Media hyping up Bernie/Elizabeth feud.

[kentuck]

Which means Bernie and Elizabeth might get more attentiom at tonight's debate?

And CNN is attempting to drive up their ratings by promoting some sort of feud between the two candidates.

It's all a tempest in a teapot, in my opinion.

[Hortensis]

23. I think it's bad for both of them, and they should both have

expected the press reaction, but perhaps Warren didn't expect Sanders to actually call her a liar, turning it into a question of character.

Because of that, I think it'll hurt Sanders more. Warren is widely trusted and believed to be honest. An alleged belief that a woman can't win this time is no more than many worry about, but Sanders blew it big time when he made his character an additional issue by ordering his attack dogs to call Warren a liar. It's not like the press doesn't know they work for him.

[iwannaknow]

2. 1,000%

[yaesu]

3. yep, corporatists are scared to death of Bernie now that he's up in the polls nt

[TidalWave46]

8. They built him up and now they will break him down.

It has nothing to do with fear. I find it strange that Sanders supporters keep going around listing out everyone they believe to be living in fear. Seems to be projection.

You are spot on about the corporate aspect. They make their decisions based on ratings, not fear.

[MineralMan]

4. Not hype. Just news.

They're reporting the same news we've been talking about here.

[Apollo Zeus]

5. CNN famously gave unlimited airtime to the Swiftboaters

with no fact checking or journalism involved. They have their own agenda in these things.

The Hillary campaign had much more money than the Trump campaign and it seems like the networks pumped Trump to squeeze the money out of Team Blue. Hillary spent until the polls showed her ahead. She had even more money available but did not spend it. Likely CNN wants every dollar this time around. Imagine their delight when Bloomberg got in -- cha-ching!

[TidalWave46]

6. You are spot on but don't think Warren didn't understand this is how they would do it.

Warren has an ace in the bag. She knows that at least two other candidates will be more than happy to help her damage Sanders. The correct political move for Biden and Buttigieg is clear for tonight. Pile on Bernie.

[Paka]

10. Sad the way that works.

I didn't think she would stoop that low.

[TidalWave46]

11. I don't see it as stooping low.

After tonight we will know if it was a great campaign move or not. It's not like she has ushered in Sirota or Turner. That would be sick.

[Politicub]

12. I see what you did there.

"It's not like she has ushered in Sirota or Turner."

[Paka]

15. Misrepresenting what was actually said,

and weaving it into an untrue accusation is as low as it gets. Senator Warren claims to be Bernie's friend and knows full well he is not misogynistic. She chose to stoke media flames and hatred against Senator Sanders in hopes she would be the winner. It's a personal attack, not a contrast of differences on issues. It reeks of nastiness. Unless Senator Warren stands tall and backs off, she has lost my respect.

[TidalWave46]

16. You are making assumptions I do not believe to be accurate.

"She chose to stoke media flames and hatred against Senator Sanders in hopes she would be the winner."

I would word that a bit differently but we will know tonight if it is a great campaign move or not. I have a feeling the others are going to go after Sanders as well considering the timing of Warren calling Sanders out. The sharks are smelling blood and Sanders whole team is acting injured.

"It's a personal attack, not a contrast of differences on issues."

So what? Are you saying the Sanders campaign is above personal attacks?



It's Sirotas whole reason to exist. Sanders himself dishes out personal attacks. But now it's no good?

[Paka]

18. I disagree completely.

What you call Sirota attacks are based on issues and they are not personal. You may chose to see them as personal and that is your right to have that opinion. I see them differently. What Senator Warren stated flies in the face of everything he has stated over his forty year history in politics. She knows Bernie's loss is her gain and that is her underlying intent. By leaving out any context in whatever his remark was said, she knew full well what the reaction would be.

[TidalWave46]

19. "What you call Sirota attacks are based on issues and they are not personal. '

Not a single person is going to buy that. Not one. Not even yourself.

[Paka]

22. I don't know what anyone else believes.

I do, however, know what I believe and it is not your place to tell me what I do or do not believe.

[TidalWave46]

24. Just trying to help.

And it is my place if you are going to use just that as a part of a discussion to make a point. Sirota is a piece of shit who attacks Democrats in extremely shady ways. He is the lowest of the low. Not a single person believes he keeps his attacks policy based, including yourself.

[ehrnst]

25. That was an observation, not a directive...

No one is "telling you" what "to believe or not to believe."

[Paka]

29. Not a directive, but neither is it an observation.

The statement was: "Not a single person is going to buy that. Not one. Not even yourself." The only way I can interpret that is that I am lying to myself. Not telling me what to believe, but challenging the very thing that I do believe. I have every right to resent that.

[ehrnst]

21. But she wasn't the one who made this public - someone she knew leaked it.

"She" wasn't the one who "left out the context" because she wasn't the person who made the conversation that she had with other people public.

That really negates everything you just claimed about her "intentions," doesn't it?

I mean, if you're going to criticize her, criticize her for something that's factual, not what you want to believe....in order to confirm your clear "lack of respect" for someone who decided to run against, instead of endorse Sanders.

Here it is again. Note the bolded part....

Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say

[Paka]

31. True, her surrogates made the actual statement.

Individual who were not present for the conversation. She is the only one who can add the context. The fact that she has chosen not to do that says worlds to me.

[ehrnst]

32. "Her surrogates?" Names, please.

You are implying that she is lying about not directing this herself to go public as well?



You seem to confusing assumptions with facts again. And she did provide context, while at the same time being the adult in the room as far as this leak goes:

“Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed,” she said. “I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry.” She added that she and Mr. Sanders were “friends and allies” and said she believed they would continue to work together to beat Mr. Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-woman-president.html

You're welcome.

[vsrazdem]

28. Its' pretty dirty.

[ehrnst]

33. Because you say so? And can't believe that Bernie would have said that, or

perhaps makes mistakes about what he has said or done?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=420801

[Paka]

35. Even one of the surrogates has now made a statement referencing context.

It is still up to Senator Warren to clarify it. I know Senator Sanders to be an honest man and he spoke out regarding the context. He didn't say "a woman cannot win" but rather did say that attacks would be made based on sexist attitudes, simply as cautionary advice. He is human and therefore capable of mistakes, but that doesn't mean that he flagrantly goes against his inner moral code. He is known for having a strong moral code and lives accordingly. That's not something I alone say, but rather something intrinsic to who Bernard Sanders is.

Senator Warren prefers to let it stand for now because she thinks she can gain from the brouhaha. It doesn't help her so much as it does help more centrist candidates. In holding off with a full explanation she is doing a disservice to all progressives.

[Raven123]

7. Slow news day. Sometimes I Think I am watching Entertainment Tonight

[jalan48]

9. I think the feud will dissolve into a puddle of nothing before the "debate" is over.

[ehrnst]

26. One person has stated that she is not going to discuss it further.

One person in this so-called "feud" has risen above it.

“I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry.” She added that she and Mr. Sanders were “friends and allies” and said she believed they would continue to work together to beat Mr. Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-woman-president.html

[vsrazdem]

30. Not so sure. A lot of Bernie supporters had Warren as their second choice. They are feeling

pretty Berned about now.

[ehrnst]

34. I think that might be having the effect of burning Sanders supporters out as well.

Which would certainly be an understandable reason to deny it.

She called the conversation "punditry" and expressed respect for Sanders.

That's an adult way to address the issue.

[redstatebluegirl]

13. The media and some trolls.

There are a lot of new DU members, like there was during 2016 primary season, who seem intent on driving division in our party. Either between women and men, or with the African Americans and white middle class.

I refuse to engage them, I tried in 2016, and it ended up making the division between long term DU members even worse. Keep this in mind as you read posts here and respond. Don't get over wrought over something that was put here to do just that.

I tend to think that the people here who don't think Elizabeth can win, like me, feel that way because we feel she is going to far to the left for a great many in this country that we need to win.

Everyone, no matter who you support, MUST get out and vote and take your friends. This is not just an election, we are being manipulated by forces outside out country and inside. Don't allow it.

[TCJ70]

14. I read her response. It seems reasonable to me. I don't see why any of this is controversial.

She called they're conversation "punditry" and it's not a crazy thing to think that a woman would have a harder time winning or even can't win in our current political climate given history.

The characterization of this as "A WOMAN CAN'T WIN" and that's it doesn't seem to capture the entire situation as described by Warren.

[Nanjeanne]

17. Yup. But unfortunately it's the distraction of

Reality tv news now

[SharonClark]

20. Agree 100%