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BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:06 PM Feb 2020

Elizabeth Warren Has a Movement. You Just Don't See It Yet.

Nobody knows who won the Iowa caucuses—but Warren’s support was powered by the feminist spirit of 2018.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/iowa-caucus-democrats-elizabeth-warren/

This Joan Walsh column is from yesterday. We may know the "winners" by now. But the column is still an interesting read.

...
Nevertheless, Elizabeth Warren persisted Monday night. She took selfies past midnight at a high-energy “victory” party, where staffers, volunteers and national surrogates said they felt very good about what the campaign had achieved. (Here’s her speech.) Not that Warren declared victory: A thirsty Mayor Pete Buttigieg audaciously did that, while Senator Bernie Sanders’s campaign released internal results showing him ahead of both Buttigieg and Warren—with only 40 percent of precincts reporting. After midnight, Warren senior strategist Joe Rospars calmly tweeted, “It’s a very close race among the top three candidates (Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg) and Biden came a distant fourth.” Calm energy is the trademark of Warren’s campaign.
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Even if Warren finishes third, her vaunted ground game proved itself. And it’s not just a bloodless game of turf-cutting (campaign-speak for identifying potential supporters and getting them out) and door-knocking. Warren has been quietly building a movement, and in the closing days it became apparent that it’s a women’s movement. Whatever happened, she clarified her campaign’s rationale in this state’s grueling Thunderdome.

On Monday afternoon, at one of dozens of small rallies to get people out to caucus, an excited young volunteer named Jackie Sayers, who used to work for Senator Kamala Harris, proudly introduced top Warren surrogate Representative Katie Porter as “part of the blue wave of women who organized and ran and won in 2018.” Porter took that baton, shouting out her class of 2018 “sister surrogates,” Representatives Ayanna Pressley and Deb Haaland, also traveling Iowa for Warren, noting that the Massachusetts senator’s campaign is the only one whose cochairs are all women. Pressley sounded the same notes at a Warren rally on Saturday. Women have made up the majority of Warren’s donors. And women made up the majority of her volunteers I met along the way—women who’ve fallen hard for Warren.
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Mary Kahl was undecided when I met her at a Warren event in Oskaloosa in late May. Now she was hosting this Warren GOTC event in Des Moines. She came over to Warren because she’s a medical professional and she believes in Medicare for All. “I see people die. I see people unable to afford their medicine,” she tells me emotionally. I ask: What about the charges Warren’s plan isn’t truly Medicare for All, because of its longer phase-in time than Sanders’s? She cuts me off, exasperated. “Please. She’s got a great plan. It’s been vetted by economists. It’s because she’s a woman. Men don’t have to answer a damn thing about details!” [emphasis mine]
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At the Warren “victory” event, I stood in a corner with some veteran Iowa politicos who did not want to be named. Warren supporters, they were nonetheless sad for Biden. The best information I have is that he will play this out at least through South Carolina, where he hopes black voters will get him through. But I met one of Warren’s South Carolina surrogates at a Des Moines GOTC event Monday afternoon, her spiritual adviser, Reverend Miniard Culpepper of Pleasant Hill Missionary Baptist Church in Boston. He says Warren will do better than expected with black voters in the Palmetto State.
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Much more at the link. Walsh provides an excellent description of her experience in Iowa.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Elizabeth Warren Has a Movement. You Just Don't See It Yet. (Original Post) BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 OP
"Nobody knows who won the Iowa caucuses"...True, but we know who didn't... brooklynite Feb 2020 #1
Did you read the article? BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #2
Well, Warren will get more delegates out of Iowa than Biden. bluewater Feb 2020 #3
Pete declared victory squirecam Feb 2020 #4
Did the article say otherwise? BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #5
I'm tired of the fake outrage squirecam Feb 2020 #6
Where have I declared "fake outrage?" BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #8
lol ikr bluewater Feb 2020 #9
You're welcome, bluewater! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #15
You asked whether the article squirecam Feb 2020 #11
Pete still hasn't won Iowa yet. bluewater Feb 2020 #12
Chicago Tribune wished it waited before printing 'Dewey Defeats Truman" LanternWaste Feb 2020 #14
If you're getting your knickers BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #16
not win 80% but have an 80% chance of winning. bluewater Feb 2020 #7
My candidate will not win NH squirecam Feb 2020 #10
My guess is Warren's keeping her hand close and not providing any tells. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #13
This is true. BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #17
 

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
1. "Nobody knows who won the Iowa caucuses"...True, but we know who didn't...
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:09 PM
Feb 2020

...and who probably won't win NH.

I like Warren and I'm impressed with her energy, but I'm not seeing her turn that into votes.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
2. Did you read the article?
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:14 PM
Feb 2020

She was doing just that, per this article.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
3. Well, Warren will get more delegates out of Iowa than Biden.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:16 PM
Feb 2020

That's a start.

I am waiting to see if the primary collapses into a two person race, if that happens, I don't expect Warren to be one of those two.

But if it stays a multi-candidate contest past Super Tuesday I can easily see Warren finishing with at least the third most delegates heading into the convention.

Time will tell.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
4. Pete declared victory
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:18 PM
Feb 2020

And he was right. He is projected to win 80% by the NYT based on the results.

Making Pete wait a week to give a victory speech is absurd.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
5. Did the article say otherwise?
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:19 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
6. I'm tired of the fake outrage
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:23 PM
Feb 2020

Because Pete claimed victory. Every campaign had #’s. His were correct.

Iowa is about momentum. He earned the win. Not insults/slur of being called “thirsty”.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thirsty

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BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
8. Where have I declared "fake outrage?"
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:28 PM
Feb 2020


If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. lol ikr
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:30 PM
Feb 2020

Would you call that a form of gas lighting? Or is it just an over the top form of strawman rhetoric?

I suppose it was the latter.

Thanks for the post, Blue.

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BlueMTexpat

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15. You're welcome, bluewater! eom
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 07:12 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
11. You asked whether the article
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:35 PM
Feb 2020

Slammed Pete for claiming victory. It certainly did. Calling him audacious and thirsty.

Was he supposed to wait a week? No.

And this is fake outrage. People are just mad because he won. In the same position, they woul$ try to claim victory. Which is exactly what JEFF WEAVER did too.

But Pete is the thirsty one.....

If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
12. Pete still hasn't won Iowa yet.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:00 PM
Feb 2020

The latest count has Pete and Bernie tied at 11 delegates each.

And they declare the Iowa winner based on delegates assigned. So right now it's a tie.

Did Bernie declare victory? Um, no, he did not.

So maybe, just maybe, Pete was a teensy bit "thirsty"?

Seems so.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Chicago Tribune wished it waited before printing 'Dewey Defeats Truman"
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:09 PM
Feb 2020

"Was he supposed to wait a week? No..."

Chicago Tribune wished it waited before printing 'Dewey Defeats Truman" one late afternoon in early November of 1948.

Premature claims of victory can bite a candidate in the butt and wind up being the only thing they're remembered for.

The primary will run its own course in its own time, regardless of the impatient fellows righteously yelling at the rain to stop falling on them.

Pete probably did win. And great for him! But 'probably' just ain't accurate enough to take to the bank.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
16. If you're getting your knickers
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 07:22 PM
Feb 2020

in a twist over "thirsty" and "audacious," you're going to have a VERY tough time when GOPer homophobes start in.

And that's hardly "fake outrage." The words were descriptive. Pete may have been thirsty indeed, given all the hard campaigning that he's done.

And, no matter what, it is audacious to announce oneself the winner before the official results are in, even if it looks very likely to be true. In fact, "audacious" is one of the kinder words one can use.

That was literally a throwaway sentence in a long article. And THAT's ALL that you retained from it? Sheesh! I'm disappointed in you.



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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
7. not win 80% but have an 80% chance of winning.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:25 PM
Feb 2020

There's a significant difference between the two.


Pete will not be getting 80% of the delegates out of Iowa.

That said, Pete had a great Iowa caucus and was robbed of the spotlight he deserved on caucus night.

Good luck to you and your candidate moving forward!

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
10. My candidate will not win NH
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 03:31 PM
Feb 2020

So I’m realistic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
13. My guess is Warren's keeping her hand close and not providing any tells.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:03 PM
Feb 2020

As we get closer to Super Tuesday, she'll begin to throw her cards down and placing bets.

She's a wise and cool-headed player-- not really engaging in the petulant factionalism the rest of us are obsessing over, and she's studiously avoiding the idiotic, back-and-forth bumper-sticker debates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
17. This is true.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 07:23 PM
Feb 2020

Thanks for your take!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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