Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumPete had one shot
and Iowa's incompetence took it away. His campaign spent a year and a small fortune working that state. He needed a clear first or second place finish and he got that but thanks to Iowa's incompetence he doesn't get credit for it. Iowa should have to vote last for the next 44 years. I am disgusted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iowas incompetence has given maggot the opportunity
To mock the whole process.
They had fucking 4 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kablooie
(18,638 posts)The app was just released a few days ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
It seems the more high technology stuff they try
The worse it goes.
Paper ballots.
Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mail in ballots work too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lancero
(3,011 posts)Yet again, Democrats are writing the attacks for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
gab13by13
(21,385 posts)but even without a new app Iowa screwed up the Republican primary also. Seems I remember Iowa declaring Mitt Romney the winner then a day or days later I forget, it declared Santorum the winner.
I guess we need to use Ivanka Trump's voting machines? "sarcasm"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,166 posts)Count them and send the results via email.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,400 posts)The class he displayed will serve him well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Didn't he come out of this really well?
The worst-case scenario is we say he was one of three apparent winners in Iowa, with some caucuses/polls showing him as the victor and other polls showing Warren or Sanders? Iowa showed all three were viable. Now we move on. Also, yesterday many people spent all day saying "Iowa isn't important."
Why aren't we trying harder to control this narrative? Is it really so bad?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)make some position responsible overall leadership/policywise when we lose the WH. Like the previous past president or last losing democratic opponent. I know this sounds extremely unorthodox, but we have the craziest most dangerous man in the WH. We have no ex-officio.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
"Why aren't we trying harder to control this narrative? Is it really so bad?"
The media needs something to report, and the "chaos" narrative is as good as anything ... and certainly better, from their perspective, than "results will be posted within 24 hours once verified."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,869 posts)He took a look at the Iowa dumpster fire and said 'let the others wail and gnash their teeth over his, I'm moving on.'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)He needed a legitimate win. Above board, to show he was possible.
Nobody young now. A shame.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
"Nobody young now."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)It really is an embarrassment for the entire country. First contest and it turns out an utter disaster. But from everything I've heard and read, Mayor Pete took it in stride.
As for Iowa? We may have seen the last Iowa caucus; it's no longer quaint and charming. Just chaotic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
handmade34
(22,757 posts)and the area was plastered with "Pete 2020" signs... saw 1 "Tulsi" and a few "Warren" no "Biden" and no "Bernie"
...for what it's worth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)They do not reflect our diverse country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,056 posts)it is a highly conservative state and severely lacks diversity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gab13by13
(21,385 posts)that discusses Shadow. According to Raw Story, and according to the FEC, Joe Biden and mayor Pete have paid Shadow for services. They don't say what kind of services only that it was for their presidential campaigns.
Raw Story also reported that the Nevada Democratic party has paid Shadow for services to be used in its election.
Trump is hammering Democrats over this, where is Tom Perez?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)should your candidate...I take solace in the belief that Sanders will not be the nominee...and this is his last run...he won't be turning Democratic four years from now for another go...hopefully we have an incumbent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)you can post this here as it is only RW sites that there is something wrong with this firm other than perhaps incompetence or the lack of training...I don't think Iowa is tech savvy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Not an obstacle but an opportunity to show his class and his brains, on to NH.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
James48
(4,438 posts)what you, or I, or any of us want.
First ballot in Des Moines had Bernie at 61%.
That doesn't matter.
Apparently the only thing that matters is the oligarchs running this charade.
I'm taking up French lessons. Macron said he'd take Americans.
They have democracy in France.
And protests in the street.
And decent food.
And wine. Oh, they have good wine.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,634 posts)..there was no terrorist attack or no plot to disenfranchise anyone. There are just too many damned candidates for a caucus to run smoothly...
that was a cnn early estimate..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,120 posts)there won't be a clear winner, because there are a lot of candidates.
Yes, there was a computer issue, but just because Pete didn't win whatever percentage he felt he was entitled to means only that some people chose different candidates for the caucus.
In ours, what was the most striking thing was that everyone (except the Biden group, which seemed odd, but OK) said that they would happily vote for any of our candidates. We had four viable groups, Biden, Warren, Pete, and Sanders. From other people who I've been to training with and who I know, the results were similar in most places. Our three precincts had slightly differing numbers, but it was those four.
I'd also like to add that the caucus is run by volunteers who aren't the big cats in the party.
We're normal people who take training and work our asses off to make it all work.
I dislike that so many seem to think we're all both hicks and dishonest. Those of us who run these things are strong democrats who feel a sense of duty to the party and are willing to give up an enormous amount of time and energy to make it happen and all we get from fellow Democrats is "you guys suck".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dsc
(52,166 posts)it was one caucus as you well know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(23,147 posts)He knows for sure he's at least one of the leaders, so yes, that's an easier place to be. However, he was responding like a mature thinking adult this morning when he could have been crying "poor me" or yelling, but he did neither. I like him more for how he handled the shitshow than I did before and already thought he was pretty outstanding.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)In our precinct, he was viable immediately and most of Amy's supporters (an almost viable group) slid down the bleachers to join his supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,166 posts)but it won't matter. All the coverage will be on what a mess this was, Impeachment, and the State of the Union.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IronLionZion
(45,514 posts)and our candidates might get a lot more liberal and diverse
DC has the most LGBT % of any state/district so it could help Mayor Pete in other ways too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sparko55
(52 posts)What a clusterfuck in Iowa. Repeat of 2016 "fix" leaves horrible taste in voter perception of competence of Democratic party. Friends in Des Moines who participated last evening reported confusion at best, and chaos at worst, neither a really desirable outcone.
Why is it so hard to cast a ballot in America? Just asking.
Like a candidate for a job interview, you've got the first 15 seconds to a minute to make the first impression and largely the decision is made by then.
Dems had the whole stage last night between the book ends of the denouement of the kangaroo Senate impeachment proceedings and the clown show tonight of the SOTU to show the public they are up to the task and they exhibited gross incompetence.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Some people (I think mostly Republicans, some posing as Bernie supporters on Twitter) are saying the DNC did this on purpose to screw Bernie. But putting aside the obvious issues with that theory, such as the fact that the DNC doesn't directly control the caucuses and that it would be a lot easier to rig a secret ballot primary than a caucus where people are posting results from their precinct on Twitter all night, I feel like this debacle has the potential to screw over candidates like Buttigieg way more than Bernie. Bernie already has the name recognition and is likely to win New Hampshire, so he didn't need Iowa as a breakout state the way Pete did.
No matter what, I feel for all of the candidates and their staff/volunteers who worked so hard in Iowa for so long only to have it turn into a debacle. This isn't good for any of them, and I wish everyone here would recognize that the only person who really benefits from what happened last night is Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NoMoreRepugs
(9,453 posts)of the country and are not representative of our diversity - so why do we all put such importance on them?? In the final vote count they really dont mean much at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I didn't even stay up late enough to see his speech. I heard it was great. But it was late at night, and totally overshadowed by the disaster, and clouded by the uncertainty of the results.
All signs point to him getting a strong second place at least, way above expectations. But the delegates coming out of Iowa aren't what matters. It's a proving ground. It's where Obama first proved himself and gave that amazing victory speech. If this had happened in 2008, we may not have had a president Obama.
I don't think it's Pete's only shot. But, yeah, it's a big missed opportunity.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided