Just curious: What were the 10 losses of the men on the stage?

[question everything]

I suppose Sanders lost the 2016 nomination and Biden the 2008? And Butigieg the Indiana State treasurer but what else?

[RandySF]

1. Let's see

1. Bernie lost his first race for Congress in 1988 (1) and the 2016 race for POTUS (2).
2. Joe lost two races for president (4).
3. Pete lost a race for statewide office in Indiana (5).


That's all I remember.

[blm]

4. Pete lost election for DNC chair to Perez.

[former9thward]

22. That is not an election involving average voters.

Which is what Warren was trying to imply. Are you going to include his loss for 7th grade student body president? I expect that is next....

[LanternWaste]

27. Or what you're trying to infer.

"Which is what Warren was trying to imply..."

[democrattotheend]

6. Biden didn't run in 2016

He didn't run in the primaries or the general. Did you mean 2008?

[RandySF]

7. Joe ran for 1988 (drop out in '87) and 2008.

[democrattotheend]

14. I know. But someone said he ran in 2016

Which he didn't, I think mostly because of the death of his son.

[George II]

20. Technically neither one of those was an "election", he dropped out months before the Iowa caucus....

....in 1988. And as it turned out, if he stayed in that one he probably would have died from the aneurysm. If he was running around the country in May 1988, he wouldn't have been around a hospital that could have performed the surgery.

I remember reading somewhere, maybe it was his biography (BTW, that's a great book!) that dropping out was a God-send.

[hlthe2b]

2. Biden ran in 1988 as well. Sanders ran for a number of things unsuccessfully in Vermont before

becoming mayor of Burlington in 1981.

That's the extent of my knowledge.

[W_HAMILTON]

3. Oh honey, let me tell you.

I looked this up earlier because I was curious myself:

Pete Buttigieg (one loss)
2010 Lost race for Indiana state treasurer against Republican incumbent Richard Mourdock

Joe Biden (two losses)
1988 Ran and lost for president
2008 Ran and lost for president

Sanders (seven losses)
1972 Lost U.S. Senate special election (running on the Liberty Union party line)
1972 Lost election for Vermont governor (running on the Liberty Union party line)
1974 Lost Senate election (running on the Liberty Union party line)
1976 Lost gubernatorial election (running on the Liberty Union party line)
1986 Lost election for Vermont governor (running as an independent)
1988 Lost U.S. House election to incumbent Republican Rep. Peter Smith
2016 Ran and lost for president

Warren with that delayed shade that you don't even realize till the next day, haha.

[question everything]

9. Oh my

Is this is why he is always so angry? Waving his arms, pounding the podium?

[iamthebandfanman]

18. what an

intelligent post that added to the conversation...
Oh wait..

[question everything]

26. Hit too close to home?

[BooScout]

31. You want me to lend you my sharp stick?

[oldsoftie]

24. Thats because he knows he's likely to lose again.

Because the US isnt going to vote for him

[George II]

10. Biden actually wasn't in those two presidential elections, he was in the primaries and dropped out..

....both times before the election took place. The first time he dropped out in 1987 months before the first contest, and in 2008 he did "lose" the Iowa Caucus, which technically isn't an election, then he dropped out.

But, if we're including primaries and caucuses, though, Sanders lost about 35.

[Blue_true]

19. Dropping out because there is no way to win counts as a loss. nt

[George II]

21. That's not really true. If someone opens an "exploratory" committee and then decides not to run....

...is that a loss too?

I don't think primaries really count as "elections", they determine if a candidate can qualify for an election. If a primary counts, then Warren way underestimated the number of elections everyone lost (Sanders alone lost about 35 in 2016)

[IronLionZion]

11. So only 3 losses in the last 30 years

There was some stuff where Sanders had defeated a Republican but it didn't count because it was 30 years ago.

[highplainsdem]

12. That 1990 election was November 1990, so 10 months less than 30 years ago.

Thirty years ago was January 1990.

So Sanders was right and Warren was wrong there.

[IronLionZion]

16. Warren wanted to deliver a memorable feminist talking point

and she got it. No one will remember that she was 10 months off.

And none of this nonsense helps either candidate. It's good that the primaries are starting now since these debates are less useful.

[The Valley Below]

28. Sanders may find it inconvenient to have how he won that seat (with the backing of the NRA)

become part of today's political conversation.

Just saying.

[BlueMTexpat]

29. Thanks for posting this!

I was curious too!

[BlueMTexpat]

32. What is also interesting about this is that

it shows how Sanders seems to change his political spots in order to win an election!

About the Liberty Union Party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Union_Party

Platform of the LUP, as amended: https://www.libertyunionparty.org/?page_id=5

[Harker]

5. Virginity?

Hair?

[BlueMTexpat]

30. ...

[George II]

8. As far as I know Joe Biden never lost an election, but she was lumping them all together....

...so even if 2 of them never lost an election, if the other two lost say 6 and 4, that's "10" for all four.

It was a sneaky shot at a couple of them. Steyer has never been in an election and Biden never lost an election. In fact, Biden has won nine elections - one for New Castle County Council, six for Senator and two for Vice President.

I don't think entering and then dropping out of two primary campaigns would be included. Even so, he never really lost a primary either - he dropped out in 1987 from the 1988 primary campaign and then dropped out in 2008 after the Iowa caucus and before the first primary in New Hampshire.

[highplainsdem]

15. As I've said elsewhere, I didn't think it was a good argument for her to make. It sounds rather

clever when you first hear it (and I first ran across this argument months ago, and laughed the first time), but as soon as you start thinking about how many more elections the men on the stage had been in, and how many they'd won -- not to mention the time frame Warren added to shut out Sanders' 1990 win (though she was off by ten months there, given the Nov. 1990 election date) -- it starts to look silly.

She has a real record to run on. Trying to belittle her male rivals this way doesn't help her. Possibly hurts her with male voters.

[vsrazdem]

13. But it was good TV, so there's that.

[Blue_true]

17. Bernie lost several early races in Vermont. Biden has run for President more than twice.

I don't know about Steyer's political career, he could have run for city or county offices before.

[oldsoftie]

25. Steyer was too busy maiking most of his billion off of coal & private prisons. No elections

He just likes to call it "hedge fund management"

[Demsrule86]

23. Biden lost some presidential primaries...the first being 88 ...don't know how many.