I believe Warren...

[BooScout]

...no ifs, ands or buts about it. And today's trending hashtags on Twitter were despicable.

[Sloumeau]

1. I believe Warren too. :) eom

[BjornSig]

2. I believe Bernie. I think the news stations are trying to destroy him and his chances

[Bummfuzzle]

3. Did you believe Sanders when he said it was a rogue employee that printed that script?

[Paka]

15. Thank You!

The Media started it and now are gleeful that it is spiraling out of control. It makes good news and brings in money while at the same time casting disbersions on a candidate they dispise. The framing and tonal demeanor displayed with every question posed to Senator Sanders oozed with hatred. I could actually feel it through my computer screen. It's painful and so unnecessary. I believe Bernie absolutely. It's too far out of character for him to either lie or make such an absurd statement. I don't even have to rely on the fact that he is inherantly honest or the evidence of all his past behavior and statements.

I believer Senator Warren thinks she heard him say it, and now has backed herself into a corner and can't recall the context. Bernard Sanders doesn't lie, but Senator Warren could actually have a less than photographic memory. It's easier to remember what you said than to rememhber exactly what the other person said. What you verbalize you remember better than what goes in and out of the ears.

[BooScout]

19. Did the media start...

...all those trending hashtags like #NeverWarren, #PrimaryWarren, etc.? Did the media flood Elizabeth Warren's Twitter feed with snakes? I'm not gleeful! I'm angry. I own the anger and it is justified.

[Paka]

24. Cnn has been planning this attack for several months.

They made their move to have maximum effect on the Iowa caucuses. This was a planned attack. As to the hashtags that followed I have no comment. Senator Warren's Twitter feed was the outcome of the original outrage. The anger should be at the media that wants a fight and the trolls that promote it. The media was the trigger. What followed is the resault of the low our country has sunk to. Why was Senator Warren unwilling to even shake Senator Sanders hand after the debate. She is feeling the shame.

The media hates the progressive movement and will do anything to derail it. The best chance they have is to get us fighting with each other. Trying to bring Senator Sanders down at Senator Warren's expense is a classic example of what the elites that control the country will stoop to.

[BooScout]

25. Lol!

A CNN planned attack? Seriously?

[Paka]

61. Very Seriously!

You can chose not to believe it, but then you are ignoring the obvious.

[ehrnst]

82. That sounds like something a Trump supporter would say about CNN...

[Amimnoch]

71. Really.. attack the media.. just like the POTUS.

Even if policies differ tremendously, there are WAY too many similarities between him and Trump to ignore. Anyone but him in 2020 please.

[ehrnst]

81. So now CNN's behind it and not "Warren's campaign?" I'm losing track of who

your vilifying here...

The conspiracy theories about those who are 'out to get Bernie' are getting too numerous to keep track of.

[BlueMTexpat]

37. Bernie himself is destroying his

chances. For me, he destroyed them permanently in 2016.

But somehow I am not surprised where your loyalties lie.

[Cha]

4. I believe Elizabeth, too, Boo..

for so many reasons.

"Despicable" and predictable.

[spooky3]

9. I do too. One of them is that I don't think she would make it up

Out of whole cloth. I think it’s possible there was misunderstanding, but that it what he should have said if true. Callling your good friend a liar on national tv is an aggressive act if there really were misunderstanding. And it’s totally wrong to deny it and daily she lied if in fact he did make the claims.

[BooScout]

20. Love ya Cha!

[Cha]

60. Backatcha, Boo!

I missed this earlier.

[TexasTowelie]

5. I believe Warren also. nt

[SunSeeker]

6. Me too.

[DemocracyMouse]

7. We are wasting time on this pettiness. There's a TRAITOR in the Oval Office people

ALL THE DEMS arr angels in comparison

[blm]

10. ✔️

[coti]

47. This. Enough of this bullshit! nt

[betsuni]

8. Yes. No ifs, ands, or buts.

"Authentic."

[RandySF]

11. I see two options

Somebody is lying or someone’s memory is slipping.

[sheshe2]

13. Alex?

I will take lying for 200.

[betsuni]

16. Slipping and lying.

Because not listening or hearing.

[sheshe2]

12. Hell yes.

I believe my Senator as well.

Funny thing, BS 's team are coming out in droves to defend him. Jane. Nina. Bri. Twitter is twitting and attacking a woman by the name of Warren. Snake hash tags. Full out vicious attacks.

Team Warren has no need to defend her. She told the truth.

See the difference? Yep.

[BooScout]

41. Did you have an admirer that I missed?

[sheshe2]

45. Apparently I did!

[Demsrule86]

46. +1000

[3sam3]

14. And I don't

give a rat's ass about the whole argument. Move the fuck on, people. And that includes Bernie and Liz!

[brer cat]

18. I agree. nt

[Bettie]

21. I believe her and understand why he may not recall the conversation the same way

To a woman, that phrase "a woman can't win" will resonate, it will stick in her mind, it will be there because we hear it all the time.

To an older man? It's just a thing they say, it doesn't mean anything to them because it isn't about them.

It was just a conversation, probably one of many and what we recall from such conversations isn't the back and forth of mundane conversation, it is those things that evoke a a response, something that resonates. For her, this would have done that. For most women, this would have resonated and been a hook for that recall.

[dansolo]

22. I think they are both playing games

I believe that Bernie said what is being claimed, but I also believe that Warren's campaign intentionally sat on it to strategically leak right before the debate.

[Demsrule86]

44. Not true...this came about because of the attacks on Warren from Sanders/his campaign in regards to

the script. Sanders violated the agreement they apparently had and all hell broke lose when they lied about the script. Also, I have worked multiple campaigns and never have I seen a script like that in a Democratic primary or campaign...we don't attack the other candidate, we talk up our candidate. It is particularly obnoxious in a primary.

[ehrnst]

74. What evidence do you have that she is lying that neither she nor her campaign leaked it?

[yardwork]

23. I believe Warren and I think she's handled this well.

At first I didn't think much of this whole thing but the way the Sanders campaign has spun this and attacked Warren has made me angry.

For the record, Warren didn't initiate any of this. Somebody else brought this up.

[Docreed2003]

26. Me too Boo

I believed her before the debate and my belief was solidified when she went up to Sanders face to face and confronted him on what he said. I think that it not only shows her truth, but it shows her strength. I also thought Sanders' response was completely predictable because, if you listen to the audio, he's clearly defensive and dismissive and I applaud Elizabeth for not smacking away his pointing finger, not sure I could have resisted.

[R B Garr]

27. Same here, she is telling the truth.

She was a threat to Sanders’ chances, so he was trying to discourage her.

This has nothing to do with his past statements, which he is trying to use to cloud the real issue: Warren was competition he didn’t want.

[janterry]

28. I believe Warren, but it doesn't matter to me at all

I could care less.

Warren or Bernie for President! I care about issues.

[AlexSFCA]

29. not even worth discussing

Were there witnesses to that private conversation? It’s not even about merit but did EW decide to reveal private conversation with BS for political gain? None of it matters, the debate is about policy, not he said she said. This was clearly coordinated to get the conversation going and stay in the news.

[Maru Kitteh]

32. men seem to believe that, yes

[BooScout]

36. Nothing is private in politics...

...that's something every politician knows.

[Brainstormy]

30. So do I!

but frankly I think Twitter is despicable in general

[Tom Rinaldo]

31. It was a private conversation

It was intended to be a private conversation. It should have remained a private conversation. Over the course of two hours I am willing to believe that Sanders said something that left Warren with the impression that Sanders was then pessimistic about the chances that a woman could defeat Donald Trump in 2020. This was an open and unguarded candid discussion and Sanders had every reason to believe that things said in confidence that night would not later be betrayed. I do not know if Warren decided to break that confidence or whether that was done without authorization to a reporter by one of Warren's close confidants.

But what ended up going public was reported as very blunt statement lacking in any nuance or context. Just on the face of it that was a low blow, because even if one believes Warren regarding the bottom line, that released statement cast Sanders in the worst possible light at a key point in the primary process. Again, giving Warren the benefit of the doubt, I do not believe for an instant that Sanders blurted out a comment like that outside of a larger context. He once urged Warren to run for President. He believes that women can and should run for the highest offices in the land, including the presidency. Their conversation that night was focused on who could defeat Donald Trump in 2020. Two years later they may have differing recollections about was meant by what was said in which sub set of an in depth two hour long personal conversation.

I don't accuse Warren of lying, but realistically, politically, Sanders was never going to get a chance to rewind that tape and revisit the context and full true meaning of any of the words he spoke that night in private. We live in a sound bite political world. It is not an option for Sanders to now say, "Well, from a purely technical standpoint Warren may be correct about that conversation, however what her statement fails to convey was the whole of my opinions that I expressed that night, and taken out of its original context, her summary of what I said is misleading at best. It does not accurately summarize our conversation" That would not fly in today's political world. It would end up as "Sanders confirms that he does not believe a woman can win the presidency." The fact that Warren accosted Sanders after the debate into an open microphone made matters for both them even worse. Sanders was right to wave off that public conversation for a later private moment, if anything truly remains private in politics anymore.

By breaking their former personal.confidence in the way that she did, Warren publicly put Sanders into an untenable political position. If Warren was forced into this action by an unauthorized leak by one of her confidants, at the very least she should have reiterated that she knows that Sanders has been supportive of Women running for any office in the land in the past, herself included, and that she is confident that he will again in the future, but they simply differed in their assessment of the type candidate who could defeat Donald Trump in 2020.

I wish Warren at least had done that. I hope the latest news on impeachment keeps this political spat from remaining high profile in the news cycle for the next week. I don't want to see Warren trashed over this. I don't want to see Sanders trashed over this. Neither are perfect political beings incapable of any making missteps. Each of their chances at the nomination should not be disproportionately effected by this incident. This hasn't been the finest political hour for either of them but I would gladly back either of them for President should one of them become our nominee. Fundamentally I know that they both have the best interests of our nation at heart. After the current 24 hour news cycle I will not take part in prolonging this "controversy" any further.

[aikoaiko]

33. I believe them both. Communication and memory is fallible.

I don't do twitter so I have no idea what Twitter hashtags are trending.

I really don't like how Warren is handling this. And Bernie could be doing much better to be conciliatory.

[LexVegas]

34. Me too. nt

[BannonsLiver]

35. The proof of Sanders mansplaining her was in the audio

So yes, I believe her as well. And I wouldn’t have needed the video. Some people just hit you the wrong way.

[George II]

50. It was just another example of what we've seen from him over the years, this one was out in the open

[MrsCoffee]

72. Exactly. That was disgusting and unacceptable.

[Gothmog]

38. I also believe Warren's version of the facts

[Hoyt]

39. I believe neither is acting like someone vying for President of USA. It's pitiful.

[George II]

40. She had no reason to make it up. If she was going to make something up...

...it would have been something else.

[NYMinute]

42. I'd believe Sen. Warren over Bernie Sanders any day. nt

[BlueMTexpat]

57. And I would too, in a

NY minute!

[Demsrule86]

43. I believe Warren also.

[NurseJackie]

48. I Believe Warren #ibelievewarren

#IBelieveWarren
#IBelieveElizabethWarren
#WarrenSpeaksTheTruth
#NobodyMansplainsToWarren
#GetThatFingerOutOfMyFace

[George II]

52. #YeahGoodOkay

[BooScout]

53. ...

#

Sorry, not sorry...I couldn't resist #

[George II]

54. Context: That's what he said to Steyer after Steyer stopped to say hello to him at the end.

[BooScout]

55. Well damn...

Now I gotta take back my rolling eyes hashtag!

[George II]

56. Nah, leave it. Watch the very end of that encounter (starts at about 35 seconds)....

"Yeah, good. Okay" as he stormed off:

[BooScout]

58. Poor Steyer...

He walked right into it without a clue, lol

[Me.]

49. I'm With You

and pffft to that phony extended hand approach, it's a common tactic many women recognize

[Dream Girl]

51. Some folks are demonstrating cult-like thinking. Fake news!!! A hoax!!!!

Sounds kind of familiar.

[TomCADem]

62. Remember When Trump Supporters Double Down ...

... even though they had audio tapes of Trump talking about grabbing women by the genitals:

...

In Bernie's case, you have rape fantasy essays, but I guess they don't count, because that is just locker room talk?

[Bummfuzzle]

59. Warren all the way. And she handled it like the adult in the room.

[ehrnst]

63. Yes, there are some odd and unsettling things there

[yardwork]

65. An attack against HIM is an attack against us.

This is very unsettling. To say the least.

[ehrnst]

66. No. Sanders is not US.

No, I don't think that valid criticism and vetting of Senator Sanders is an "attack on US." That's the kind of groupthink that I associate with Trump supporters - which is why they will never, ever believe anything about him that isn't flattering.

However, I am far more sensitive to the genuine attacks and smears on Warren. I won't say that "she is us" because I have healthy emotional boundaries. She is also someone who asks for intellectual evaluation and not blind lockstep allegiance. Besides, if she ever tried to say anything like that, the knives and the accusations of 'CULT" would come out in a heartbeat. Especially from Sanders supporters who feel personally betrayed that she decided to run for POTUS, rather than simply cheerleading his candidacy.

[yardwork]

67. I know. That meme is terrifying to me. That's fascism.

I added a comment to my earlier post to make it clear that I strongly disagree with this kind of "dear leader" hero worship of politicians.

Telling people that they aren't allowed to criticize politicians - that criticism of a politician is the same as an "attack" on the people - is a fascist approach.

[ehrnst]

68. That phraseology is certainly authoritarian, however left the conversation and ideas might be.

Whatever benefits the leader is therefore good for us. Any dissent whatsoever from the leader will be dealt with harshly, and treated as an attack.

See also: Donald J. Trump's supporters.

[yardwork]

69. Exactly. It's authoritarianism.

[ehrnst]

73. Authoritarianism:

Simply put, autocratic (authoritarian) leaders use, and often abuse, their coercive power to get people to do their bidding. They use their power to punish to force people to follow them. Rather than earning respect and loyalty, they demand it, believing they’re entitled to it by their position. They tend to make unilateral decisions instead of consulting with and listening to people with the expertise relevant to good decision-making.
..........................................................
Another problem with autocratic leadership is that it lends itself to poor decision-making. When a decision is complex and important, it pays to consult and listen to people with relevant expertise, yet autocratic leaders tend to make unilateral decisions.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/presence-mind/201901/the-perils-trump-s-autocratic-leadership-style

[TwilightZone]

78. That's rather...disturbing.

[ehrnst]

79. Yes, and even more so because it's a copy and paste from a Julian Assange

meme, but this one with passive, coiffed, cosmeticized women.

Not a "cankle" or "hag" in the bunch....

It's pretty clear who the target audiences of the meme are, and who the target of the hostility of the meme is.

[lapucelle]

83. That's kind of creepy, but if those 9 people feel they've been "attacked",

then those 9 people feel they have been attacked.

[ehrnst]

84. They are print models, so they at least got paid. (nt)

[lapucelle]

85. You couldn't pay me enough money to sublimate my identity in the service of someone's agenda,

especially not that of a politician.

[MrsCoffee]

64. 100%

[Cha]

75. KR!

[samnsara]

76. i believe Liz too...

[redstatebluegirl]

77. I believe Elizabeth.

BS has a bad habit of mansplaining to women too.

[ehrnst]

80. Yes, indeed. (nt)

[Gothmog]

86. For this thread

Link to tweet

[highplainsdem]

87. I do, too.

[NNadir]

88. So do I.