Sanders' wife on feud with Warren: 'This discussion is over'

[George II]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Jane O’Meara Sanders, the wife of Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, has a clear message about the simmering dispute between her husband and Elizabeth Warren: It’s over.

O’Meara Sanders defended her husband’s integrity during a Wednesday interview, but she declined to attack Warren — or inflame the feud in any way — a day after the Massachusetts senator reiterated during a nationally televised debate that Sanders, a Vermont senator, told her privately that a woman couldn’t defeat President Donald Trump.

“I think that this discussion is over,” O’Meara Sanders told The Associated Press.

The leading liberal presidential contenders have been trying to de-escalate the feud almost since Warren inexplicably made the explosive allegation on the eve of this week’s debate, claiming that Sanders questioned the viability of a female presidential candidate during a private conversation in 2018. The subsequent attempts to tamp down the conflict, from the candidates on the debate stage Tuesday night and from their chief surrogates on Wednesday, reflect the dangerous stakes surrounding a fight that threatens to tear apart the Democratic Party’s progressive base less than three weeks before presidential primary voting begins.

O’Meara Sanders said their campaign has no interest in promoting divisions “like Trump does by gender, race or ethnicity.”

https://apnews.com/e5e6205a7b7a82c88400faac1bed5dc9

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“I think that this discussion is over,” O’Meara Sanders told The Associated Press.

In other words, "we're not going to admit he was wrong."

"O’Meara Sanders said their campaign has no interest in promoting divisions..."

REALLY? She should take a gander at Nina Turner's or David Sirota's or Briahna Gray's twitter accounts, rife with promoting divisions. They're the campaign's TOP spokespeople, and they thrive on divisiveness!

[RandySF]

1. Sure it is.

[Mike 03]

53. Usually when someone declares, "This discussion is over", that's the signal

that it's just beginning.

[renate]

103. or that they're losing

Full disclosure: I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. I think he's a good guy. All his life he's walked the walk. (And I think the whole thing with Elizabeth is 100% a misunderstanding--he probably said he didn't think a woman could win against Trump, because with Trump's contempt for women no holds would be barred, and Elizabeth misunderstood it as saying that a woman couldn't win the presidency. There is no way Bernie would have said that.)

I like Bernie very much. But damn does he have terrible taste in surrogates and high-level employees. To the point where I think some of them really are let-the-world-burn if it's anybody but him.

And with this misleading video of Biden coming right after the thing with Warren... they're right to want to let it go, but only because it's starting to look bad for them.

[spooky3]

2. So, when can we expect a response from Warren's husband? Nt

[George II]

5. Bazinga!

[BlueMTexpat]

6. ...

[betsuni]

21. Ha!

[getagrip_already]

3. seems we have a chaos candidate.....

of our very own.

[oasis]

4. E.W. to Bernie:"I think you called me a liar on national T.V.".

She repeated it before Bernie turned away.

CNN released the audio.

[George II]

10. And then when Steyer, always the gentleman, said "I just want to say hi", Sanders grunted....

..."yeah good, okay", turned and walked away.

[oasis]

11. I'm told Bernie was able rake in huge contributions because of

that dust up.

[sheshe2]

23. I loved what Steyer did there.

He tried to diffuse the situation.

BS...welp.

[trueblue2007]

46. i thought Steyer was rude, he should have let them discuss the issue. Instead he butted in where

he was not wanted. They didn't ask for Steyers involvement.

[spooky3]

67. I disagree. I think he was aware of the hot mic and feared they might not be. He was not

the slightest bit rude.

[babylonsister]

7. It should be over.

Enemy = this asshole in the wh

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

80. THIS... emphasis on the word "SHOULD." So, look to see who seeks to keep this going.

It should be obvious to all.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Thekaspervote]

8. Not surprising!!

[Cha]

9. uh huh

[oasis]

12. I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary has a private phone chat with E.W.

in the near future.

[blm]

13. I heard that they've been talking quite a bit for many months

[oasis]

14. "I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they talk about this dust up"

[blm]

15. I think the two of them talk serious policy more than anything else,

And this would just be a blip. They are both major wonknerds. Heh. I like that in a Dem.

[betsuni]

22. A good bottle of beer for Elizabeth and a nice Chardonnay for Hillary...

Oooooooh, how I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that!

[DURHAM D]

16. Have you seen this ?

Link to tweet

I have always hated this slob. He is not getting a good response on twitter.

[oasis]

17. I'm done with Michael Moore. He's worthless.

[BannonsLiver]

19. Michael Moore is a relic.

A has been. A shit for brains. A 65 year old man in the uniform of a disheveled 15 year old boy from the 1980s. He’s a daily embarrassment to himself.

[sheshe2]

24. MM

[LisaM]

77. Wait, WHAT?

C'mon, Michael. Just come ON.

[BannonsLiver]

18. Now Jane is mansplaining when and where Sen. Warren can air her very justified grievances.

[vsrazdem]

20. She did not help herself or women by that display after the debate. This should have been

done privately.

[sheshe2]

25. Really?

Perhaps he should not have, by denial, called her a liar during the debate.

[vsrazdem]

26. Her behavior was not presidential. It should have been done in private. Maybe she shouldn't have

leaked a story that she had to know he was going to deny. She was my second choice, and I am definitely questioing her judgment now.

[sheshe2]

27. She leaked the story?

You have a link to that?

You do not know my Senator very well. Have you met her? I have.

[vsrazdem]

28. Even Nate Silver thinks she leaked the story.

[sheshe2]

29. He thinks she did?

Thinks?

Alrighty then it must be true. Would you please link to where he thinks she leaked the story?

TIA

[vsrazdem]

31. Its on his twitter feed, but sent you another one.

[vsrazdem]

30. FYI

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/erin-burnett-calls-out-warren-for-trying-to-shut-down-report-on-sanders-clearly-leaked-by-her-team-to-cnnwhy-is-she-pumping-the-brakes-now/

Erin Burnett called out candidate Elizabeth Warren for trying to shut down media coverage of the story that Bernie Sanders told her a woman couldn’t beat President Donald Trump in 2020, even though “it was clearly leaked by her team to CNN.”

[sheshe2]

35. Okay then.

SHE did not leak it as you stated.

vsrazdem (1,625 posts)
26. Her behavior was not presidential. It should have been done in private. Maybe she shouldn't have

leaked a story that she had to know he was going to deny. She was my second choice, and I am definitely questioing her judgment now.

You see how these rumors start

vsrazdem
30. FYI

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/erin-burnett-calls-out-warren-for-trying-to-shut-down-report-on-sanders-clearly-leaked-by-her-team-to-cnnwhy-is-she-pumping-the-brakes-now/

Erin Burnett called out candidate Elizabeth Warren for trying to shut down media coverage of the story that Bernie Sanders told her a woman couldn’t beat President Donald Trump in 2020, even though “it was clearly leaked by her team to CNN.”

One of her team did.

Okay this is making more sense. You claimed she leaked it to make Bernie look bad. Now you post that it was one of her team. You are claiming she herself leaked it and are now questioning her judgment and since she was your second choice you are having second thoughts for something she never did.

*facepalm*

[vsrazdem]

37. Oki doki then. I see the double standard here. When Bernie's team does somthing its

Bernie did it, but when Warren's team does it, its her team. Let me make a correction. Her CAMPAIGN/TEAM leaked the story.

[blm]

41. His CAMPAIGN/TEAM planted a conspiracy theory for his base

supporters to spread and let the lies spread by the millions before they were forced to admit the truth that they lied.

Planting a false story is so much nicer and fairer than leaking a true one, eh?

[sheshe2]

87. +1000

[blm]

32. Who was she before this? A woman who spent 40yrs researching and

studying the injustices of this nation’s economic system.

You think Bernie only met Warren when she became senator? Sanders 2016 economic platform is based in the decades of research and workproduct of those who influenced him over the years, including Professor Elizabeth Warren.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=425840

"The Case For Elizabeth Warren"...

Excellent article in a series by Vox...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/15/21054083/elizabeth-warren-2020-democratic-primary

just a taste:

It was Warren, in her 2004 book The Two-Income Trap, who recast the state of the American middle class. Those rising incomes? The result of families sending women into the workforce, which meant they now needed to pay for child care and had fewer options for rescue if anything happened to the primary breadwinner. Those cheap consumer goods? They didn’t make up for the rising cost of housing, health insurance, and child care. And that informational plenty? It hadn’t stopped predatory industries from bilking ordinary Americans.


a little more-

In 2010, the Roosevelt Institute held a conference at which Warren spoke, and the think tank released an e-book, with the stirring title “Make Markets Be Markets.” Warren was, at this point, pushing for the creation of a consumer protection agency. Willing a new federal agency into being is the kind of political project that can take generations. Congressional chairs and even US presidents spend their careers fighting, and failing, to achieve more modest institutional reforms. Warren faced yet longer odds. Her power was informal. She wasn’t a US senator, a Cabinet secretary, or the president. She controlled no committees, commanded no voting blocs, owned no budgets, was the key vote on no legislation.

[blm]

34. I call baloney. She had every right to approach him. His team quickly planted

a bogus story on social media to cover up that the script dissing her was given to canvassers on Saturday morning by campaign organizers. For two days the conspiracy nut faction spread the idea that the script was anonymously posted on a Bernie board and Warren herself was being accused of setting Bernie up with that script.

Two days later the Sanders camp admitted the script was given to the canvassers by the campaign.

Why didn’t the campaign apologize to Warren AND to Sanders for the script on Saturday instead of planting a conspiracy theory story? They know a faction of their supporters subscribe to the Pizzagate and Seth Rich murdered by Clinton conspiracies. They chose to gin things up with that planted story.

Warren’s probably going to have to wear a bullet-proof vest for the rest of the campaign because of the deceitful manipulations of those running the social media actions for the Sanders camp.

Warren SHOULD be pissed.

Sanders needs to rein in the darker forces who are part of his campaign team.

[vsrazdem]

36. She didn't have to do it in public.

[blm]

38. You only want to see her as the bad guy in this whole episode.

Go ahead....suit yourself. I think she earned the right to call him on ALL of what transpired since Saturday morning. The millions of postings used to attack her since Saturday certainly are public attacks.

[vsrazdem]

39. I didn't say she didn't have a right to call him on it. It isn't fair, but women are set up to a

higher standard than the men, and she didn't do woman any favors by displaying her anger in public. It was a stupid move on her part. That is what really angered me, more than the story itself.

[blm]

40. I highly doubt she was aware a mic was on.

Can’t you admit that Sanders was wrong to let conspiracy theories run amok for 2 days because his camp didn’t want to admit the truth? They planted a conspiracy theory knowing full well there is a group of zealots amongst their supporters who are obsessive nuts.

His camp is setting her up for an assassination attempt with all the vitriol they ginned up, IMO. Whether they realize it or not. It’s on them.

[vsrazdem]

50. This is not even about the story of he said, she said. This is about the fact that she could not

control her anger in public. Whether the mic was on or not, other people were there, you could see it in her body language, the anger was palpable in her voice. When Hillary was on that stage with Trump, she got 10 times worse than what Warren got on Tuesday, and not once did I ever see her get angry. She laughed it off, brushed of her shoulder and moved on. That is presidential. If she can't control her anger in public with a colleague, how is she ever going to handle Trump. It just really angered me after how far we (women) have had to come to finally start being taken seriously as a presidential candidate, and she brings us back to those old stereotypes about how woman can't control their emotions.

[blm]

51. Sanders was a friend who betrayed her. Trump was a buffoon to dismiss

on stage.

Of course, in hindsight, many people thought Hillary should have gotten mad at him to brush him back visibly.


But, hey, you stick to enjoying the lies the Sanders camp told for 2 days to misdirect their supporters away from a truth that would have nipped the conflict bud. When one of your zealot faction targets Warren’s life you can console yourself by remembering that she DID get angry.

[ehrnst]

70. Yes, and she should smile more...

[George II]

83. She was fully in control of her emotions - she wasn't yelling or pointing or anything....

...she was forcefully expressing her concern that Sanders called her a liar. There's another "stereotype" about women, they should just sit in the corner and be quiet. Thankfully Warren wasn't having any part of that, just like Hillary Clinton. Remember her in 1992 when she spoke about NOT sitting home and baking cookies (and got bashed about it)?

[yardwork]

57. What anger did Warren display? I see no anger from her.

Are we watching the same clip?

[vsrazdem]

64. Yes, we did not see the same thing, obviously.

[yardwork]

66. I'm listening. Please tell me where you saw Warren express the kind of anger you allege.

I see her walk down the line of people, shaking hands and saying a few words. When she gets to Bernie Sanders, she clasps her hands together in front of her and speaks quietly to him. We now know that she said "I think you called me a liar on national TV." She then stands motionless and lets Sanders respond. In response to his suggestion that they discuss it later she says, "Anytime." She remains motionless, with her hands clasped loosely together. Her body language is calm, nonaggressive, respectful but firm.

In contrast, Sanders shakes his finger in her face, speaks angrily, and then stalks off.

[Maru Kitteh]

61. That is one deep bucket of misogynistic clap-trap right there. She should have KEPT QUIET, be a

good girl, don't disturb the boys, and CERTAINLY don't embarrass them in public. I know it's not fair honey, but you have to be better than men. You have to step aside and let the boy shine, okay? Oh, and BTW, you're only hurting WOMEN with you "DISPLAY" of assertiveness and strengh.

Fuck that shit. Bernie Sanders needs to go make Warren a sandwich, then he should sit quietly at her side and try learning something.

[vsrazdem]

63. Okay, this 66 YO woman who marched for women's rights is a mysogynist. I have an an opinion

that differs from yours, that's it, so yes, Fuck that mysogynistic shit.

[ehrnst]

71. Well, now, being a woman"who marched for women's rights" makes one immune to misogyny?

Good to know.

[sheshe2]

96. +1000

Right there. You nailed it.

[TwilightZone]

81. "displaying her anger in public"

Which Sanders does in pretty much every public appearance. So, as for that higher standard you're calling unfair, you might want to consider that you're helping perpetuate it.

I also find it interesting when people take more issue with the fact that she responded than with the possibility that Sanders made the remark in the first place.

[sheshe2]

42. He did it in public.

[ehrnst]

73. +1000.

[George II]

76. They're both running around the country in different directions. They were both in the same room...

...on Tuesday night, and she doesn't do such things on twitter like Turner, Sirota, even Jane do!

There was no better opportunity for her to express her anger about the cheap shot(s) he and his staff took.

[Bummfuzzle]

44. Warren was calm. Warren was even handed. Sanders was the one "emotional".

Women are held to a higher standard. She addressed her issue in a professional manner and she is reduced to a mom or teacher scolding by you. Dare a woman to stand up for herself and she is the one to be blamed.

[yardwork]

56. Warren controlled her emotions very well. Sanders not so much.

Warren kept her hands and body still and her voice low. Sanders, in contrast, shook his finger in her face, raised his voice at her, and then abruptly stalked off.

[vsrazdem]

58. Her body language was obvious, the anger in her voice was palpable. She did not control her

emotions well at all.

[yardwork]

59. Yeah, I don't see that at all.

To me, she looks calm and firm.

[Maru Kitteh]

62. You know! She needed to SMILE more and be sweet! Apologize and wait patiently!

Talk softly, look at the floor, be meek. Don't bother the men or make them feel bad feels. God forbid a woman should make a man have any bad feels. That's not being a good girl.


ALL THE SAME BULLSHIT we've heard since history began.

[Bummfuzzle]

65. Smile. That was her failure, she was suppose to smile to make herself prettier when addressing

a man and him calling her a liar on national tv.

[ehrnst]

74. An irrational woman?

Where have we heard that before?

[SunSeeker]

95. Wow, vsrazdem, you take such a harsh view of Warren's measured tone, but let Sanders skate.

He's the one who walked off in a huff when she spoke to him after the debate. He's the one who had just basically called her a liar on national tv during a debate watched by millions. But you're not mad at him. No, you're mad at HER.

[BannonsLiver]

54. Well it seems like Bernie isn't alone in having that attitude

[nini]

88. Lololol

I thought she should have blasted his ass during the debate for everyone to see and hear.

[R B Garr]

45. Yes, the wifey is sent out to handle the little women's

business. How utterly insulting.

[betsuni]

47. +1

[sheshe2]

98. Not just wife.

Nina and Bri.

Three skirts for him to stand behind.

[R B Garr]

100. Great point, she. Sanders should have handled this

directly.

BTW, AM Joy had a segment about the body language of Warren and Bernie which confirmed Bernie was lying. She called it “turtling” — Sanders shrinking when confronted by Warren. Warren totally owned that moment. A debate moment for the ages!

[sheshe2]

102. I heard about that.

Unfortunately I missed the show this weekend.

[mtmirror]

48. That's not "mansplaining" at all.

Mansplaining is used derisively to describe a man explaining something to a woman they already know in a patronizing way. Sander's wife is a woman, stating her opinion on the topic - that's it. I'm tired of the overuse of this term to the point people are now using it for women they don't agree with. It's absurd, and ironic in this case, since the term was originally meant to highlight how men sometimes shut down conversation in preference for their own viewpoints.

[BannonsLiver]

52. Uh huh

[yardwork]

55. It is when the male candidate sends his wife in as his surrogate.

It's absolutely mansplaining. Jane is speaking on behalf of her husband, the candidate.

[sheshe2]

99. uummm

[ehrnst]

94. A woman scolding other women on a man's behalf isn't new.

It avoids the problematic optics of a man who waves the flag of feminism doing it on his own behalf.

Link to tweet

[tishaLA]

43. Her imperiousness is boundless

I think it will be finished when Sen Warren says it is.

[George II]

60. They want to end it because they were wrong and rude about it. You're right...

...when Warren wants it over it will be. But she's the "aggrieved party", he was the "aggriever", so he and Jane want to let it go.

[NYMinute]

49. That whole campaign seems to have one goal

That is to kneecap all the Democrats.

Good for Senator Warren to call him out and timing it perfectly while cameras were rolling to make sure he doesn't get away with it like he has been.

[George II]

68. Here's a typical tweet from Sirota, all lies. THIS is what causes incidents like what we saw:

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

72. +1

[oasis]

69. Mrs. Sanders gets to say when discussions are over. Alrighty then.

[George II]

75. If he's elected, I guess she'll either be Chief of Staff or Secretary of State?

[The Valley Below]

85. Not Sec. of the Treasury?

[George II]

86. .

[oasis]

92. Jeff Weaver will be Chief of Staff, Nina Turner Sec. Of State.

Jane would be a better fit as as Sec. of Education since she has experience with the running (sp)of Burlington College.

[Cha]

78. lol.. because she says so?

[Kurt V.]

79. it is

[Kurt V.]

82. we.must. Remove. trump.

[33taw]

84. I believe Elizabeth.

[Tarc]

89. I believe that Warren & Sanders can hash this out in private when they want to

It is very much in the interests of certain other candidates to drive a wedge between Team Liz and Team Bernie.

Don't let them.

[George II]

90. The wedge was driven by Sanders' high-level staffers who wrote the script before this story.

[Tarc]

91. Nice try, Joe.

[ehrnst]

93. Yes, the equivalent to an online discussion where someone says, "I'm done here"

when a discussion isn't going their way...

But that kind of poster nearly always bounds in again headfirst if anyone else continues to post...

[SMC22307]

97. If Democrats act the way people are acting in this thread...

we deserve to lose. Get a grip people, we're running against DONALD FUCKING TRUMP, this isn't some game.

[samnsara]

101. she was one (of many) reasons I didnt support BS last time....