Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumprimary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)I'm going to vote a straight Democratic ticket.
Just as i always do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)She was very wrong to say that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)So is not voting.
Go Blue!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,503 posts)I personally think that answer is fine. I also think it would be fine for Sanders to have said essentially the same thing in response to a question of if he'll support someone else in the case he doesn't get the nomination. There's a primary underway. That said, I think it is helpful to defeating Trump if there were a higher level of unity among all those opposed to Trump's reelection.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)So she should simply say she supports the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SaveOurDemocracy
(4,400 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beakybird
(3,333 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,650 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Butterflylady
(3,547 posts)But I'm sure she felt betrayed. She had every right to say how felt like we all do. She is the one who felt the loss the most. I just can't imagine what she went thru after the election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,650 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)Or did Sanders black out Wisconsin on her map so she didn't know how to get here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)Im not going to go there yet. Were still in a very vigorous primary season, Clinton said.
I am so NOT surprised the context of her statement was ignored.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)Much ado about nothing. Again. Still.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)So thats not an excuse.
Blue no matter who.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Malmsy
(297 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lark
(23,156 posts)Wish she hadn't said that, but guess she's still bitter as she has a right to be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?
I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)She said it was too early in the primary to say anything. Typical NY Times misstatement.
From the interview: If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?
I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:42 PM - Edit history (1)
She was not willing to say that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)"I'll do anything I can to defeat the current incumbent, and to reverse a lot of his damaging policies."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TDale313
(7,820 posts)As we have been reminded now for 4+ years. I completely get her bitterness towards Sanders, but were gonna need her to do the right thing and be 100% enthusiastic about the Dem nominee. Its too important, and she has way too many supporters who will be watching how she handles this. Supporters who have spent 4 years blaming Sanders and his team for not being as enthusiastic as he might have been for giving us Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I'll do anything I can to defeat the current incumbent, and to reverse a lot of his damaging policies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Not endorsing is NOT the same as saying you will not vote for him. She is a loyal Democrat, no way would she stay home and not vote for the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,883 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
David__77
(23,503 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lark
(23,156 posts)If we lose it's because of his rampant criminality - he will have stolen it, period.the.end. He will use voter suppression but also hacking. I believe they will go full in on stealing our election. Now, will they manipulate the voter database - erasing Dems, or just flip Dem to Repug votes during the reporting process or find some other wholesale illegal way to do this?
Yes, there will be some jerks who are purists (all Bernies' top folks are examples) and who won't vote if their preferred person isn't the one, but most people will recognize this existential threat and vote for the D, for sanity, for health, for our constitution. GOTV and all hands on deck is the only way we win. Hope that will happen when it's crunch time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,164 posts)on the 100 million or so who can't be bothered to vote; they are the real problem. Everyone herking and jerking over 3 million in the popular vote when 33 times that number didn't even vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TDale313
(7,820 posts)We cant just count on being better than Trump (They all are. By far) We cant assume his support will fall apart. Its not a given Trump will lose... but its possible, even likely. If we are smart.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)But ffs, don't be encouraging others by broadcasting it!
I wonder how many in here now that used to believe in "Vote Blue no matter Who" now feel they have "permission" not to.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....Nina Turner, Briahna Gray, David Sirota, and Cornell West openly and proudly said they voted for Jill Stein.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Stating she won't commit to voting for the Democratic nominee is a powerful statement from her. Surely you must admit that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)working in a Democratic primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)that Sanders supporters voted for Clinton at a higher rate than Clinton supporters voted for Obama.
But don't let pesky facts like people actually voting for the nominee get in your way. Keep shitting on Sanders and blaming him for eht 2016 loss.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)lots of twisting going on.
Plus in the same interview she said: "I'll do anything I can to defeat the current incumbent, and to reverse a lot of his damaging policies."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)anyone but him are now outraged that someone who supports a different candidate might feel the same way? Personally, I think we need to vote blue no matter what. But Sander's has hired supporters who didn't do that in 16 and has supporters who on twitter threaten to blow up the 20 election if he is not the nominee...it does not surprise me that this threat of withholding support could hurt every candidate...Sanders is not exempt. God willing it won't happen. We need to get rid of Trump. It is fine to be passionate about your candidate but at the end of the day support the Democratic nominee period. And please can some stop implying that the election will be blown up if their candidate doesn't win?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)But you still need to support the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Not you, Autumn. I'm not shooting the messenger, I promise!
Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but I have a hard time believing a man would be treated this same way if he'd had a bitter primary battle with Sanders and declined to commit support at this point in time.
Secretary Clinton also said, ""I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season," and "I'll do anything I can to defeat the current incumbent, and to reverse a lot of his damaging policies." in the same damn interview.
I just see this of one more example of how women expressing disappointment and/or bitterness are castigated as whiners or being unfair while men who do likewise are standing up for themselves or just telling it like it is.
She didn't say every last Bernie supporter was a white male troll on Twitter. But damn it, plenty were and Bernie never unequivocally disavowed the behavior or told them to knock it the hell off. At least not that I could tell.
For full disclosure, I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. Later came to wish I hadn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,650 posts)Ya know there are reasons some people chose not to vote for HRC in 2016. This is harmful, not helpful.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dalton99a
(81,578 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Just as wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)my business and I have no intention of engaging Bots. YMMV.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)I worry WAY more that Sanders supporters wont vote for the Dem nominee if it isnt BS...or voting 3rd party or not voting at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Southern Blueneck
(75 posts)I'm a Bidenite, but whomever is the nominee is my nominee!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)Can Sanders top campaign officials and staff say the same? Because they sure as hell didn't last time around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
McKim
(2,412 posts)Stop the infighting, it is hurting our party!!!!! We cant afford to spend energy rehashing 2016. Vote blue no matter who!!!!! That is what Hillary should have said. All leaders must get on board.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)I will support the nominee of the party but I strongly doubt that sanders will be the nominee of the party. There are far too many real Democrats who have good memories and who will not forgive or forget
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
librechik
(30,676 posts)It's my signature nt
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)America, but right now, she's staying outside the Primary battle but if she's going to tip her hand for anyone, it's understandable that it won't be Gabbard, and it certainly wouldn't be Sanders.
There's a sweet irony to see Sanders supporters losing their shit over her answer though. Karma's a beach.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
delisen
(6,044 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Do you vote here? Have a voice here in the USA? But you chime in a ton and most of it negative, why?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)Yes I am in Ireland
No, I'm not a US citizen, but my brother and his family live in the US and have always voted Dem
Yes I chime in a lot, but my post count says "not a ton"
It's outrageous of you to say that "most of it negative". Maybe I don't agree with a lot of your personal positions ? I don't know what your positions are, I'm not keeping score !
Like it our not, what happens in the US affects us in Europe, in a large way, never more so than now. If Trump wins another 4 years, i fear for not just the US, but democracy all over the world.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
delisen
(6,044 posts)Plus my brother-in-law and good friend has an Irish passport, as does my niece.
We are stronger together! and if democracy is going to survive we need to keep up the conversation.
So "chime in."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)Probably because of JFK, but the vast majority of the Irish people have been pro the Democratic Party, and long may it continue. The likes of myself understand how important it is to have a Democratic President, never more so than in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)But I don't know whether Hillary would have been welcome by Bernie's campaign to support him. He has some notable Hillary haters working for him and if you follow twitter, a considerable fraction of Bernie's supporters really despise Clinton. Hillary derangement syndrome is a factor that is unfortunately really strong in his "movement". So it's a non-issue either way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)what's your point? There are many of us who support, like and respect him. Her opinion of him will change nothing about that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)supporting Bernie should he win the nomination. My point was that she wouldn't be welcome by a campaign that purposefully chose to employ Hillary haters and by supporters who openly despise her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)He didn't say she said she wouldn't commit to supporting Bernie. He correctly pointed out that declining to comment if she would commit to support him should he be the nominee is wrong. Hillary is not some surrogate or a nobody off the street. Her words matter.
As for the whining? I haven't seen a Sanders supporter whine in this thread yet.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)Link to tweet
F
Now, I dont know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I dont know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.
Since the campaign got caught in that lie, Sanders supporters have attempted to claim that Biden has been advocating for cutting Social Security for 40 years. As is often the case with disinformation, that is based on a half-truth. To solve a budget impasse in 1995, Biden supported a freeze on all federal spending, including cost of living adjustments to Social Security. Then there was his support for an Obama proposal to change the way cost of living increases were calculated, including both the income tax tables and Social Security. But the Sanders campaign turned those positions into an accusation that Biden attempted to slash Social Security.
An honest look at the totality of Bidens position on Social Security would come from listening to Jared Bernstein, a progressive economist who served as an advisor to the former vice president.
Link to tweet
.....Some of us spoke up when Sanders hired David Sirota because his modus operandi was obvious to anyone who knew his history. Sirota has a reputation of being a ruthless attack dog. The campaign had to know that when they hired him. But now it seems that Sirota went too far with his attacks and his boss has been forced to apologize.
It is clear that the Sanders campaign will rely on attacks against his opponents. But this latest incident demonstrates that they are still struggling with where the boundaries are for those negative attacks. It is good to know that, at least for the candidate himself, accusing Biden of being corrupt is outside the boundary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)That is interesting. Here is a link to Nate's latest projections that show that Biden is close to 50% to be the nominee and sanders' slim chances have been dropping like a rock
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Her tweet on the subject made that clear.
All she was saying was that she didn't want to jump the gun and talk about any particular candidate as a future nominee while the primary was ongoing.
She has repeatedly made it clear that she will support the ticket.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,886 posts)I don't care - ultimately - there's one person still in it that I detest but she doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination without the Russians rigging it for her like they did for Trump in the GE.
Any of our candidates would be better than trump.
And I think you would agree- that Biden, Warren, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Steyer, Bloomberg -
Would be a far better choice than Trump.
Correct? You DO intend to go all out for the eventual nominee even if it is NOT Sanders - right? Like - you aren't going to smear them, or be angry. You are going to get down to work - right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Problem solved
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden