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MineralMan

(146,322 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:07 PM Jan 2020

None of the Democratic Primary Candidates Are Our Enemies.

There is only one enemy, and that is Donald John Trump. Yes, I like one candidate better than the rest, because I think he stands the best chance of defeating the actual enemy. But none of our Democratic candidates for the nomination are enemies of the Democratic Party.

We need to stop acting as though the battle is against other Democrats. It is not. It's just a primary campaign, designed to find out which candidate can get the most votes and convention delegates to become the nominee. Different Democratic candidates have different ideas, to some degree, but they're all on the same side, in the end.

More importantly, they're all running to be President of the United States, who has to have the cooperation of Congress to do anything at all. really. I think some of the current candidates are promising more than they can possibly deliver. I see that as a weakness. But the voters in all 50 states will make their choice and there it will be.

And I'll honor that choice by voting this November for the nominee the people select. I assume everyone will do that who has even a particle of sense. There isn't another option that doesn't leave a Republican in power, so...

Please get over the "all or nothing at all" attitude, if you have such a thing. It's counterproductive. It's dangerous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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None of the Democratic Primary Candidates Are Our Enemies. (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2020 OP
how many senate seats will we lose depending on "who" is the nominee nt msongs Jan 2020 #1
That might well be true. MineralMan Jan 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #2
You know, here's the thing: You won't change anyone's vote MineralMan Jan 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #5
Well, most people's votes are made on emotional grounds, rather than MineralMan Jan 2020 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #7
What you are probably missing jberryhill Jan 2020 #8
Oh, no, I'm not missing that. MineralMan Jan 2020 #9
I think the best way to think about "arguing" on the internet... Salviati Jan 2020 #10
 

msongs

(67,430 posts)
1. how many senate seats will we lose depending on "who" is the nominee nt
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:08 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,322 posts)
3. That might well be true.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:10 PM
Jan 2020

So, pick a candidate you think will help elect more Senators and support that one. It is support that gains votes, not bickering or condemning another candidate.

For pete's sake!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

 

MineralMan

(146,322 posts)
4. You know, here's the thing: You won't change anyone's vote
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:12 PM
Jan 2020

by attacking the candidate that person supports. You might, however, convince that person that your favorite will do a better job.

Attacks always fail to change minds. Convincing arguments FOR someone sometimes do, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to MineralMan (Reply #4)

 

MineralMan

(146,322 posts)
6. Well, most people's votes are made on emotional grounds, rather than
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jan 2020

on careful consideration. If that were not so, Donald John Trump would not be President.

Most people react to attacks on things they hold dear by becoming even more convinced of their choice. That's a normal human reaction. Attacking a candidate of your own party is a waste of time, really. It will accomplish nothing. If you want to convince someone to follow your lead, argue the positive points of what you support. That's much more effective in convincing those who are undecided.

You're absolutely right that you won't change the mind of someone whose posts are full of animated smilies and who type only in CAPS about their favorite. However, arguing with that person does not help your favorite candidate. It just encourages more of the same fan activity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. What you are probably missing
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

Is the very distinct possibility that some online "supporters" of a candidate behave in a repellent and rude manner precisely for an actual purpose which is at odds with their apparent affiliation to that candidate, or indeed to Democratic candidates in general.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,322 posts)
9. Oh, no, I'm not missing that.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jan 2020

Not at all. It's just that I have no way to combat such things, other than ignoring the posts of people who do that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
10. I think the best way to think about "arguing" on the internet...
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 04:49 PM
Jan 2020

... is to realize that the audience you're trying to convince isn't the one person that you are engaging with, but rather the 100 people who are reading the exchange but not participating. Your goal isn't to convince the person with whom you're interacting, but instead present the best argument to the larger audience of observers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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