Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHow a Sanders debate-watch party reacted to Warren's attacks
DES MOINES They clapped and cheered for Sen. Elizabeth Warren as if she was their chosen candidate, until they didnt.
At a watch party for supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders in Des Moines on Tuesday, the tide turned halfway through the debate when Warren (D-Mass.) was asked about the public feud that has dominated the campaign in the last 48 hours between her and Sanders (I-Vt.) over her claims that he told her in a private conversation last year that a female candidate couldnt win the presidency.
The Sanders watch party, held in a private event space in downtown Des Moines, went silent as the dispute came up. Supporters cheered as Sanders denied saying that a woman couldnt win, but when Warren doubled down, many in the room gasped in shock, stunned at the collapse of what they viewed an unspoken alliance between the two most liberal candidates in the race.
After that, many supporters groaned or even booed when Warrens face popped up on the television screen for the rest of the night an even more hostile reaction than the one given to other candidates such as former vice president Joe Biden and former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg, candidates that are very unpopular in Bernie world.
I just honestly cant believe it, said Renee Hessing, a 30-year-old substitute teacher from Des Moines. She caucused for Sanders in 2016 and is strongly supporting his candidacy again but had a soft spot for Warren, hopeful that at least one of the liberal candidates in the race could succeed.
Even though it was a pipe dream, she had dreamed of a possible Sanders-Warren ticket. I love them both, she said.
But Warrens decision to double down on her claim was, in Hessings view, a total misstep, one she said would probably prove damaging among legions of Sanders supporters, who would see her action as a betrayal. The way Warren handled it, she said, seemed designed to prolong the drama. Its like a fight you have with your boyfriend, and youre like, I dont want to talk about it anymore right after you say something offensive, and it just doesnt stop, she said. The fight gets worse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/15/how-sanders-debate-watch-party-reacted-warrens-attacks/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lees1975
(3,860 posts)Come on, folks, get a grip. Do you want to see Donald Trump win a second term? The Republican social media ads are already wooing Bernie supporters. I mean, really, this isn't rocket science. Take your football, go home, don't vote and you won't have to worry about ever participating in another election because there won't be any more if that orange headed buffoon gets back in there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
roody
(10,849 posts)has resorted to dirty tricks. I expected better of her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)This is pretty low for Warren and I always loved her.
First the BS wine cellar claim on Pete and now this. Im losing respect for Warren and I dont want to.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Reality is that those who like Sanders and Warren would almost all vote for Sanders.
Two other realities are
* Sanders repels a significant majority of voters.
* The electorate doesn't need two Sanders, they need The Real Elizabeth Warren as a very different choice.
The upshot is that Warren and the voters have been injured by her portrayal as like Sanders, politically and ideologically, when she's actually very, very different.
Side note: These people set themselves up. It's great to be involved, not so much to have no real idea who their candidates are and what they believe. (AND to be able to infer their relationship a bit more realistically from that.)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/elizabeth_warren/412542
Sanders is that gray dot on the left margin. Warren is within the large mainstream middle who work together and is a genuine member of the leadership, marked for continued rise to top leadership if she remains in the senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
fallout87
(819 posts)is looking awfully staged (by her) to me. She's trying to propel herself by this last minute grenade she threw in the ring.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)And I say that as a HUGE Warren fan.
BTW, I thought your candidate debated well last night, perhaps, his best performance to date.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Honesty is an important trait in a politician.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/
https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/dec/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-twice-claim-about-defense-bud/
https://www.politifact.com/health-check/statements/2019/sep/13/bernie-sanders/do-50-million-people-really-lose-health-coverage-e/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jul/12/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-said-huge-percentage-walmart-worker/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jul/22/bernie-sanders/do-studies-show-middle-class-families-would-save-3/
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-repeats-false-claim-about-backgroun/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/18/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-voter-turnout-hit-20-year-low/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)I have faith she will carry on her agenda which she has repeatedly declared and will not soft-evolve.
She is exactly what this country needs after 4 years of Trumpism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
She has the ability to learn from her mistakes, and doesn't double down on them. She has the intellectual agility to look at new data, and change her mind if the data show something new. She doesn't equate a rigidity in ideas with "ethics," which some use to avoid having to stay informed on topics. or change their stump speech any more than one word, like "millionaires."
She is confident enough to say that she's not informed enough about a question to comment on it, unlike some other candidates, so she'll make fewer gaffes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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boomer_wv
(673 posts)The progressive wing of the party is completely fractured right now. They are kind of being forced to decide which team they are going to be on.
This is going to be very interesting in the caucus. There are going to be districts where either Warren or Sanders don't hit 15% and will be forced to join another group. Before they would probably have largely, not entirely, gained the others supporters. Now, I don't think so. Strong Bernie voters now that have to pick another candidate might pic Biden out of spite for Warren, or Warren supporters might go to Pete instead, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
roody
(10,849 posts)Bernie's support.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
boomer_wv
(673 posts)15% in every district? His polling average is about 20 right now, so it's very unlikely that he doesn't have caucuses where he is under 15% in the first round.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)After this I feel like when the primary comes to PA and if the top 2 are Warren and Biden im supporting Biden. And I aligned with and loved Warren.
She has turned me against her
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
delisen
(6,044 posts)Oddly many of the Sanders supporters I have met who are women are quite patriarchal in their personal lives and their politics.
I keep trying to find the revolutionaries....
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ritapria
(1,812 posts)If Bernie is no longer a viable candidate when my state votes , I am going for Joe . He would never do this to a friend in order to seek higher office .He is a good guy .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)disputes with world leaders that really matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
neither one of them is looking good
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,304 posts)"misstep".. I'm glad she called him out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
fallout87
(819 posts)She waited till a day before the debate to release info she's had for a year? hmmmmmmmm
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)that had hit the Press two days earlier. When he didn't she released her information on his view of female candidates for President. So her timing was driven more by Bernie's failure to denounce the campaign talking points memo than it was by when the debate would happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,389 posts)The honeymoon is over.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)Thanks for the thread RandySF.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)Some still acting like immature adolescents.
It is time for
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)There's so much more to the Democratic party, and the country as a whole.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
judeling
(1,086 posts)As Klobuchar had done before with her "a women mayor", Warren's campaign put it out before the debate allowing Sanders to form a response. It was Sanders who decided to up the ante.
I find the reactions to both relatively mild attacks/contrasts as illuminating in respect to gender expectations.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)These people need to grow up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)Warren's delegates should swear that they would vote for Bernie at the convention.
I'll bet that viewing party suddenly realized that that plan wasn't going to come to fruition.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided