Democratic Primaries
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There will be a moral reckoning if Bloomberg is our nominee. And we will have to figure out why so many Democrats were duped by a billionaire because he had flashy ads and called Trump fat.
If this is the standard by which we measure the value of a candidate, we are in serious trouble.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
applegrove
(118,659 posts)who wins the nomination. Bloomberg has promised he will fund the fight against Trump even if he loses the democratic nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Anyone telling you otherwise is a stooge for the hyper wealthy and powerful.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
applegrove
(118,659 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Filthy Donnie is dismantling our Democracy. You may feel like you can turn away money that can help us stop that from happening, but I don't.
This is a paradigm away from every other election you have ever experienced. We win this, or our country is ruined. Our Democracy is gone. And that isn't hyperbole.
Do you think ANY of our institutions will survive another 4 years of Filthy Donnie?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Anyone who thinks this election is ONLY about Trump has abandoned their principles.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,949 posts)I just can't believe how dense people are about this. This is how countries collapse.
You can eat your principles once the rule of law is gone. And don't look now but it's going fast.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluestarone
(16,940 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I will not support someone simply because they are a billionaire. Bloomberg has nothing else.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Want to really see a worthless life? You will if trump keeps trampling our rule of law.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,778 posts)Google, pls. And they're all trying to buy ads, he just has his owh money to do it with. All power to him if he helps beat trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)No social norm can't be destroyed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)Because in the general, it will only be about Trump and the fact that he must lose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)that they can't see the hard real-world realities of the situation that we are in. If Donald Trump wins re-election, all the moral and social norms that underpin society will be dismantled, THAT is what is staring us in the eyes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calguy
(5,309 posts)Sounds like it. How do you beat a bad millionaire who pretends he's a billionaire? You beat him with a good guy who is also a real billionaire. How do you lose to a bad guy? Run a vulnerable self described socialist that 3/4 of the country will reject.
Bloomberg isn't a perfect petson. None of us are. He just might be the best chance we have to save our democracy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
calguy
(5,309 posts)Try again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,949 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)All the people that voted him into office for 30 years are stupid?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,949 posts)in Congress for decades and gotten nothing done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calguy
(5,309 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)How profound.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Bloomberg has done REAL things to control the scourge of guns in our society. Bernie has voted five times against the Brady Bill and has during the past worked to prevent gun legistlation that would stop the flood of guns into big cities like the one Bloomberg once led.
Your definition of morally bankrupt seems to be a bit skewed. If Bloomberg perfect? NO his is not, but neither is Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)and legal norms.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boston bean
(36,221 posts)He seems like he could go toe to toe with Trumpass.
People are not judging candidates on promises or policy this year.
They see a man who could beat trump and that is really all that matters.
I wouldnt say those people would have to reckon anything. They want to save the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Would that his detractors would do likewise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)accomplishing his numerous pie-in-the-sky promises.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Sanders has systematically detailed his plans and policies and has even drafted legislation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)He hasn't and has refused to say....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)And how much it will cost...he's never given an answer. Liz Warren has given an answer, Bernie gets to skate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Ignorance is bliss.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)FYI, you're barking up the wrong tree with the "ignorance is bliss" crap. I'd suggest you reread your own post and come back when you have a true detailed funding plan. All you posted are hypotheticals for funding. That's not a plan
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Youre looking at THE plan. And youre saying its not a plan. So either you didnt read it or youre not being honest.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)contracts; he has no allies in Congress as a result of attacking everyone for decades, and he cannot pass his vaunted agenda.
To believe otherwise is fantasy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,949 posts)proposed things.
But that isn't going to do us any good whatsoever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calguy
(5,309 posts)His detailed plans and policies somehow disappear when he is asked about. Especially when asked about the costs and how to meet those costs.
His amateur front woman Nina Turner was asked point blank after the debate how much it would cost.
Her answer? "I'm not going to go there!"
So tell us another joke. That last one was pretty good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,770 posts)9. People believe this kind of nonsense because they are afraid.
Sanders has systematically detailed his plans and policies and has even drafted legislation.
He has systematically detailed his plan , yet not how to pay for any of it or get it through a GOP Senate that has a mile high stack of bills that Mitch REFUSES to bring to the floor for a vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,770 posts)So he gave a detailed plan how he will pay for it and get it past the GOP Senate?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Dont claim he doesnt have a detailed plan when he does. If you want to remain ignorant, thats on you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TDale313
(7,820 posts)I hate the idea that our elections are for sale. Doesnt really matter to me if its a benevolent oligarch. It still feels inherently wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Wont destroy us.
4 years of trump will.
That is really where we are at.
I am still undecided and not against Bloomberg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
4139
(1,893 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,770 posts)Switches to Democrat every time he runs. Then back to Independent.
He is registered as we speak for two different runs, President as a Dem and his rerun for Senate as an Independent.
Bernie Sanders Files To Run As A Democrat And An Independent
Bernie Sanders filed Monday to be a candidate for the Senate in 2024 as an independent.
But last month, Sanders filed as a Democrat for president.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700121429/bernie-sanders-files-to-run-as-a-democrat-and-an-independent
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JGug1
(320 posts)Seek progress, not perfection. If Bloomberg has the best chance to beat Trump, I'm ALL aboard. My sense is that everyone here should be too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Bloomberg is not that. Ill take any other candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)when it is nothing but racism gone riot if you are morally upright.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Bloomberg is not attacking other democrats; Turner, Sirota et al are trashing democrats every day.
So I would rather a billionaire attack our real enemy than see petty, cheap attacks directed at fellow democrats.
The standard by which I measure a candidate is a combination of word, deed and who they hire as staff to represent them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,406 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Is taking actual, concrete action to fight climate change, he isn't just talking about it like Sanders and the others are.
Did something, abeit hamfisted to get the guns on his city's streets that Biden and in very much particular Sanders (the historically anti-gun control Legistlator) allowed to flood into his city.
Sanders has documented sexual harrassment issues with his 2016 campaign and Biden has had issues getting too close to women.
All the candidates have their weak spots, of them all, Bloomberg appears to have the fewest. Yes, Bloomberg has NDAs against his company, but as a business owner, I can promise you that sexual harrassment in some form is impossible to prevent due to how it progresses, so the only thing left is to try to clean up the mess and put in place updated conduct requirements that cover the latest issue. People often have personal relationships and they fall out, then there can be problems, you can't just totally ban romances up front because then you can be ring up for violating people's rights. Sexual harrassment is a problem for companies, a problem that has many trap doors that can be fallen into.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jose Garcia
(2,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheSocialDem
(191 posts)Its hard to understand how a normal person, left alone someone who says they care enough about people to run for president, Is still worth 60 billion and hasnt spent that making a difference already.. hes only willing to spend 2 billion on the campaign? So he will still have his 58 billion for himself Regardless if his 2 billion was enough or not?
Someone worth 60 billion has to be pretty damn selfish
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)That doesn't sound all that selfish to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
33taw
(2,442 posts)Democratic nominee regardless of their imperfections or occasional policy differences. The biggest concern I have over any candidate, is with the one who employed Tad Davine. Yet, I will vote for him too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)here at DU. In fact, if you perform site search prior to 2018 using the keywords "Michael Bloomberg" you'd be hard pressed find even one complimentary post about this man's politics, his civil rights record as mayor of NYC, or his business practices, which includes significant business ties to China.
It's almost inconceivable to me that this man, who once symbolized everything we allegedly to stand against as Democrats, especially us progressive Democrats, would now be the apple in anyone's eye here.
We can't do better than this? We can't BE better than this? Really? Sorry, but swapping out cyanide for strychnine is not a solution, especially for the millions of Americans who are in desperate need. We NEED to be better than this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Why should it shock us to discover than an election can be bought (partially, at least)? Honestly, people will still have the choice to vote for or against Bloomberg. He can't really "buy" votes, but I can't pretend that his money doesn't matter, either. Some guy who's got $50+ billion and who is willing to spend it fighting the good fight is both impossible to ignore and hard to resist.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Which is precisely why we may need someone like Bloomberg to save us from a King Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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BootinUp
(47,151 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,978 posts)be able to deliver, and you'll get more young voters than anyone else!
If you can dangle a gigantic tax-free financial windfall in front of young voters, one they'll supposedly get even if they can afford to pay off those debts themselves, you won't have to worry so much about using your own money to pay for ads, or taking on Trump in ways that really get to him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden