Oh c'mon people, snap out of it! Can we stop pizza-gating Iowa until we have at least one fact

[beastie boy]

straight about it?

You all remember what facts are, don't you? And you can still tell the difference between a fact and a conspiracy theory, can't you?

[brutus smith]

1. What a joke!

1st play of the game we fumble, and they have the ball on our 1 yard line.

[rockfordfile]

14. who?

[brutus smith]

37. If you have to ask, me telling you would not do any good.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. Good analogy...what a cluster fuck!! We need a quick explanation & announcement of results!!

It better come out today!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[gab13by13]

2. Tom Perez needs to get out in front of this or Trump will.

[Sunsky]

3. I agree nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. Seriously... and he better do it FAST!!!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Demsrule86]

19. Stop...Perez can't fix this...this is Iowa. they will fix it but no matter who comes out first...it

won't matter now...move on to New Hampshire.

[bluedye33139]

4. Not run around shrieking and waving our arms in the air? Where's

the fun in that?

[beastie boy]

6. I know, I am a killjoy...

[samnsara]

5. its a glitch!

[treestar]

7. Long forgotten in November

The ACA was doomed because of the web site.

[Mike 03]

8. When we surrender the narrative

we allow our opponents and the MSM to tell us what happened.

My version is: We had three obviously viable candidates, now we move forward.

We are lucky because we have an embarrassment of riches.

Congratulations to Mayor Pete, Bernie and Elizabeth.

And it's not over for Joe or Amy.

Onward and upward!

EDIT: I'm not suggesting we concoct conspiracy theories, just capitalize on the fact three candidates did very well.

[beastie boy]

9. When we spread conspiracy theories, we surrender the narrative.

It's tempting to jump ahead of everyone with a half-cooked or totally batshit narrative, but it will do a lot of damage in the long run. A narrative is only as good as the facts behind it.

[Mike 03]

10. +1000

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. It's over for Joe if he's not in the top three out of Iowa...people should just admit it!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

38. This is precisely what I do not like about our primary/caucus system.

Why should voters in a handful of smaller states determine who I get to choose from next month?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. Its just the tradition. I like hands-on politics as an effective way to identify viable candidates.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Sloumeau]

11. There are already a lot of facts:

1. The voting app was hard to install, so some people did not install it.
2. Even if you could get the app installed, it did not work for some people.
3. When the app did not work, there were not enough phone lines to call the numbers in.
4. Caucus rules were changed this year, and some of the people running things blew it by not following the new rules.
5. The campaigns of the candidates did various things such as: 1) claim victory and move on 2) not claim victory and move on 3) send a letter complaining about the process and asking for a delay in reporting the numbers.

We have plenty of facts. What we do not have are the final numbers. We theoretically should get those later today

[Mike 03]

12. That's reassuring.

So we will get actual numbers.

Because I'm seeing articles saying, "We may never know..."

Numbers would clear up a lot.

[Bettie]

31. Everything is documented

on paper. Everything was called in, but a lot of it was very late because of the call centers.

Better to release accurate numbers after a delay than have to change numbers as the Republicans did in the last two Republican caucuses.

[beastie boy]

24. There will be more. What distresses me is people drawing conclusions based on the absence of facts.

Including here on DU

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. Now if the media could stay on message with this, that would be great.

Something tells me they're going to go with a more sensational angle, however.

[Sloumeau]

26. Well, look at CNN.com...

instead of calling this a voting delay due to things like software problems, they called it a "meltdown". Here is their current headline:

"Iowa Meltdown Hands Opening To Trump"

They had problems with a new software app. A "meltdown"? Go fly a kite, CNN!

[Pacifist Patriot]

30. Oh good grief!

[samnsara]

13. maybe just MAYBE the glitch was caused by a high turnout?

[Sunsky]

20. Last night the MSNBC panel

stated that turnout is expected to be at 2016 level, which is less than expected. They were hoping for an Obama 2008 level of turnout.

[Vogon_Glory]

16. FACT: The Democratic Party is racially and ethnically diverse

Our Iowa caucuses are unlikely to project who will win our party’s Presidential nomination.

If the lame-stream corporate news media is disappointed that they don’t yet have a particular target to play micro-scandal and what-about games with, that’s their tough kibbles.

[DeterDeter]

21. yes

There were clearly a lot of issues with the administration of this caucus, but I can only hope that some of the conspiracy theories that I'm seeing on Twitter (literally Mayor Cheat is trending) are the result of trolls and not serious people.

[mr_lebowski]

27. Regardless whether they directly fucked with the communications ...

Our 'friends' at the Internet Research Agency I'm fairly certain would be all over the twitter machine trying to shape reactions and create strife, and egging on a big ol' conspiracy theory against Bernie like they did in 2016.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. Not quite sure why it's hard to understand that volunteers who stepped up four years ago and were

asked to follow a new reporting process culminating in an untested app is a shitshow. There's no conspiracy; it's human nature.

[Pacifist Patriot]

23. I'm feeling nostalgic for the days election results weren't expected within minutes.

Not that I want to give up electricity and indoor plumbing mind you, but not freaking out because we don't know a clear winner the morning after a caucus would be nice.

[beastie boy]

28. Did these days you are nostalgic about happen within the past mont?

No? Then I have no Idea what you are talking about.

[Pacifist Patriot]

29. I honestly have no idea how to take your reply.

[beastie boy]

32. It was a snyde comment on the short news cycle span that dominates news media today

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. Thanks!

It is amazing how much our assumed attention spans have shrunk since CNN premiered in 1980.

[Bettie]

33. Thank you

And all the people who want paper ballots counted by hand? Well, that would take a while to count too...no answer fifteen minutes after the polls close!

[Pacifist Patriot]

35. I made that point in another thread.

I'm willing to wait days or weeks to get results I have confident reflect the will of the voters. Unfortunately, I don't think there are too many candidates, campaigns, political parties, or journalists who wouls get on board with that.

[Bettie]

36. Yeah, everyone wants it all right this very second

ready or not.

ETA: People forget that paper records need to be transported. I'm taking our town's three precincts' results to our county chair this morning. Glad we don't have the freezing rain that was possible.