Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumUnfortunately, I think it's rude to call another Dem "elite"
I think it's pretty obviously rude to use the term "elite" about another Dem unless that Dem specifically says they want that word applied to them (and, of course, I doubt any will say that). If permission is not given, then calling someone "elite" is name calling. To me, name calling is a form of rudeness. No one wants to be rude or to be treated rudely, so I think this issue is worth mentioning to raise awareness of the situation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Politico did, though. Might be they're trying to stir up emotions before the primary?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)Not only is that false, that is a pretty standard right wing smear of Democrats in general.
Has Bernie denied what Politico reported?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,900 posts)Finest, best, leading, choice, select, supreme, first-class, foremost, greatest, first-rate, pre-eminent, top, cool, gilt-edged, super, topflight, world-class, excellent, prime, excellent, superior, quality, superb, premier.
Unfortunately, the word has been twisted to mean something bad instead of something excellent. "Elites" are now imagined to be chablis-drinking, brie-eating snobs with Ph.Ds who wear ascots and drive Priuses and look down on everybody else. It's really a GOP sort of insult and Democrats shouldn't be throwing it at each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,689 posts)"What's the worst thing you can call someone in American politics? If you read the papers or watch cable news on the wrong day, you just might think it's 'elite.' My 1973 OED describes 'elite' ... as 'the choice part or flower (of society or any body of persons).' If redacted today ... a new sense would be added, 'one's out-of-touch political opponents.'
"Elite's meaning has become remarkably plastic ... . How did that happen? First, the counterculture attacked the old elites (the titans of industry, the Washington class, the military brass) as out of touch, making authenticity, not authority, the greatest value one can aspire to. Then the counterculture overreached, Nixon found his 'silent majority,' and railed against his own bugbear elites: the now familiar culprits in academia, Hollywood and the press. Both left and right seek the 'real' and shun the 'elites,' and a word has come to mean its opposite: the worst, most harmful class of society, not the 'choicest part or flower.' A strange trip for a word, but these things happen."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)that he is running for President in the Wrong Party
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)the Biden Campaign was happy to run with.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,811 posts)According to the article below, while he did not name her directly, he implied he was referring to her, and didn't directly call her "elitist", but said she employed a condescending approach to politics that smacks of elitism.
https://apnews.com/b491ca4f60f04b55903cf7f3c1df6371
I agree with Biden here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=419044
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Funny you should ask that, I am writing a post about it.
"Warren Derides Biden as Running in Wrong Presidential Primary" as headlined by Bloomberg, is as much as lie as "Biden lauded Paul Ryan for proposing cuts to Social Security and Medicare" appearing in Bern Notice.
You can read the post when I put it up. The original video is hard to find. I will repost it on YouTube if necessary/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bummfuzzle
(154 posts)what you are saying from other posters. Here it states that he did what you said but then took it further I think the next day in an interview. He states it is an elitist attitude. Is that calling her an elitist? I think so. I guess you can say someone has a racist or sexist attitude and not mean they are sexist or racist. But, I think most would come off thinking you might be accusing them of being racist or sexist.
"If you dont agree with Elizabeth Warren, you must somehow be not a Democrat. You must somehow be corrupt. You must somehow not be as smart as she is, Biden said on SiriusXMs Urban View. Its just something we dont do in our party. Its not who we are.
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She has things in her plan that are just not realistic, but if you question it, she says you dont understand or youre talking like a Republican, Biden said on continued. Its just an elitist attitude that its either my way or the highway.
Calling Warren elitist is an attempt by Biden to paint Warren as too extreme for the Democratic electorate. He's looking to stoke resentment among working class voters by casting Warren as a snooty, liberal Harvard professor and not the person she portends to be on the campaign trail: a scrappy Oklahoman taking on Washington corruption.
It comes as Biden is looking to blunt Warrens momentum as she overtakes him in early state polling."
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/06/joe-biden-calls-warren-elitist-066637
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,811 posts)According to the article below, while he did not name her directly, he implied he was referring to her, and didn't directly call her "elitist", but said she employed a condescending approach to politics that smacks of elitism.
Biden didn't IMPLY EW was a "republicon".
EW wasn't implying Pete is "elite" was she?
Warren slammed Buttigieg for fundraiser in wine cave with a crystal chandelier. In 2018, she
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287387887
Was EW trying to "blunt" Pete candidacy?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,112 posts)Bidens attacks on her using GOP scare tactics.
You keep posting what still one posted when it was ASSUMED that Warren struck first, and even after it is established that Warrens swipe back was after Bidens 2 months of swipes at her.
September and October THEN November on every calendar Ive owned.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)It is an utter smear. And that shit has got to stop.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,689 posts)people who have money"; "We need a Democratic Party that is not a liberal elite"; "It is not good enough to have a liberal elite"; "The political, financial and media elite of this country will stop at nothing to defeat us" -- he should stop constantly calling Democrats elites.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bummfuzzle
(154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,689 posts)It's one thing to drop an "elite" once in a while, a wine cave here, saying someone's being condescending there, but when it's the foundation of your campaign along with "establishment" and calling Democrats corrupt ... well, that's a different rodeo altogether.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bummfuzzle
(154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,689 posts)It's a shame that he's fighting a fictional Democratic Party, and his supporters believe him. Then in the general election, how do you turn around and say, never mind, vote for the Democrat I've been telling you is a corrupt establishment elite who cares nothing for the working and middle classes?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,811 posts)of the matter.
We've seen this horror show once too often.
BS called the whole Dem Party "Elite" after the fascists took over the WH.. AFTER THE GENERAL "ELECTION".
Bernie Sanders 'deeply humiliated' Democrats lost white working-class voters
Donald Trump "very effectively" tapped into "the anger and angst and pain that many working class people are feeling," the Vermont independent senator who challenged Clinton in the Democratic primary said on "CBS This Morning."
"I think that there needs to be a profound change in the way the Democratic Party does business," Sanders said. "It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from."
https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/bernie-sanders-humiliated-democrats-loss-working-class-voters/index.html
The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12512645001
"Myth"? yeah right.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,689 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)"We have to ask ourselves, Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we dont agree with anything the Democratic Party says?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,811 posts)everything good about America today.
So self-serving.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,811 posts)uh huh..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028947540
Straight from his own mouth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)an elite among Democrats when he runs for president. His populist demagoguery hides a sense of entitlement to office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bummfuzzle
(154 posts)me shaking my head at the audacity.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BooScout
(10,406 posts)... "Elites" fits with his 'Revolution' narrative so well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whathehell
(29,096 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Weird how things change
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)any candidate to point it out. I find it neither rude nor upsetting. But then, I do have midwestern sensibility on my side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)entirely different.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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GP6971
(31,226 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(57,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden