just might be our nominee too. We should be equally concerned that Dotard might resurrect those comments as well.

[totodeinhere]

49. Oh of course, those two things are not mutually exclusive. n/t

[SaschaHM]

38. Whatever, Nina.

As a black voter, I saw you pull this act in 2016 while Bernie's white surrogates were advocating overruling the preference of 75% of AA voters at the convention. You have no credibility. It didn't work then. It won't work now.

[jcmaine72]

41. Oh my!

[democrattotheend]

50. I don't have a horse in this fight

But I am fed up with attacks like this. Are we really suggesting that Barack Obama's vice president is a racist?

[RandySF]

51. Nina who?

[Bev54]

60. Yes exactly

The last line of this post says it all - She is the National co-chair of the Sanders campaign. Give us a break!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. K&R

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Squinch]

57. God, she's gross.