Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThat Kiss, and Other Daily Indignities - #MeToo isn't just about rape and harassment
In the days since Lucy Flores detailed an encounter with Joe Biden that made her feel uneasy, gross, and confused, we have seen in real time the limits of how much Americans are willing to listen to women.
After Flores described a meeting where Biden put his hands on her shoulders, smelled her hair, and kissed her head, the former Nevada assemblywoman has been accused of everything from misunderstanding an everyday friendly interaction to deliberately trying to ruin Bidens potential presidential run.
Some people have even compiled photo collages of Flores being embraced by other politicians a sign, supposedly, of her hypocrisy. If she didnt mind these touches, they say, why give Biden a hard time?
All these reactions demonstrate the same thing: We are not comfortable talking about the violations women endure unless theyre explicit, violent, or illegal.
https://medium.com/s/jessica-valenti/that-kiss-and-other-daily-indignities-455d2dc29ee3
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blue cat
(2,415 posts)Has me supporting Biden even more now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Is absolutely damaging to the metoo movement. Claiming this is a disqualifier for Biden is absolutely harmful to the metoo movement.
How this has become a targeted attack on a damn good man is damaging to the metoo movement.
We cannot currently have an honest discussion about the patriarchal tendencies in society, or with Biden, because of Flores.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)But she sure did look awfully happy in that pic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Our Vice Presidents space!
Off to the pokey for you!
Is she gone yet?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Merlot
(9,696 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)We need to be able to make a clear distinction between sexual predation and social cluelessness. I don't care to be touched or hugged by people I don't know, but I can tell the difference between sexual touching, which is always offensive, and excessive familiarity, which is merely annoying. Biden and Franken might be accused of social cluelessness but they are not sexual predators and don't deserve to be placed in or even near the same category as Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby (and Donald Trump).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)Very well said. I have been trying to find a succint way to express this, and you said it perfectly. Thank you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
handmade34
(22,756 posts)"But ultimately, this is not about him" I call foul... right here, right now!
There is a bigger issue that needs to be addressed as discussed in the essay, but right now, especially here in this forum, that is not the issue and what we are talking about here (in the Democratic Primaries Forum) IS all about Joe Biden... this article belongs in General Discussion, not here...
there probably isn't a greater advocate of women and their concerns than me (I've been a victim, as have my daughters... I used to shelter abused women in my home and I have fought for them and counseled them)
women need to be heard and changes need to be made,... I believe Lucy Flores has a right to her feelings in the appropriate avenue, but right here, right now, it is about something else
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)People have seen through what is happening and whether it is intentional or not, the damage being done to "ME TOO", to Democratic politics, and to a good man. That man may have some lessons to learn on our changing times but is undeserving of this slime campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)with a goal that it will somehow hurt Biden.
In reality, it is hurting Sanders because it is focusing a spotlight on his campaign as the originator of dirty tricks. Many people who had a positive view of Sanders are rethinking. This comes on the heels of hiring David Sirota and Brihana Gray.
People are not stupid. They can smell a rat very easily and it reflects poorly on Sanders.
If Sanders were wise, he would stop what his campaign is doing and get to releasing his tax returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)ZERO
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
yardwork
(61,650 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)were they this eager to get Al Franken kicked out of the Senate?
yardwork
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,650 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)And, those gleefully agreeing.. "100%!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I havnt seen any berners in any forum group or meet up blasting Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
yardwork
(61,650 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And it's about damn time we had us a discussion thread on this subject ...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Don't you know sarcasm when you see it? Esp. when it's coming from me?
We've only had like a freakin' 1000 hand-wringing threads on this
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Mea culpa.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)with an agenda.
https://medium.com/s/jessica-valenti/not-a-man-2020-7688677ee06e
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)A hug is nowhere near a rape. Your trying to put them on an even scale as appalling.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread melman.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Little Star
(17,055 posts)after this hit piece on Joe Biden. I find this crap repulsive. I have men family and friends and I will not participate in this general slander of men as a group.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Count me in. The true movement should speak out against such silliness.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)which is all I need to know about your candidate and your "movement".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)Frankly it's gross the way people are shitting on women's agency. I'm sorry this thread didn't get better discussion and was just more of the same.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Socal31
(2,484 posts)I can only see all of this through the lens if a man. But I fear that the changes to the standard by which we treat victims, happening right now, are irreversible. Hope im wrong.
That being said, I am donating to, promoting, and voting for whoever we put on the ballot, even if I think it was a sub-optimal choice
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)All these years of representing ourselves as feminists and ardent defenders of women's rights, and as soon as it's one of our own involved the mask drops from so many people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)standing up for Al Franken, too?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,650 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)And Id challenge you to provide any proof to the contrary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)On Biden who by the way wrote the violence against women act. She has used me to for political attacks. What did she do about sexual harrassment that she knew about while it happened during the Sanders campaign...nothing. she disgusts me and is a threat against me to..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)fails... not saying you. The only danger to me too and women is Flores who uses it to discredit political opponents. It is a vicious ugly business this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)all was up in Gillibrand's face for "not investigating" but are trying to take down Joe Biden?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)Joe, go ahead and run, secure the nomination, and become the next president of the United States. It's yours if you want it. I'm behind you 110%!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)sexual harrassment of a violent nature during Sanders campaign ,...has admitted it and said and did nothing. Now she makes ridiculous charges against Biden. As a survivor of sexual assault, I can tell you, there are no picturesof me with my arms around my assailant minutes after it happened. Of course I was unconscious. She is a liar and is politically motivated. She has politicized and weaopnized me to and in the end will destroy it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,107 posts)to Bernie?
Two additional women came forward Tuesday to say former Vice President Joe Biden touched them in ways that made them uncomfortable.
The women, Caitlyn Caruso and D. J. Hill, each recounted their experiences to The New York Times.
Caruso, 22, told the Times that Biden rested his hand on her thigh even as she attempted to show her discomfort by squirming in her seat during a sexual assault event at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas. Caruso, who was 19 at the time, added that Biden hugged her "just a little bit too long."
She told the newspaper that the interaction was uncomfortable because she had just discussed a time she was sexually assaulted and expected Biden to be aware of physical boundaries.
It doesnt even really cross your mind that such a person would dare perpetuate harm like that, she told the paper. These are supposed to be people you can trust.
Hill, 59, told the Times that while taking a photograph with Biden in 2012, the then-vice president placed his hand on her shoulder and began moving it down her back, something she said made her "very uncomfortable."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437069-two-more-women-accuse-biden-of-inappropriate-touching
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)will become clear as time goes by.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)as Eager to get Al Franken kicked out of the Senate?
Were they impressed with Senator Gillibrand's "railroading" with "no investigations"?
I'm so sorry what happened to you, Dems
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)been married 30 years and told my husband about it for the first time two days ago. He was wonderful. He knew something had happened but I never discussed it in any detail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)for you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,107 posts)Two additional women came forward Tuesday to say former Vice President Joe Biden touched them in ways that made them uncomfortable.
The women, Caitlyn Caruso and D. J. Hill, each recounted their experiences to The New York Times.
Caruso, 22, told the Times that Biden rested his hand on her thigh even as she attempted to show her discomfort by squirming in her seat during a sexual assault event at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas. Caruso, who was 19 at the time, added that Biden hugged her "just a little bit too long."
She told the newspaper that the interaction was uncomfortable because she had just discussed a time she was sexually assaulted and expected Biden to be aware of physical boundaries.
It doesnt even really cross your mind that such a person would dare perpetuate harm like that, she told the paper. These are supposed to be people you can trust.
Hill, 59, told the Times that while taking a photograph with Biden in 2012, the then-vice president placed his hand on her shoulder and began moving it down her back, something she said made her "very uncomfortable."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437069-two-more-women-accuse-biden-of-inappropriate-touching
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PDittie
(8,322 posts)Direct vitriol appropriately, please.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dubyadiprecession
(5,714 posts)Do we really need to open that door wider to include them, because we can?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden