*****DEBATE THREAD #2*****

[highplainsdem]

Since the first one is well over a hundred replies already...

[elleng]

1. Thanks.

Good stuff happening, imo.

[highplainsdem]

4. Yes, it's a good debate.

[JudyM]

2. Liz on fire! Fight government corruption!

[Baitball Blogger]

7. +1

[dalton99a]

3. Kick

[squirecam]

5. Here comes the tough Q for Yang on Trumps conduct

Trump needs to go to jail. Sorry.

[MustLoveBeagles]

6. Thanks for the new thread

[highplainsdem]

9. You're welcome! I was shocked by how fast replies were added to the first thread.

Thanks for that first thread!

[MustLoveBeagles]

31. You're welcome

Joe has the fire in the belly tonight.

[scheming daemons]

8. Yang just lost the debate with this answer...

....sounds like he'd be willing to pardon Trump.

Not acceptable.

[Peacetrain]

10. ruh roh

[squirecam]

11. I agree. But he wasn't going to get the nomination anyway

Here comes Steyer. This is made for him.

[Steelrolled]

16. I couldn't care less what happens to Trump after the election

If pardoning makes him go away faster, I'm all for it.

[squirecam]

69. No on pardons

Just no

[PatSeg]

81. That's how many felt after GW Bush

and no one was held accountable for torture, black sites, the financial meltdown, invading a sovereign nation, corporate giveaways, etc. Can't do that again.

[Steelrolled]

161. Who would have prosecuted GW Bush and why didn't it happen?

As I remember, President Obama wanted no part of it, although he didn't pardon him.

[PatSeg]

162. Not just Bush himself

There was plenty of corruption and scandal in that administration. You're right though, it was Obama who said we need to look forward, not backward. The lack of accountability gives others permission to do whatever they want, because there will be no consequences.

[Midnightwalk]

123. Consequences and deterrence

The rich and powerful never suffer consequences that matter. Unpunished illegal acts and profits encourages more of the same.

[DesertRat]

20. Bye bye Yang

Link to tweet

[PatSeg]

84. Goodbye!

[squirecam]

85. Yep

Maybe the repubs will vote for him. That way trump won’t be prosecuted either way.

[MustLoveBeagles]

21. Oh wow

[we can do it]

61. Just plain wrong.

[SunSeeker]

150. Yes, his answer really made me mad. These people must not escape justice.

If we don't hold them accountable, then they really will be above the law.

[JoeOtterbein]

12. Best debate yet so far during this great...

...Primary!

[squirecam]

108. Agreed

Nt

[MontanaFarmer]

13. Bernie gave a great answer on trump's conduct.

Nailed it.

[scheming daemons]

14. I love that so far this debate they are ALL focusing on Trump!

That's where the electorate is.


Finally!

[livetohike]

15. Steyer telling the truth. Trump is incompetent. Steyer is

very passionate.

[squirecam]

17. Pete just gave the "no more Hunter Biden" answer

Very well done.

[femmedem]

39. Yes, that's his best moment so far in this debate, I think. nt

[bullwinkle428]

18. Amazing job by Pete on the Hunter Biden question!

[scheming daemons]

19. Pete standing up for Biden is very big for me... I love that.

[Ron Green]

28. ...and now Biden has EVERYBODY standing up!

[we can do it]

57. ❤️❤️❤️Thank you Joe❤️❤️❤️❤️

[SunSeeker]

151. +1

[SunSeeker]

153. I loved it when Joe asked everyone to stand up to honor Vindman. Everyone did.

[MustLoveBeagles]

34. A great moment

[Cha]

137. I'm not watching.. if you have time could you

tell me what Pete said? thank you!

[SunSeeker]

154. Pete basically said Trump is raising Hunter as a distraction and we shouldn't fall for it.

And that trying to "weaponize" a son against his father is very "dishonorable." 

He got quite a cheer from the crowd.

[Cha]

156. Oh wonderful to read, SunSeeker.. Mahalo!

What was the question? Was Pete directing it to the Mod or did some other candidate?

I really appreciate Pete saying that.. It's so true.. Thank you!

[SunSeeker]

157. I can't recall the question exactly; something about commenting on the Hunter Biden attacks.

Joe thanked Pete. It was a sweet moment.

[Cha]

158. Oh I bet Biden was grateful!

Thank you!

[spooky3]

22. I am so thankful that these great candidates are working so hard for us. Nt

[bullwinkle428]

23. And great on Joe for the Col. Vindman shout-out!

[IcyPeas]

149. I was late to the party. Wondered if anyone would mention Vindman. nt

[SunSeeker]

155. Biden asked the whole audience to stand up and show their support for Vindman.

It was really touching. I hope the Vindman brothers were watching.

[scheming daemons]

24. Joe! I love that! Everybody stand for Vindman!

Awesome

[femmedem]

41. That was beautiful! n/t

[William769]

25. Theres the fighting Joe I remember.

[Cha]

130. ..

[livetohike]

26. Stand up and clap for Vindman. Way to go Joe! n/t

[squirecam]

29. Nice moment

Nt

[Funtatlaguy]

40. Attaboy Joe. Great idea

[Cha]

136. Thanks for that, livetohike!

[squirecam]

27. Here come HRC......

And AMY doesn’t take the bait.

[StevieM]

36. Well of course they have to invite people to show how cool they are by picking on the class nerd.

This is pointless.

[scheming daemons]

30. Joe and Bernie with the sideways hug! Awesome!

I love this group.

[redqueen]

32. The Biden/Sanders and Klobuchar/Sanders interactions are giving me life.

[nolabear]

49. Civility. Respect. Humanity.

[Ellen Forradalom]

67. I do wish Bernie would not try to grab attention when someone else is speaking.

That's just rude

[femmedem]

33. So glad Pete didn't take the bait re: worry about nominating Biden if the R's investigate him.

He's right; all the Democrats need to hammer on this being an incredible abuse of power and how despicable it is to weaponize a man's son against him.

[SunSeeker]

160. Yes, Pete gave a great response. nt

[squirecam]

35. AMY is killing it

Nt

[femmedem]

47. She's a consistently strong debater.

I think people are beginning to take notice.

[highplainsdem]

50. She's been very good in these debates and she's getting better with each one.

[Ellen Forradalom]

60. Agreed

[Ellen Forradalom]

63. Bernie, stop waving your arm and listen

When a woman is speaking. Bad optics.

[Cha]

139. Good advice.

[spooky3]

37. Klobuchar just had a great moment. Nt

[squirecam]

42. Yep

Nt

[BootinUp]

75. She did very well there, yes.

[denem]

38. When does Elizabeth get to speak?

[squirecam]

43. Gotta fight your way in

Nt

[denem]

46. Thats the job of the mods.

[squirecam]

52. You play the game they are calling

These refs are calling it loose. So you need to adjust and fight inside.

Or stay mute on the outside.

[spooky3]

45. She needs to wave a big foam finger. Nt

[denem]

48. F that for a joke.

The mods keep calling on everyone else.

[squirecam]

54. That didn't stop Steyer and Yang

Nt

[spooky3]

55. That's my point. Seems she has to turn cartwheels to be recognized. Nt

[denem]

59. I've had enough. Will watch the replays.

Great to see 'smoking Joe back in form.

[spooky3]

65. Hang in there. This is a long debate. I think she'll

Push back more as the evening goes along.

[JudyM]

53. She's been A++ when she has had the chance to speak. Would like more time, too.

[cilla4progress]

44. They bring tears

to my eyes.

[William769]

51. Go Pete Go!

[UniteFightBack]

56. Joe is ready to start not day one...but MINUTE ONE. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

114. And he knows what needs to be reversed that trump effed up.

[UniteFightBack]

120. Apparently that's not 'exciting' enough for some folks. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

145. Different view. Never thought I was cautious and

never thought I cared about traditions until trump darkened our door.

But I know I want things returned back to decent and normal - ground zero, ground Obama. It will take time. Then we can dive into moving forward with lots of the great ideas others have.

[Cha]

141. +1!!!

[femmedem]

58. Despite Pete's lack of national experience, he shines on these foreign policy questions.

I think they are his strongest suit and his answers come from authentic passion.

He sounds really offended that Trump dismisses the intelligence community and dishonors his role as commander in chief.

[MBS]

82. He has a real feel for foreign policy

Fresh, knowledgeable, deep insight. Plus excellent judgment, wisdom, and ability to think on his feet. I’d rather have him take that 3 AM phone call than anyone else on that stage.

[BootinUp]

62. Pete can DO it. Just like that. Ripped the IMPOTUS to shreds.

[elleng]

71. Yes

[JudyM]

64. Wondering if there was a conference call with Perez today urging them to put up a united front

to dispel voters’ concerns about Dem competence, the line that Faux has been spouting since Iowa.

[nolabear]

66. Mayor Pete is kind of losing me. He's smart but stands so alone.

Maybe I’m old but I’m really comforted by the senators and VP Biden knowing the history, knowing one another and others, knowing what a danger the GOP is now, in a visceral, experienced way.

[femmedem]

126. It's comforting, for sure, to know that Biden and the senators have deep working relationships

with the people they would need to collaborate with. If I didn't think Pete was so smart, and if I didn't trust our Democratic leaders to immediately work as a team, I'd be more concerned about his lack of Washington experience. But I agree, having those relationships already is an advantage.

[squirecam]

68. Joe prepared for tonight

He needed to show up strong, and he has so far.

Warren is getting shut out, and isn’t trying to fight for time.....

[scheming daemons]

70. Frankly... other than Yang, they're all having a great debate

[squirecam]

72. Trump need to be accountable even after November

Yang needs to learn that.

[MustLoveBeagles]

76. Yeah

I was really disappointed with his answer.

[highplainsdem]

73. I agree.

[nolabear]

79. True dat. I'm enjoying it. And they're not taking bait.

The mods are trying to get them to attack. Only Pete is taking the bait. I’m not sure he’s not doing Joe a favor.

[UniteFightBack]

86. +1000

[spooky3]

98. Actually, I think Yang is coming across as sincere and

likable. His answer on prosecuting Trump after he leaves office can be criticized. I don’t think Yang has much of a chance but he seems to be a very decent and smart guy.

[femmedem]

74. Bernie's answer on strengthening the State department was strong. n/t

[squirecam]

77. Joe defends the Kurds and troops but doesn't go after Warren directly

[elleng]

78. Good for Joe, re: Get out of Afghanistan.

[BeyondGeography]

80. These pot-stirring FP questions suck

[squirecam]

88. It's a debate

It’s expected

[BeyondGeography]

99. More like one Republican talking point after another

[Bettie]

146. They love to frame questions in "made for Republicans"

ways to ensure that they will be able to give their masters the right clips.

[UniteFightBack]

83. You damn skippy we need a little footprint there to keep shit in line. Go Joe! nt

[nolabear]

87. Thank GOD Joe is talking international relations!

It’s one of the main assets he’s got. And he’s doing really well.

[highplainsdem]

90. Yes. I like Pete, but when he's trying to suggest he can handle foreign policy and restore our

credibility in the world better than Joe, I can't help noticing how young he is, and thinking, "Mayor of South Bend."

[femmedem]

111. No doubt Joe would restore our international credibility immediately. n/t

[emmaverybo]

148. Too Dawgie Hoyser, smart as he is. Needs to concede to lack of experience and go with his strengths.

He usually does that.

[UniteFightBack]

91. He knows all the world leaders by their first names. Huge. nt

[Cha]

140. So Good to hear, Nola!

I'm not watching so awesome to read this!

[JudyM]

89. Steyer's doing a good job of continuing to turn the topic back to trump.

[Gothmog]

92. Joe Biden-we need to give a medal to Vindman

Link to tweet

[Peacetrain]

117. Oh my God that is great!!!!

About time..

[MustLoveBeagles]

131. Absolutely!

[Cha]

138. Retweeted!

Mahalo, Goth!

[SunSeeker]

159. Best moment of the night.

[cilla4progress]

93. ANY ONE

OF THEM!!!!

Except maybe Steyer.

[squirecam]

94. Steyers answer on commander in chief was weak

Biden is getting a bit too screamy though in response.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

95. See I'm starting to think that when candidates brag

about accomplishments it is not a good look.

[JudyM]

96. Joe's yelling. And Bernie responds very calmly. Nice.

(For those not watching, Joe was yelling about foreign policy, not at Bernie)

[squirecam]

103. Bernie is better

When he isn’t screaming.

He started out calm....but now is screamy too....

[spooky3]

105. Men are allowed to yell. Women aren't. Nt

[JudyM]

112. Amy has been yelling a lot!

[spooky3]

113. I don't see her as yelling. Nt

[Bonobo]

97. Joe doesn't look good when he loses his shit.

[zackymilly]

101. Joe looks mad.

[UniteFightBack]

107. It's called sticking up for oneself and passion. nt

[nolabear]

119. Really. I think he looks appropriately pissed.

[highplainsdem]

121. LOL! He looks better than Bernie. And I wish my TV had a way to turn down the volume on Bernie.

[Cha]

143. Fistbump!

[Cha]

144. Au Contraire.. Biden looks

Great!

[emmaverybo]

147. I love it when he gets his fire going.

[amuse bouche]

100. I am liking this debate. Each and every one is 100 x better than Orange Mussolini

[spooky3]

109. Agree nt

[UniteFightBack]

102. Joe is on muthafucking fire. nt

[Cha]

142. FIRED UP & READY TO GO, JOE!

[livetohike]

104. Finally hitting on climate change. n/t

[JudyM]

106. Yes! Sanders saying get countries together to pool resources to fight climate change instead of

spending so much on fighting each other.

[thinkingagain]

110. Dang this debate sounds great

Sorry I’m missing it

[JudyM]

115. It's the best I've ever seen. And there's a real sense of common bond up there on the stage.

The questioners are doing a pretty good job with their questions and moderating too, with a few exceptions.

They need to bring Yang in more.

[nolabear]

124. It's really good isn't it? They all seem strong and able to debate

rather than desperate and needing to lash out.

[JudyM]

132. Unlike here.

[squirecam]

116. Best one I have seen

Only truly bad answer was Yang on Trump pardon issue.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

118. Still not attacking trump enough for my liking. It's like a gold mine to pick from.

[Bayard]

122. Dang it!

I expected it to start at 8:00 Central like they usually do, so I've missed the first hour.

[Peacetrain]

127. go up and listen to link on post # 92

awesome!!!

[MustLoveBeagles]

125. I've started a new debate thread

Here's the link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287487384

[PatSeg]

128. This is the best debate so far

Everyone is excellent and these moderators are much better than CNN.

[highplainsdem]

129. DEBATE THREAD 3 HERE:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287487384

[FailureToCommunicate]

133. Quote of the night so far: "We have a new face in the White House, and look what THAT'S

gotten us!" -Response to Buttigieg by Klobuchar

[squirecam]

134. Amy gets the drug/prosecutor question

I thought she did fine.

[Midnightwalk]

135. Thanks for threads

Can’t watch it live where Im at so this is next best thing. From comments i have to watch later.

[raging moderate]

152. I'm glad they are talking about racism and reparation.

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It was good to hear them all agree about fighting the injustices against Black people and others, and agreeing to protect their right to vote. I do wish they would talk a little more about Native Americans, especially with Native Americans still struggling to be allowed to vote. The bogus excuse that they don't have an address is despicable!