Sanders: "Mayor Bloomberg is unvetted"

[bluewater]

Symone Sanders that is.

Link to tweet

I will sit down while the Biden/Bloomberg supporters re-think their responses.

She is right, you know.

[George II]

1. I love that woman, she's great. I even loved her when she worked for the other Sanders, but....

....someone should give her a link to DU.

[denem]

2. If he can beat trump - no one cares.

Live by 'electability', die by 'electability'.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. I care!! ANYONE can beat tRumpty Dumbty, especially Bernie, as polls show.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[bluewater]

5. An we have our first person that didn't read the OP?

Seems so.


It was Symone Sanders.

Biden's chief adviser.

[denem]

9. We have the first, but maybe not the last ...

A sort of DU IQ test

[bluewater]

11. It's more of a "draw play" as in football.

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Get the speedy defense to over-react to misdirection.


And yes, I am joking.

The headline was indeed clickbait though.

It was intended to get more people to read the OP.

[denem]

16. 'Get the speedy defense to over-react to misdirection'

You just gave out your DU modus operandi

[bluewater]

23. One of them. ;)

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I also have "make a narrow argument".

And "don't go off on tangents".

Plus "don't ever make it personal".



I had better make it clear I am mocking myself here. Please don't take that seriously.

lol <--- laughing at myself again.

[Fresh_Start]

25. i remember her from sanders campaign. didnt realize she moved to Biden

so I'm an idiot
but I still don't like it.

[bluewater]

36. The only point is Symone's words should stand on their own merit.

It should not matter whose staff she is on at the moment.

[Fresh_Start]

48. no, i disagree, the spokeperson reflects on the person they are representing nt

in this case it is Biden

[denem]

6. - this is Symone Sanders

Biden's adviser.

[bluewater]

8. I'm bad.

[Fresh_Start]

28. i remembered her from Sanders campaign

still think its a misleading statement
but I better understand the desperation

[bluewater]

37. Do you disagree with Symone saying Bloomberg needs to be vetted?

It should not matter who she works for, does her idea have merit?

[Fresh_Start]

49. i responded to this below...but bottom line, no I don't think Bloomberg is unvetted

is there room for more vetting, i guess there is always room for more vetting...

[bluewater]

50. Understood.

[Kaleva]

4. Bloomberg continues to focus on Trump.

While others spend their time forming circular firing squads.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Bloomberg's smart to focus on tRumpty Dumbty with his statements bout minorities goin viral.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Kaleva]

67. He's always been focused on Trump.

And he continues to gain endorsements from black leaders.

"Bloomberg picks up endorsements from 3 black lawmakers amid stop-and-frisk questions

By Veronica Stracqualursi, CNN

Updated 1:36 PM ET, Wed February 12, 2020"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/politics/michael-bloomberg-congressional-black-caucus-endorsements/index.html

[honest.abe]

7. Ok start the vetting.

I suspect he can handle it.

[ibegurpard]

10. Well she's not wrong

I guess we'll see. If we do end up with a billionaire (which i'm skeptical about) at least he has an electoral record.

[Blue_true]

73. Other big northeast cities that guns were pouring into had a version of Stop and Frisk.

Bloomberg should call on former Mayors like Nutter to step forward on this issue. Due to lack of progress on legistlation like the Brady Bill, guns were pouring into Cities like NYC, Philladelphia, Newark, Boston and were being sold on the street. The guns were used in murders and often innocent people were killed in crossfire during rivalries. It is easy to sit in a Surburban easy chair and critique the tough decisions that Mayors had to make about how to get guns off the streets and let national legistlators such as Sanders very much so due to his repeated votes against the Brady Bill) and Biden (who was a Senator at that time) off the hook. Bloomberg needs to turn the attack back on people like Sanders and Biden, they were, especially Sanders culpable in allowing guns to flood into NYC from states that had very lax gun laws - federal legistlation would have ended that traffic and helped big city Mayors out.

[unitedwethrive]

12. Couldn't agree more...let's vet everyone.

Bernie, care to go first?

[bluewater]

14. I think we might have our second person that did not read the OP.

That was Symone Sanders, Biden's chief adviser, that said that, not Bernie Sanders.

So if anyone should go first, it would be Joe, right?

[unitedwethrive]

20. No, I want Bernie to be vetted. It never happened in 2016

[bluewater]

26. Ok.

But fair is fair, Joe first since Symone brought up vetting Bloomberg.

[Voltaire2]

30. " It never happened in 2016"

more and more it is clear to me
that we all exist in our own reality.

[Rorey]

24. Jumping to a conclusion

I wonder why Ms. Sanders only mentioned Bloomberg when we have a another candidate who hasn't come through with certain promises to divulge certain things.

And I did read your OP, and wondered about your motive. But then it became clear.

I think we're all supposed to be friends here. So to speak.

[Fresh_Start]

32. symone sanders was spokesperson for Bernie in his earlier campaign

thats why it i thought it was bernie side

i'm an idiot for not realizing she changed teams

[bluewater]

39. No, that's an understandable mistake. But do you agree with her?

[Fresh_Start]

47. bloomberg is not unvetted, he's been in the public eye for 2 decades

he has a mixed record to deal with

his commitment at the moment seems to second to none
he is supporting democrats and will support democrats even without the nomination

I am absolutely confident he won't have a hissy fit at the convention and cause the 2024 election to be screwed up

I think he has proven ability to manage a major US city and the US city with the most international contact and influence due to the UN

He has proven he will raise taxes instead of cutting services

he has done over-reach and he doesn't seem to spend much time on intraspection or regret. Regret is overrated...changing is what is required....

[jimfields33]

52. 2024? Bloomberg will be 83!!!! I think this is it.

He either gets the nomination or that’s it. There will be no 2024 unless he’s the incumbent.

[Fresh_Start]

54. i wasn't suggesting he would be running...i'm suggesting he won't piss in the pot nt

nt

[jimfields33]

55. Let's hope not. Are you referring to 2020?

[Rorey]

18. Don't hold your breath

I'm sure not.

[greenjar_01]

13. The twice elected Mayor of New York City is unvetted

OK.

I'm not a Bloomberg fan, but that's just stupid.

New York City, by the way, has a population larger than Vermont, Delaware, Minnesota, and South Bend, IN combined.

(8,600,000 in 2017 v. combined 2018 pop of approx 7,300,000 for VT, VE, MN, and SBIN)

[bluewater]

17. Being vetted Nationally is a different kettle of fish, as they say.

[greenjar_01]

40. Not really

It's NYC, not Duluth.

[uponit7771]

64. Yes really, what flys in NYC doesn't fly nationally especially this overt antagnism

... against PoC in NYC.

I don't see how the guy got a second term, he wouldn't even give the CP5 restitution !!!

WTF is that ?!!?

[greenjar_01]

74. He got a third term!

[uponit7771]

76. Even that's in question, we deserve slightly better than Trump

[jmowreader]

51. Twice RE-elected

He served three terms.

[oldsoftie]

15. Blahbidy blahbity blah.

[bluewater]

19. Are you mocking Symone Sanders?

That was Biden's chief adviser that said that tweet.

[oldsoftie]

22. Yes, I see who said it; i'm already tired of it regardless of my choice of candidate.

If Bloomberg overcomes biden it'll be a very easy move to "Go Mike!!"

[bluewater]

29. Understood.

[helpisontheway]

21. Awww..looks like Sanders is "concerned" about Buttigieg..nt

[bluewater]

27. Symone Sanders didn't mention Buttigieg.

[Clash City Rocker]

31. Vetting is what's happening to him now

[dem4decades]

33. Pretty sure Sanders has been vetted by Trump but Trump is keeping his powder dry.

[Mz Pip]

42. Bernie has 40 years of speeches, comments, policies

His supporters might want to check out some of the positions the GOP will run in ads 24/7 in PA, WI and MI. They’ll portray him as the second coming of Stalin by time they’re done.

[robbedvoter]

34. True. But what about Sanders? The candidate, not the sokesperson.

Will he ever be?

[bluewater]

41. Wasn't he vetted in 2016?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. Bernie has been vetted throughout the years perhaps more than any other Democrat.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Happyhippychick]

35. Why doesn't Bernie use his energy to go after Trump instead of disparaging other Democrats?

That's what Bloomberg is doing.

[bluewater]

43. Which democrats has he disparaged?

Serious question.

[Happyhippychick]

44. Mike Bloomberg, per the thread we're posting on

[bluewater]

45. That wasn't Bernie Sanders. That was Symone Sanders.

Joe Biden's chief advisor.

She's identified clearly in the OP.

[BlueStater]

53. Maybe you should have put "Symone" in your thread title instead of tricking people.

I mean, that's what you kind of did.

[bluewater]

56. The OP is clearly about Symone Sanders.

I mean, it wasn't sneaky for anyone that even glanced at it:

Symone Sanders that is.

Link to tweet

I will sit down while the Biden/Bloomberg supporters re-think their responses.

She is right, you know.

But, yes, the headline was clickbait. It was intended to get more people to read the OP.

[greenjar_01]

46. It's not him who's doing it. It's his movement.

[Voltaire2]

81. actually it was the biden campaign

but don't let that stop you.

[SWBTATTReg]

38. Personally, I think Bloomberg has vetted himself pretty damn good, being that his ads against...

rump are on target.

Bloomberg has been in a political office before, mayor, which if you want my opinion (and I was city manager at one time for a relatively small town), that is one of the harder jobs around, being that you literally are coordinating with every governmental agency there is, and to boot, employees of all types, in short, a little more to the ground than most of the politicians we see on a national level.

Perhaps some of the national politicians started from local elected offices but then for a lot of them, how long ago was their service? Maybe if they are aggressive in helping their local jurisdictions on federal-related issues, perhaps some experience is being gamed, but I don't know. I can't just imagine a republican senator or house rep descending down to the trenches to help some local natives of their state (imho).

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. OF COURSE she is right!! Bloomberg's statements about minorities is beyond very disturbing.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[brush]

61. Pot, say "hello" to kettle.

[bluewater]

63. Personally, I think she has a point.

[brush]

65. Sure, but of all people, Sanders has been vetted the least.

Repugs have reams of oppo on Sanders they've been saving in case he gets the nod. It's surprising to me so few of his supporters have even vetted him.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287502598

(by Kurt Eichenwald, article from Nov. 2016)

So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers.
..
Then there's the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont's nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped. You can just see the words "environmental racist" on Republican billboards. And if you can't, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.

[bluewater]

66. That's from 2016. Didn't Clinton vet Sanders in 2016?

I seem to remember a major primary race...

[brush]

68. Clinton would not divulge that stuff. And she didn't have to as she beat him easily.

If you think the repugs won't though, that would be extremely naive.

It's surprising and so discouraging to me that so few people know about the tons of baggage Sanders is lugging around, and don't seem to even want to know—the Sandanista stuff, the Castro stuff, the Socialist Workers Party stuff, the Moscow honeymoon stuff, and on and on and on.

We'll get hit with a freight train of this oppo research if he gets the nomination and trump will get four more years.

People need to wake up and stop acting like it's nothing.

[maximusveritas]

69. She vetted him, but kept almost all of it to herself for fear of splitting the party

She had 1000 pages of oppo research on him, but used almost none of it. Trump has all that and more and he will not hesitate to use anything.
This article explains some of it:
https://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long game—attacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters.

[bluewater]

70. Well, she should release it now then.

What is she waiting for?

[Voltaire2]

82. Biden campaign spokesperson Symone Sanders

"“Mayor Bloomberg is unvetted,” says Symone Sanders, a senior adviser to Joe Biden. “Let me just say that again: Mayor Bloomberg is unvetted.”

In case this still isn't clear: NOT "BS".

[Blue_true]

77. What about national legistlators that allowed guns to flood into

big cities from states that had lax gun laws? Biden is very culpable there and Bernie is totally exposed given his stout opposition to bills that would have limited guns and regulated them. Big city Mayors were left with a problem, allow guns to stay on the streets, of remove those guns from the streets somehow - Stop and Frisk was a brutish way to do that.

I challenge you, if guns were flooding into your city and you were Mayor, HOW would you remove them and reduce gun violence? It is easy to look at a policy in a detached, academic mode and hindsight is always perfect, my challenge to you, if you were a Mayor in the moment, how would you deal with guns being trafficked around your city?

I think that Bloomberg should be really agressive with Biden and Sanders if they attack him on Stop and Frisk, lay THEIR blame for the problem that was being dealt with at their feet. The only ones that can cleanly criticize Stop and Frisk are Warren (she was not in politics) and Buttigieg (he was a small city Mayor). Sanders in particular has no right to criticize Stop and Frisk and Biden to a large extent can't due to their failure to come up with national legistlation that forced states with lax gun laws to take responsibility for fixing the problems their laws created in big cities.

[patricia92243]

62. She says a quick apology will not cut the mustard. What will

cut the mustard?

[Blue_true]

78. Biden was a national Legistlator that failed to pass national level gun laws.

Bernie Sanders worked with the gun lobby to defeat passage of national level gun laws. Due to the lack of national level gun laws that forced lax states to become responsible, guns flooded into cities like NYC, Philly, Newark, Boston, other big cities. Mayors of those big cities had to do something, several resorted to Stop and Frisk. Sanders very much so, and Biden are culpable, Bloomberg should not allow them to slip off the hook. Big city Mayor had their backs against the wall, ignore guns on their streets and allow chaos to happen, or go after people that past experience says may be trafficking around guns on city streets.

[democrattotheend]

71. The title of this is misleading

You should make it clear you're talking about Symone Sanders.

[bluewater]

75. The OP is VERY clear that it is about Symone Sanders, Biden's chief adviser.

I mean, anyone that even glances at the OP sees that it is clearly about Symone Sanders, Biden's chief adviser:

Symone Sanders that is.

Link to tweet

I will sit down while the Biden/Bloomberg supporters re-think their responses.

She is right, you know.

It seems several people have responded to the OP without even glancing at it to see that it clearly was not about Bernie Sanders.


But, yes, the headline was clickbait. It was intended to get more people to read the OP.

[Bengus81]

72. Bloomberg doesn't have a Vette?? Why,can't he afford one??

[Laelth]

80. Symone. Really?

Dude was Mayor of New York. It's not exactly a low-profile job. All of Bloomberg's dirty laundry is out there, and he's not perfect, but he certainly has been vetted.



-Laelth