DEBATE THREAD #1

[highplainsdem]

Since no one else has started one yet...


How to watch the debate:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287423491

[lunasun]

1. Looks like cnn will let me watch free on my tablet via cbsnews ? I'll find someway to view ..

Thanks

[highplainsdem]

2. I just edited the OP to link to the topic about how to watch. Here it is again:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287423491

[lunasun]

4. Oh well another thank you + I rec 'd your other OP

[left-of-center2012]

3. Unless Bloomberg gets the nomination ...

I assume one of the candidates in tonight's debate will be the Democratic nominee.

IMHO it will be difficult for any of the lower tier to gain momentum with the Iowa caucus so close.

IMHO

[UniteFightBack]

5. Amy's wearing red y'all watch out!!!!!!!!! nt

[nolabear]

8. I like her. It'll be interesting to see what she does bring!

[spooky3]

38. I think she has done really well in the debates. nt

[nolabear]

6. What did Joe say that made Bernie laugh?

I’m reading body language like crazy. 😂

[UniteFightBack]

10. He said something about them being close in the polls. nt

[nolabear]

13. Thanks. He's got that happy warrior persona.

I like that.

[RazBerryBeret]

7. was anyone able

to make out what Biden said in Bernie's ear? I couldn't.

[nolabear]

9. GMTA.

[RazBerryBeret]

12. ah. thanks

that wasn't as funny as they made it look. haha.

[nolabear]

14. No I mean I posted the same thing. Upthread is a reply.

Something re them being close in the polls.

[FloridaBlues]

15. Here's hoping the dems don't eat other up!!

Keep it focused.

[nolabear]

16. Excellent! Foreign policy out of the gate!

[Control-Z]

17. I can feel my BP going up already. Ugh. n/t

[George II]

18. 9:04 and Sanders already has his hand in Biden's face.

[highplainsdem]

20. Very irritating.

[George II]

25. If it were me, I'd bite his fingers.

[Cha]

36. I hate that..

lt's So attractive

Link to tweet

What's Biden saying?.. he's too cool for that

[highplainsdem]

19. I'm already tired of listening to Sanders.

[UniteFightBack]

23. Well we've been hearing him constantly for 5 years now. nt

[CentralMass]

29. Thats nice.

[Cha]

37. I can imagine..

[Happy Hoosier]

119. Ya mean "Sick and tired," amiright?

Dude loves that phrase.

[UniteFightBack]

21. The Iraq war is fucking baked in. nt

[AlexSFCA]

28. unfortunately it will be the main topic if biden wins nomination

the war never went away, its effects will be going on for a long time. Super weak answer by Biden hiding behind Obama within the first 30 seconds of response. He really needs to step up his game.

[highplainsdem]

32. No, it won't be the main topic. And Biden's doing fine.

[UniteFightBack]

33. Dumps corruption should be the main topic. nt

[AlexSFCA]

82. not for the media

[boomer_wv]

105. The Iraq war vote isn't going to be the main topic of the election

What's Trump going to say? Elect me and I'll get the troops out? I mean, he's had three years and things are worse over there than they were.

[underthematrix]

110. Republicans lied us into the war. That will never ever go away.

[nolabear]

22. They're just getting their feet under them. Amy taking it to Trump.

Good for her.

[still_one]

24. +++

[Bummfuzzle]

27. +1

[nolabear]

26. Actually Warren has a good reply. Nuanced.

[nolabear]

30. Steyer isn't as bad as I'd imagined. A tad scared looking.

But get that message out there, man!

[spooky3]

43. Stephanie Ruhl interviewed him this AM and he was good. nt

[MH1]

59. I missed that but he was great with Jake Tapper the other day. nt

[oasis]

113. Steyer was on C-SPAN a few days ago. He was quite impressive.

He should tone it down about term limits, IMO.

[nolabear]

31. Well I agree with Bernie re an international coalition.

I’ve got my pick but I’m eager to hear everyone have more expertise than the monster in the WH.

[highplainsdem]

34. Buttigieg talking very effectively about soldiers' experience.

[herding cats]

40. I liked his words.

He's got potential in the party.

[Sugarcoated]

35. No offense intended towards Sen Klobuchar

I think she's got the goods and would gladly vote for her if she should be the candidate, but it's impossible to not notice
that she has a tremor. Does anyone know, or is there anyone in the medical field here that can say what's going on with that?

[highplainsdem]

39. I haven't noticed the tremor tonight. Then again, I wasn't looking for it.

[Sugarcoated]

52. It's not a severe one but I see it

SNL made it a joke in a a recent skit, unfortunately.

[highplainsdem]

56. I remember that, and Klobuchar's hair, in that debate, seemed to have something to do with it. Her

hair is smoother tonight.

[dflprincess]

63. I think it has more to do with her hairstyle and the earrings she's wearing

Everytime she moves her lower jaw, the earrings move (I just tested this theory with a similar pair I have) and I think the way her bangs are styled make them move everytime she shifts her position (and we can't discount the idea that there may be fan hitting her hair just right).

I will say that whoever did her make up tonight did an awful job.

[lunasun]

71. Ok I didn't want to be the one but YES her makeup who did that ???? So bad it's distracting

Nothing against what’s coming out of her mouth but it makes a difference to attention when you come out looking different than usual because of a bad makeup job imo

[Tumbulu]

94. Almost as bad as the journalists

I think the make up people have all gone nuts. Poor Amy, she is a great candidate, I’m sorry that they did this to her.

[herding cats]

48. I didn't notice it.

Maybe she needs more voice training? As I said, I don't see it, but I miss things sometimes.

She seems smart and solid to me. Leaps and bounds above Trump and in my eyes a potential VP, if she loses the nomination.

[Sugarcoated]

57. It's not her voice it's a tremor in her body.

Of course, I agree she'd make a fine president.

[herding cats]

60. Oh, then I've not ever noticed it. nt

[PatSeg]

58. It actually looks more like nerves

I can hear it in her voice and I can relate to it. She usually does better once she warms up.

[blm]

93. Even the brightest and most talented can suffer from stage fright.

Even Barbra Streisand had it.

[PatSeg]

100. Oh yes

I can remember being so nervous that my voice was shaky like that. It has to be so intimidating participating in these debates and most of them are a bit nervous at the beginning.

[CentralMass]

89. I hadn't noticed.

[hlthe2b]

41. I can't help thinking Buttigieg is so intelligent, articulate, well informed...

but damn if he doesn't look sooooo young. Appearing as he is tonight among all those much older candidates, it really pops out at you. Almost startlingly so.

[spooky3]

44. I think he's more acceptable as a VP candidate. nt

[highplainsdem]

46. Agree.

[George II]

42. I'm sorry, I'm switching to "Big Bang Theory", can't take the BS I'm seeing at this debate.

[highplainsdem]

47. Judging by what I've heard so far, this debate isn't going to change anyone's mind.

[aikoaiko]

50. why not just stick your fingers in your ears and repeat nah-nah-nah while Bernie speaks?

[nolabear]

90. Really? I'm rather enjoying it. It's kind of quiet

but if they’ll get off the “woman can’t get elected” crap and back to policy I’m interested.

[nolabear]

45. Hmmmm...I'd like to see Klobuchar get more time.

[highplainsdem]

49. I would, too.

[nolabear]

51. As always I remember what adults sound like. Like this.

Up against the rankings of a madman. We need debates against that fool.

[highplainsdem]

53. Is Klobuchar wearing more makeup than usual? I can't recall noticing her makeup in earlier debates.

[nolabear]

55. I'm hung up on Steyer's. He needs some subtle blush.

[highplainsdem]

69. He does look pale.

[PatSeg]

61. That's because her makeup was more subtle

in previous debates. She is wearing more tonight or maybe someone else did her makeup.

[herding cats]

66. She's making a stronger impact visually.

Red clothing and the change in her makeup are to draw attention. I'm perfectly fine with it!

[dflprincess]

67. Whoever did her makeup tonight did an awful job

they really caked it on. I would suspect the lighting in the dressing room did not match the lights she's under now.

[brooklynite]

54. Observation: Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Warren are speaking to the moderator...

Steyer is speaking to the TV camera (e.g. the audience)

[Uncle Joe]

115. Good observation brooklynite. n/t

[Fiendish Thingy]

62. I liked Pete and Warren's CIC answers best, but was surprised NO ONE said...

“I would be a strong CIC because I’m not an impulsive narcissist who doesn’t read security briefings”, but perhaps that was implied in their answers...

[herding cats]

64. It's an easy out no one thought to take.

They're all too cerebral to go that route.

[highplainsdem]

65. Very effective story from Klobuchar about the plant she visited.

[brooklynite]

68. Words spoken in the first section

Joe Biden 1,208
Pete Buttigieg 818
Amy Klobuchar 770
Bernie Sanders 609
Elizabeth Warren 590
Tom Steyer 565

[PatSeg]

73. I wonder who counts them!

[brooklynite]

103. I'm guessing there are computers to do that...

[PatSeg]

109. Yeah I kind of figured that

It just struck me as funny when you posted it, especially so early in the debate. For a brief moment, I pictured someone counting the words. I'm getting tired!

[highplainsdem]

72. Here we go with the Warren/Sanders kerfuffle.

[Cha]

74. Oh yeah.. did the mod ask one of them

about it? Thanks.

[highplainsdem]

77. Asked Sanders first, and he denied it, and pointed to the video his campaign put out today.

[Cha]

108. Thanks.. I have to leave now..

but I'll check in later tonight to see how it went.

[elleng]

78. Yes, she asked Sens Sanders and Warren.

[highplainsdem]

81. Then asked Warren, and she gave the line about how the women on the stage haven't lost an election,

but the men have.

Really not the most logical argument. Was unimpressed by it the first time I heard it.

[MH1]

76. It's really stupid the way they brought it up

Warren is giving a good answer though.

[Wabbajack_]

95. Could it be a misunderstanding? Or is one of them lying?

I hate to think one of them is lying about what was said.

[MH1]

107. I don't much care, actually

I think it may have been a misinterpretation or mistaken memory of exact words type of thing. I doubt it is malicious lying.

That said I don't like the idea that Bernie may have been negative about Warren running just because she is a woman. But THAT said, Elizabeth is an adult and doesn't need Bernie's encouragement to convince her what to do. I personally think the bar is much higher for a woman (and probably an impossibly high bar for a gay person). So maybe Bernie just gave an honest assessment that agrees with my own. But, that doesn't mean someone shouldn't try. The glass ceiling needs to be broken sometime. But it should have been broken in 2016 and a little more leadership from Bernie might have made that happen.

[highplainsdem]

75. I do like Sanders' pledge to support the nominee.

[MH1]

80. Yes. I hope it is real support and that he leads his supporters strongly

But for him to say it as emphatically as he did is good. (Ok he says everything emphatically. Still good.)

[herding cats]

84. We shall see.

I want it to be a literal declaration so deeply.

[Hoyt]

79. He did it again. Sanders supports reducing Mexicans -- and poor workers worldwide -- to scabs.

This is the main reason I don't support Sanders and Warren -- except in General Elections.

It's America First, xenophobia, nationalism, greed, and worse because Sanders knows Mexico, small Asian countries, big ones like China with poor workers, etc., will never progress without our trade.

[3catwoman3]

83. I liked Warren's response about the only people on stage who have not...

...lost elections are the women.

I really do not like the very short time for the answers. It makes the moderators sound rude and dismissive when they cut the candidates off in mid-sentence.

[MH1]

88. I'm trying to figure out which election Steyer has lost

But that's okay

It's still a good line.

[phleshdef]

91. Its a good line but doesn't mean anything. Trump has never lost an election either.

Warren has only ran twice at this point.

[highplainsdem]

85. Good point from Biden aboit having the broadest coalition of any of the candidates.

[UniteFightBack]

86. He is the most seasoned at the highest level which is what we desperately need! nt

[MustLoveBeagles]

87. I tuned in late

What were the highlights?

[Quackers]

99. I liked when Sanders brought up when he beat a Republican in 1990.

You need to see video of it. It looked like a comedy skit between him and Warren.

[MustLoveBeagles]

104. Thanks

I'll have to look for that.

[dem4decades]

106. Warren was doing the math in her head. You could see the wheels turning.

[Beringia]

92. So Warren says Bernie said a woman can't win

One of them is not telling the truth or one of them is forgetting.

[Beringia]

96. Both of the women debate hosts look like newby lookers

[Blue_true]

101. What do you mean? nt

[Beringia]

112. They look in their 20s, new, and beauty contest winners

[Blue_true]

116. Generally people that get roles as debate moderators have

shown some type of chops gathering news or being involved with network discussion panels.

Also, why is it that women seem to get dismissed for being young looking and attractive while men with the same attributes are called hot or studs?

[Beringia]

117. One of them, Brianne Pfannenstiel works for Iowa Register I read

Do you really think she has chops? I sure don't.

Could you share a picture of one these hot young dudes from a news show? I don't recollect anyone like that.

[Blue_true]

118. Stone Phillips. There was and may be still is all types of rage about his looks.

There are others from the modern era, but their names aren't on the tip of my tongue.

The young woman is a news person in the state that will have a presidential caucus in less than a month. To me, her being a moderator is completely acceptable.

[Sparkly]

97. I LOVED Warren's reply about the strength women's political energy!!

She was spot on!!! I cheered.

[peggysue2]

98. Biden's experience and knowledge are on display

He worked on the Iran nuclear deal that Trump gleefully threw overboard. He worked to assemble the coalition of nations to defeat ISIS. He would not work with North Korea without preconditions after Trump has given Kim Jong-Un everything he wanted receiving nothing in return beyond a emboldened dictator and . . . the beat goes on beyond theory, beyond a single vote to hands-on experience in negotiating and getting things actually done.

This is Biden's advantage in questions regarding foreign policy. He's done the work, knows the people involved. Bernie might like to change the subject but the Iran brouhaha has put these questions on the front burner.

[Cha]

111. Mahalo for that, Peggysue.. I'm not watching

& have to leave now.. so I really appreciate it.

BS trying to change the subject?

[emmaverybo]

114. +10000

[highplainsdem]

102. DEBATE THREAD #2, link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287423766