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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Stuart G

(38,445 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:34 PM Jan 2020

Why Biden is the best candidate..With Biden we win. Here is why:

..We must win. With Biden we will win. ......

..Because of the constant news...Every time that the word "Biden" is mentioned, most of people in the U.S.A.think about that Trump tried to get dirt on Biden by paying someone off

Now this isn't once in a while, this is what the word Biden is connected with..and impeachment. Further: the great majority of people in the U.S.A. think that this was illegal and wrong. Because of the news and the constant news of the impeachment, and cause of the impeachment, it does make sense to remind people as often as possible, that Trump is a crook and a liar.

...In a presidential race between Biden and Trump, the people in the U.S.A, will be reminded millions of times that Trump is a crook with the mention of Biden's name. And further, when Trump denies that he did anything wrong to Biden, (as he is doing now, and has done) Trump will be seen again, as a liar & crook.
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..We must win. Trump must be gone in a year. With Biden, it will be an overwhelming win because of the three paragraphs above. You can disagree, and that is what this is all about, but those three paragraphs are the stones solid truth. Biden is an automatic winner.

..Of course the other candidates are qualified and would make outstanding Presidents of the U.S.A. but we must win to save this country. Those three paragraphs are the way to win. Yes, of course, 25 to 35 percent believe that Trump did nothing wrong...But if 65 percent think Trump did something wrong, and vote for our candidate, Joe Biden, there is no doubt that we will win, and win by a landslide. And we must get Trump out. We must win. With Biden, the country will be reminded every time the word is mentioned that Trump is a crook. And that is one hell of a message to send to the country. No argument, just one word. "Biden"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Why Biden is the best candidate..With Biden we win. Here is why: (Original Post) Stuart G Jan 2020 OP
Recommended. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #1
I think any of our candidates can win. Others don't like facts. LonePirate Jan 2020 #2
The widespread Corruption of Trump administration on display blm Jan 2020 #3
Absolutely! In fact... pfeiffer Jan 2020 #6
Any of our candidates on last debate stage can win at140 Jan 2020 #4
That is just not true... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #21
Based on what? at140 Jan 2020 #23
I respectfully disagree. Old Crow Jan 2020 #5
Regardless who the nominee is dotard is going to make shit up Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #7
I definitely agree that Trump will smear, fabricate, and belittle any opponent. Old Crow Jan 2020 #11
Perhaps some of that will "stick" as you say. Stuart G Jan 2020 #8
And Biden can easily go after Trump's hell spawn...who making buckets of money and selling Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #22
I dunno. I think the one truth he said was that he could shoot someone and still get elected aikoaiko Jan 2020 #9
He said squirecam Jan 2020 #10
Thank you for the correction. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #12
...Trump will lose big, he has proven to most that he is a liar and a crook.... Stuart G Jan 2020 #13
K&R onetexan Jan 2020 #14
I fear that trump has already damaged Biden in the same way that he libeled HRC. jg10003 Jan 2020 #15
Yes, and I'm sure the fact you are a Sanders supporter doesn't color that view at all. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #16
4 points: jg10003 Jan 2020 #17
Wishful thinking is not necessarily critical thinking. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #19
Go ahead and "FEAR".. We'll do the Cha Jan 2020 #18
For some people winning isn't good enough. They need sprinkles and cupcakes too. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #20
KICK! Cha Jan 2020 #24
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Recommended.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:39 PM
Jan 2020

This is an interesting viewpoint, and one I had not considered. That Trump's attempt to smear Biden might rebound against Trump himself.

I think what adds to your argument is that most US voters already know that Trump might be the most unethical individual to ever occupy the office of President. And Trump is unlikeable on a personal level, and ignorant on nearly every subject.

And Biden, by contrast, is well informed on the issues, and people like him. And that likeability is no small thing. A person might disagree with him on any particular issue, but even GOP politicians like him. Now, in the age of Trump, these GOP cowards might be afraid to say it, but one suspects that they do still like Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
2. I think any of our candidates can win. Others don't like facts.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

blm

(113,091 posts)
3. The widespread Corruption of Trump administration on display
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jan 2020

is a constant reminder that we need the anti-corruption candidate as our nominee. Warren.

https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/after-trump?source=sms&fbclid=IwAR3lAPpiRwJ0N5R-ANThI2DEgsLIK3wO_SsWHdESpaF_O6epbuNErpN5J0E

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pfeiffer

(280 posts)
6. Absolutely! In fact...
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:56 PM
Jan 2020

All our Dem candidates would be fantastic fighting against corruption - Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Biden!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,110 posts)
4. Any of our candidates on last debate stage can win
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:54 PM
Jan 2020

So I am supporting Warren simply because I love her main agenda issues and she has the energy of a 39 year old. She is fully capable of holding 100 rallies in 2020. And she will need to do it because tRump will hold 100 rallies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,675 posts)
21. That is just not true...
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:00 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,110 posts)
23. Based on what?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:40 PM
Jan 2020

OK, I will concede you are entitled to your opinion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
5. I respectfully disagree.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:56 PM
Jan 2020

Recently, I read an opinion piece where the author (I forget who) rhetorically asked, "Did we learn nothing in 2016? Trump is savagely effective at attacking mainstream establishment politicians."

The societal ills that made America fertile soil for a demagogue like Trump still remain. The middle class is shrinking and continues to be filled with fears and anxieties brought on by expensive healthcare (for those who can afford it), out-of-reach higher education, job insecurity, wage stagnation, and changing demographics. Right or wrong, they see establishment politicians as a big part of the problems in their lives -- many regard them more as enemies than allies.

Biden is vulnerable to the kind of attacks Trump likes to make. Yes, Biden and his son broke no laws in Ukraine; of course I get that. But there remains a big whiff of privilege and elitism surrounding Hunter Biden's $50K per month job at Burisma. Trump will harp on that to no end. He will paint Biden as a corrupt establishment politician, similar to what he did to Hillary in 2016, and some of that criticism will stick.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,793 posts)
7. Regardless who the nominee is dotard is going to make shit up
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jan 2020

Biden is as well prepared if not better than any candidate to deal with it

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
11. I definitely agree that Trump will smear, fabricate, and belittle any opponent.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jan 2020

No doubt about that. And, unfortunately, because Trump spends a lot of time in the gutter, he's got a real knack for in-the-gutter attacks.

I think the question is, Who presents vulnerabilities that Trump will be most able to exploit in order to manipulate the populace?

And by that standard, I think Biden is especially vulnerable. Going back to the point of the OP here, he's making the case that any mention of Biden will remind voters of Trump's illegal and unconstitutional acts in regard to Ukraine. That's a valid point; I think that's true.

But the problem is this: For the Average Joe, they are more likely to be upset that:

(A) a politician's son received a cushy job earning more every month than the Average Joe earns all year;

than they are that:

(B) Donald Trump illegally pressured Ukraine to fabricate dirt on Biden.

In the case of B, I think the Average Joe is likely to think, "Yeah, well all politicians do that shit." In the case of A, however, the thinking is more likely to be, "Yeah, that's an outrage and that's a great example of how the politicians in Washington are fucking us over."

(Forgive the profanity. I'm trying to evoke a mindset here.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Stuart G

(38,445 posts)
8. Perhaps some of that will "stick" as you say.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:14 PM
Jan 2020

..Perhaps, but when Trump throws out the dirt, the dirt will fly back to his face for most of the country. Trump has had 3 years to prove beyond a doubt that ..."Trump is a liar and a crook."...not just an accusation, but prove positive that this is who he is.

..Accusations will stick with those that want to believe. We are not going to convince them anyway. When Trump throws out those accusations, they will look silly to those who are informed about Trump. Forget the $50k, for Biden's son. What about paying someone in Ukraine to get dirt on Biden? Trump can harp all he wants, he will make himself look more stupid than he is. Yes, It will sound ok to the 30 to 35 that will vote for him, but it will sound foolish to the rest. That is what I believe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,675 posts)
22. And Biden can easily go after Trump's hell spawn...who making buckets of money and selling
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:02 AM
Jan 2020

access to Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
9. I dunno. I think the one truth he said was that he could shoot someone and still get elected
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020

I'd like to believe in the American public you describe -- but I just dunno if its there anymore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
10. He said
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jan 2020

He wouldn’t lose any voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
12. Thank you for the correction.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:20 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Stuart G

(38,445 posts)
13. ...Trump will lose big, he has proven to most that he is a liar and a crook....
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jan 2020

Yes, people were willing to give him a chance, and there was cheating involved to get Trump elected. But the proof is now out there for all to see. Not a little proof, but a lot of proof. Trump will lose and lose big. He is a constant liar, all the time. (not some of the time). And Trump lies about anything and everything. He will lose but we do not want a close show, we want a big loss. No discussion and clear proof Trump is a looser, once and for all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jg10003

(976 posts)
15. I fear that trump has already damaged Biden in the same way that he libeled HRC.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:02 PM
Jan 2020

The people who believed trump when he said "crooked Hillary" already believe Biden and his son were doing something wrong in the Ukraine. trump will do what he always does; keep repeating the lie no matter how many fact-checkers refute him. This will force Biden to continually defend himself, which is not a winning position.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BannonsLiver

(16,451 posts)
16. Yes, and I'm sure the fact you are a Sanders supporter doesn't color that view at all.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:06 PM
Jan 2020


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jg10003

(976 posts)
17. 4 points:
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:36 PM
Jan 2020

1) One of the reasons I support Sanders is because I believe he has the best chance of winning, just as the OP believes Biden has the best chance of winning. Please see my reason for supporting Sanders here - [link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287292045|

2) The OP stated the reasons for his position in a clear and reasonable fashion. I stated why I disagree in a similar fashion.

3) You are right, the fact that I support does not color my view. I am willing to listen to any reasonable position and will carefully consider it. I am not afraid to change my mind or admit that I was wrong.

4) If you have a valid criticism of the points I made, please say so.

5) Sarcasm and insults are not rebuttals.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BannonsLiver

(16,451 posts)
19. Wishful thinking is not necessarily critical thinking.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:45 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,660 posts)
18. Go ahead and "FEAR".. We'll do the
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:02 PM
Jan 2020

WiNNING without FEAR!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
20. For some people winning isn't good enough. They need sprinkles and cupcakes too. nt
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:10 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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