Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJust wondering: Do you think the IA caucus results might be declared invalid and cancelled?
Like the DMR poll, not released. Maybe, the new system for what was it releasing 3 (or 2) vote tallies got corrupted and there will be no fair result to announce tonight? My thinking is that the party isn't releasing the results because they've identified a very serious flaw. In that case, will Iowa re-schedule it's caucus or we just move onto New Hampshire? It's not fair to do a re-do, in my eyes, because what about the people who could only caucus tonight and can't next Monday or whatever?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)41 pledged delegates. A drop in the bucket.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
H2O Man
(73,592 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)"Results delayed", "No ETA", "reasons unclear." Until we get a hard ETA of when the results are supposed to come in, I can only assume the worst.
Edit: I don't want that scenario to unfold as I am dying for some results. We, as political junkies, all live for nights like these, but it's obvious that something very grave has occurred.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Republicans use hand marked ballots that are counted. We need to pay Iowa to put on a Saturday primary for us, where people register a secret vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)The system needs reform. Eliminate the electoral college, eliminate caucuses and make the process more. transparent.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)A joke.
Primaries are a better way to choose candidates.
Caucuses really aren't particularly democratic. They do tend to exclude the working poor, not intending to, but having something at a given time on a specific day for several hours is really bad for people who would like to participate but risk getting fired if they take time off work. Maybe caucuses were good way back when, but I'm thinking they are pretty outmoded now.
Just like the Electoral College.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bottomofthehill
(8,344 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
4139
(1,893 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Move Zig
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NoMoreRepugs
(9,453 posts)Pick which hand - who the F$&@ cares about Iowa, the center of the known universe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CloudWatcher
(1,851 posts)I just have to wonder if they've been hacked and they noticed before releasing incorrect numbers. I have no evidence behind this, but otherwise I'd have to assume 100% incompetent staff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)MSNBC keeps showing people with writing on legal pads and they are using calculators to figure out the number of delegates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CloudWatcher
(1,851 posts)I think the MSNBC panel is ready to break out some wine to try and fill the airtime w/out any results.
Even adding by hand, they could be releasing partial results! It's been hours .....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)I just don't think there is anything hackable. Unless maybe getting the results from the precinct to the central state location.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Apps on mobile devices are notoriously hackable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)and then weren't able to get it working. So now they are doing it via phone.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Why are they not inputting the numbers and getting results? Calculating by hand?
I have to admit that my initial reaction to the poll being invalidated was that it would be a way to set up shenanigans in the caucus. So if the caucus results are vastly different there isnt a reputable poll to dispute the results. It just shows the success Putin has had to make it so we no longer trust our process. (Bush v. Gore had the same or more impact on me).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)MSNBC showed a lot of cameras just walking up when they were giving numbers, so I don't think anything is being done in secret.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)They do things differently there. Thats not a bad thing. Its just different.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)But tonight clearly sends the message that Iowa will never again be first in the nation.
For Democrats any way.
As a supporter of Obama since before he even became a State Senator I have to say, the only way he could become the nominee was because he and his team had a clear understanding of how caucuses work and how to insure he won far more caucuses than his opponent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)Of course, that means the order changes each election cycle. But why not have those states we need to win go first. It makes no sense that Iowa and New Hampshire are so early when they aren't usually important. And why is SC so early? We are NEVER going to South Carolina. Obama didn't even come close. So why are they being used to weed out candidates? It should be Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Penn. States we need to win/flip and have a chance of doing so.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)And load them up one after an another week by week, then throw California, New York, Illinois, and Texas all together on a Super Tuesday. Flesh it all out after that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)We need to know what the important states that year want for a candidate (and next time other states may be important).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
C_U_L8R
(45,018 posts)Whether it's his craftsmanship or just innocent snafuism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,158 posts)It'll just take a while to get final results.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indykatie
(3,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squidly
(783 posts)They had these paper cards where on one side was your first choice and if your candidate was viable, thats the only side you filled out. If your first choice wasnt viable, then you would also fill out the second side as your second choice. Chair had to call in to double check the procedure. If we had problems in our small precinct, cant imagine what was going on in the larger ones.
I guess when Iowa has been doing this the same way since 1972 and then they decide to do it differently there were bound to be issues. At least I can say I participated in the last Iowa caucus!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden