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Uncle Joe

(58,424 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:13 PM Jan 2020

'CNN Is Truly a Terrible Influence on This Country': Democratic Debate Moderators



Pilloried for Centrist Talking Points and Anti-Sanders Bias

(snip)

As Common Dreams reported, the financial burden of deploying American forces was notably absent during first part of the debate—a lengthy discussion on foreign policy and war—but the moderators did ask candidates about the costs of implementing Medicare for All healthcare, as Sanders has proposed. That contrast, and the presentation of the healthcare questions, sparked swift condemnation from progressives.

Overall, a team of Rolling Stone writers called the debate moderators' questions "mystifyingly inane." In a piece titled "CNN Completely Botched the Democratic Presidential Debate," HuffPost's Zach Carter called them "awful." According to him, the debate on the whole was "tedious, interminable, frivolous... a fiasco of irrelevance held three weeks before the Iowa caucuses."

"Again and again, CNN anchors substituted centrist talking points for questions―and then followed up predictable responses with further centrist talking points, rarely illuminating any substantive disagreements between the candidates or problems with their policy positions," he wrote.

(snip)

The debate came just a day after CNN published what critics called a hit piece involving a private conversation between Sanders and Warren in 2018. Citing four unnamed sources—none of whom were in the room for the conversation—CNN reported that Sanders told Warren "he did not believe a woman could win" the presidential race. While Warren issued a statement after the story ran endorsing the findings of the report, Sanders has repeatedly denied it, including during the debate.

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/15/cnn-truly-terrible-influence-country-democratic-debate-moderators-pilloried-centrist



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'CNN Is Truly a Terrible Influence on This Country': Democratic Debate Moderators (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2020 OP
so rather than admit he had a so-so performance... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #1
How much is unending war costing our nation? CNN didn't care about that. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #3
so they hurt his fee-fee's? getagrip_already Jan 2020 #5
Simple highly relevant questions and a decent regard for justice or fair play, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #17
Nope, but... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #23
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #25
I don't care who you are - that's funny! n/t getagrip_already Jan 2020 #27
They spent the entire first 20 minutes or so talking about foreign policy. W_HAMILTON Jan 2020 #11
They never asked how much war costs, in blood or treasure. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #12
What the hell would the purpose be in asking a question like that? W_HAMILTON Jan 2020 #15
That is what I am seeing in several social media outlets. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #6
lol first it's complaints about media blackout and now about media attention. nt msongs Jan 2020 #2
Isn't that wild, the corporate media conglomerates just can't seem to find balance. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #4
CNN was biased, and their questions were terrible. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #7
The people dismissing these frustrations are living in a bubble. redqueen Jan 2020 #8
Bubbles can be comfortable until they pop and people realize Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #10
Well, it just popped for me. Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #24
They don't care so long as corporate interests reign supreme. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #26
The focus on whether millionaire's kids should get free college tuition- as if it makes a difference coti Jan 2020 #13
That was just a ploy to create division Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #14
Pretty much. It's a wedge issue, brought up for the sake of disagreement, with no genuine coti Jan 2020 #18
Too bad Yang wasn't there redqueen Jan 2020 #22
I liked his perspective in the other debates. JudyM Jan 2020 #37
He's pretty good at not dancing along with the media's crap. redqueen Jan 2020 #38
He did. I hope he gets a leadership position in the next Dem administration. JudyM Jan 2020 #39
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #16
People are fed up with it!! Rash attitudes lead to rash decisions...not what America needs Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #20
Recommended. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #19
CNN doesn't want change, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #28
And there are so very many of these commercials. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #30
It is amazing to consider that other countries consider Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #32
It ie only legal in New Zealand and the US. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #33
Well the corporate media conglomerates do need to make Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #34
awwwwwwwww Time2Breathe70 Jan 2020 #21
I can always use a hug Time2Breathe. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #29
Yeah baby. None of that winning people over shit, right? n/t Odoreida Jan 2020 #31
Will Sanders supporters ever be satisfied? maximusveritas Jan 2020 #35
"When did you stop beating our wife," Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #36
 

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
1. so rather than admit he had a so-so performance...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jan 2020

the story is that cnn was out to get him? By using centrist talking points?

What the heck is a centrist talking point and why would it be offensive?

Sorry, this is pathetic. Admit he didn't do well and commit to doing better.

And no, he didn't do so-so because they asked him questions he didn't agree with. He had the chance to point that out and didn't. He simply didn't have a grasp of foreign policy or the economy.

Warren seemed to handle the questions ok. She isn't exactly centrist. She is just talented.

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Uncle Joe

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3. How much is unending war costing our nation? CNN didn't care about that.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:25 PM
Jan 2020

They also didn't care about using the word "alleged."

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getagrip_already

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5. so they hurt his fee-fee's?
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jan 2020

It's not up to the moderators to care. It's up to the candidates to get their message across.

Liz did. Bernie not so much.

She seemed believable.

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Uncle Joe

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9. Simple highly relevant questions and a decent regard for justice or fair play,
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:33 PM
Jan 2020

is that too much to ask from any moderator or network holding a Presidential debate which in turn is viewed by the American People on deliberating for the most powerful office in the land?

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getagrip_already

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23. Nope, but...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:09 PM
Jan 2020

Getting upset because a question you wanted to answer wasnt worded correctly seems rmo to me.

I used to joke i would have gotten straight a's if they would have only asked me the right questions on the exams.

Alas, i had to answer the stupid questions they asked.....

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getagrip_already

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27. I don't care who you are - that's funny! n/t
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:26 PM
Jan 2020
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W_HAMILTON

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11. They spent the entire first 20 minutes or so talking about foreign policy.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:37 PM
Jan 2020

Did you even watch the debate?

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Uncle Joe

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12. They never asked how much war costs, in blood or treasure.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:38 PM
Jan 2020

I watched all of it.

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W_HAMILTON

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15. What the hell would the purpose be in asking a question like that?
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jan 2020

I want to know where the candidates stand on foreign policy issues -- not for them to regurgitate facts that I can look up online myself.

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Eliot Rosewater

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6. That is what I am seeing in several social media outlets.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jan 2020

Boy we better just be prepared for a repeat of something

I only saw parts, I am assuming he was given much less time to talk than the rest, because that is the only stat that matters in a debate.

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msongs

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2. lol first it's complaints about media blackout and now about media attention. nt
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:24 PM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

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4. Isn't that wild, the corporate media conglomerates just can't seem to find balance. n/t
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jan 2020
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Sloumeau

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7. CNN was biased, and their questions were terrible.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jan 2020

I always hate the CNN debates, because they are always asking one candidate a question that is trying to stir them up against another candidate:

"Senator Warren, exactly how long has Senator Sanders been a misogynist?"

"Senator Sanders, how long have you thought that Senator Warren should be home baking cookies instead of serving in the Senate?"

Good golly, their questions were terrible.

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redqueen

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8. The people dismissing these frustrations are living in a bubble.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jan 2020

Please talk to dem-leaning independents, or people you assume are dems, and find out what they think about the debate and our leading candidates.

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Uncle Joe

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10. Bubbles can be comfortable until they pop and people realize
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:36 PM
Jan 2020

there is no there there,



then it's a free fall, that's how Trump came to power in the first place.

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Aaron Pereira

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24. Well, it just popped for me.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jan 2020

Insincere charges of sexism are going to have a corrosive effect on party unity in November. Party politics are one thing but this is a bridge too far.

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Uncle Joe

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26. They don't care so long as corporate interests reign supreme.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:25 PM
Jan 2020

For all the professional wrestling vitriol they use against Trump, it's just largely for show so long as a true President for the people doesn't come to power.

I'm convinced the vast majority of the corporate media conglomerates would prefer having Trump in the White House versus Bernie.

Corporate supremacy is alive and well.

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coti

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13. The focus on whether millionaire's kids should get free college tuition- as if it makes a difference
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:38 PM
Jan 2020

either way, to anyone- was inane.

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Uncle Joe

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14. That was just a ploy to create division
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:39 PM
Jan 2020

as if Trump doesn't do it enough.

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coti

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18. Pretty much. It's a wedge issue, brought up for the sake of disagreement, with no genuine
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:43 PM
Jan 2020

value and certainly no relevance to the future of our country. I was wishing a candidate had called out the question as ridiculous and pivoted to something that mattered.

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redqueen

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22. Too bad Yang wasn't there
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:52 PM
Jan 2020
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JudyM

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37. I liked his perspective in the other debates.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:30 PM
Jan 2020
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redqueen

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38. He's pretty good at not dancing along with the media's crap.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:55 PM
Jan 2020

Every stupid question they asked was met with a look making it clear how ridiculous he thought the question was, and he did his best to try to use the opportunity to redirect to something of substance.

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JudyM

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39. He did. I hope he gets a leadership position in the next Dem administration.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:59 PM
Jan 2020
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Thekaspervote

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20. People are fed up with it!! Rash attitudes lead to rash decisions...not what America needs
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:47 PM
Jan 2020

It will be great when sanders goes home to VT

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guillaumeb

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19. Recommended.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:45 PM
Jan 2020

All part of framing the narrative to exclude the change we need to solve the problems.

This was no accident.

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Uncle Joe

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28. CNN doesn't want change,
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020

they're making megabucks under the current dysfunctional system, so what if 30,000 Americans die every year because of lack of health insurance and hundreds of thousands declare medical related bankruptcy every year.

CNN can still sell big pharma commercials.

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guillaumeb

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30. And there are so very many of these commercials.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:52 PM
Jan 2020

Illegal in nearly every country.

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Uncle Joe

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32. It is amazing to consider that other countries consider
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:03 PM
Jan 2020

that to be illegal.

I wonder what their reasoning is?

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guillaumeb

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33. It ie only legal in New Zealand and the US.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jan 2020

There is no reason to air these commercials, other than to drive demand for high priced drugs.

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Uncle Joe

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34. Well the corporate media conglomerates do need to make
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:13 PM
Jan 2020

some serious mega-bucks...so there's that.

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Uncle Joe

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29. I can always use a hug Time2Breathe.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:40 PM
Jan 2020

welcome to D.U.

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Odoreida

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31. Yeah baby. None of that winning people over shit, right? n/t
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:02 PM
Jan 2020
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maximusveritas

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35. Will Sanders supporters ever be satisfied?
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:17 PM
Jan 2020

Any tough question is seized on as evidence of bias, while ignoring all the other questions that put other candidates on the spot.
Bernie got to speak the most at the last debate and was a close 2nd to Warren this time.
How can you complain so much when you are given ample chance to answer every question? If he failed to do so, that was his fault

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Uncle Joe

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36. "When did you stop beating our wife,"
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:25 PM
Jan 2020

that's the kind of questions financially conflict of interest laden corporate media conglomerate CNN asked of Bernie.

The primary issue is not answers but the one sided questions asked.

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