When Mitch McConnell threatened to toss the impeachment aside completely if Speaker Pelosi did not immediately send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate, Pelosi decided it was time to send them over. If not for this pressure, Speaker Nancy Pelosi would have been only too happy to wait a couple of months for Mitch McConnell to decide that witnesses were OK, all the while gathering up new impeachment evidence. It is a typical Trump lie to blame the timing on Democrats.

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KPN

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11. Fuck you Donald Trump! Stay the fuck out of

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:17 PM

Jan 2020

our Democratic Party election. And stop fucking rigging our US elections! We are coming for you ... and won’t forget, you sorry assed, little fingered, slug-faced piece of shit. Your days are numbered.

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MineralMan

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12. BREAKING - TRUMP ENDORSES SANDERS!

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:29 PM

Jan 2020

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Gothmog

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13. trump and the GOP really really want sanders to be the nominee

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:36 PM

Jan 2020

trump and McCarthy really really want sanders to be the nominee. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states and many downballot candidates will lose https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-trump-mccarthy-seem-so-eager-side-bernie-sanders-n1116941

All of this may seem bizarre -- and to a very real extent, it is -- but it's not accidental. There's a GOP strategy unfolding, and it's based on a couple of assumptions.

First, Trump and McCarthy seem to believe Sanders' supporters can be manipulated -- a belief I suspect the Vermonter's backers will find insulting -- and intra-party divisions in Democratic politics can be stoked to ensure Trump's re-election. McCarthy's reference to superdelegates was especially notable: some Sanders supporters are under the mistaken belief that Democratic superdelegates derailed the senator's 2016 candidacy, which is not what happened.

Second, Republican attempts at mischief notwithstanding, the New York Times reports that Donald Trump's political advisers see Bernie Sanders as "their ideal" general-election opponent. To that end, the article added, members of the president's team "have been doing what they can to elevate [the independent senator's] profile and bolster his chances of winning the Iowa caucuses."

Which, naturally, helps explain why the president sided with Sanders last night, and why McCarthy seemed so focused on helping Sanders yesterday afternoon.

It's likely that many Democratic primary and caucus voters will look past these tactics, which is just as well. But as these efforts intensify, at least we'll know the motivation behind them.

Postscript: It's worth emphasizing, in case this isn't obvious, that Team Trump may see Sanders as their "ideal" 2020 foe, but Republicans may very well be wrong. Plenty of Democrats saw Donald Trump as the weakest GOP candidate four years ago, and we now know those assumptions didn't work out especially well.

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Bev54

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14. Is anyone really listening to him?

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:38 PM

Jan 2020

I wish people would stop repeating anything that bloviated moron says.

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My Pet Orangutan

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15. Has it ever been more obvious who a president did not want to run against?

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:44 PM

Jan 2020

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NYMinute

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16. Well, he was hungry for endorsements anyway

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:48 PM

Jan 2020

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helpisontheway

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17. Aww..Trump wants to run against Bernie..and if he can't he wants Bern or Bust

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:04 PM

Jan 2020

to support him. Trump will claim they need to vote for him or stay home to punish the big bad Democratic Party. 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Unfortunately, Sarandon and that nut Nina will likely encourage this because it is all rigged against poor Bernie. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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Gothmog

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18. trump would destroy a weak and flawed candidate like sanders in the general election

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Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:51 PM

Jan 2020

Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long game—attacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of color—for example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for her—Clinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....

So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.

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