Amy Klobuchar stands with Culinary

[brooklynite]

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[Iliyah]

1. I come from a family of Union members . . .

Police, Firefighters, Probation, Teachers, Maintenance and Nurses. . . .

She is absolutely right, Unions keep workers and their rights strong which keeps USA strong.

[TheBlackAdder]

55. No one mentions: Pay Scales are based on Corporate, Public and Local Compensation & Benefits

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When corporate, public and local area pay and benefits increase, all pay and benefits adjust higher.

When corporate, public and local area pay and benefits decrease, all pay and benefits adjust lower.


As unions decrease, as benefits are cut and pay lowers, corporate HR matches them.

So, when public jobs and unions lose, it affects the corporate worker too.

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[brutus smith]

2. Why doesn't somebody explain to them that their employers can enhance their healthcare with M4A?

Just like Medicare now you can get supplementary plans added on to your Medicare plan. What's so hard to understand about that?

[judeling]

3. It is a bit complex but it is a second order effect.

It basically breaks down to two main reasons for big unions.
First because of the pool of workers, it allows the companies to have the possibility of controlling their costs by giving them (the companies) leverage in negotiations with providers. While buffering compensation from some of the natural inflation.

The other is that they know that they will not be able to recoup all of the total compensation that would result in the change and until the actual bill and tax burdens are seen cannot actually determine how big a hit they will take. They would much prefer to be in a position to negotiate the transition to at least keep the compensation balanced.

[brutus smith]

5. I'm not quite sure why you think keeping insurance companies in charge of our insurance is a good

thing. Profit is their ONLY goal.

[judeling]

7. I'm not

I'm just saying that if M4A is where we end up the resistance to it is massive and not even irrational.

It is really unfortunate that M4A has become a litmus test. If it was presented as one end of a spectrum in implementation we would be in a much better place.

If we were arguing more on the immediate steps of what we can do to get ready for it we would be I a stronger place.

[brutus smith]

17. It's going to take awhile to implement it. Just like the ACA.

Hopefully most of the bugs will be worked out.

[Demsrule86]

26. It will never happen and we lose the ACA in the process.

[brutus smith]

34. Why is that?

[squirecam]

10. You are going to have to convince them over time

Not with harassment.

This is what happens when any group disagrees with Bernie. They get attacked and doxxed by the troll bot army. And then amplified by other calling the union leadership corrupt.

[Demsrule86]

27. Could you imagine if Trump was in charge right now? I don't want basic coverage...I like the ACa

and think this is the way to go.

[brutus smith]

35. Everyone has their opinion.

[mchill]

53. Because a known thing that works well

Is better than an unknown thing that might not work at all.

[mcar]

4. Why doesn't someone explain to Sanders supporters

that it is inappropriate to harass and dox people who disagree with their candidates policies?

[brutus smith]

6. As many hits as Sanders takes a day you think Sanders supporters are inappropriate?

[emulatorloo]

8. Doxing is wrong. Sanders is tough and can take care of himself without his supporters

Doxing people or advocating doxing.

Blocking you for promoting doxing.

[brutus smith]

15. I didn't even know what doxing was until I look it up.

[mcar]

12. I do, yes

[brutus smith]

16. Do you think Biden supporters are inappropriate? Pete's? Amy's?

[mcar]

24. I have not seen their supporters

boo a Democratic stateswoman, dox people who don't agree with them, call their opponents RW, corporatist shills.

I could go on.

[brutus smith]

36. None of them? Oh, ok.

[Cha]

57. Talk to those who are "doxing" the

Culinary Union.

[ehrnst]

13. Whataboutism.... again. But I'll play, who is doing this same thing to Sanders himself?

BTW - He's a candidate for POTUS, and nobody put a gun to his head to make him do it.

If you don't think he can handle criticism, fact checking, or even people just disliking him - or HATING him even, even just in DU, then you don't really have much faith in him being the leader of the free world.

[brutus smith]

14. Did I say he couldn't take the criticism? NO!

So quit making up things I didn't say.

[ehrnst]

18. Your response indicated that you didn't think he could...

with the rage emoji....

But you didn't answer the question where Sanders has had equally as damaging things done to him - " harass and dox people who disagree with their candidates policies."

You brought up the equivalence, so maybe you want to put your money where your mouth is, and demonstrate us that there was a point.

[brutus smith]

19. No my response didn't. Maybe in your mind.

[ehrnst]

22. I call 'em as I see 'em.

And you still can't answer the question, I see.

[brutus smith]

45. Do you need glasses?

[ehrnst]

46. Lol. Another non-answer.

Do go on.

[LanternWaste]

20. The martyrdom routine gets old fast

[Cha]

23. Yes.

[squirecam]

9. Exactly

Nt

[Still In Wisconsin]

51. Doxxing and harassment is how Bernie Bros roll

But this is nothing new. Know why Burnie doesn’t stop them? Because he doesn’t want it stopped.

[Demsrule86]

25. Oh really so those who can afford it get better health care...and we still need a supplement... I

do not like M4A...so much for no deductibles, no out of pocket... got to have a supplement and higher taxes...No...I pay 300 a month for a family policy. Let's fix the ACA, add a public option and leave private insurance alone.

[brutus smith]

39. Those who can afford it will get better healthcare no matter what. That's capitalism., and it will

never change.

[Demsrule86]

52. I would prefer not to die with shitty healthcare.

[brutus smith]

58. Please explain why it would be "shitty" healthcare.

[Demsrule86]

28. Maybe we don't want to pay for substandard coverage...and it is likely employers won't do it...

as they will be taxed also...I am opposed to M4A...the more I see it the less I like it...we need a strong Medicaid for the poor ...and subsidized premiums for the ACA...MFA starting all over is just reckless and foolish...work with the ACA for universal coverage.

[brutus smith]

40. They are taxed for healthcare now and so are you.

It's called premiums.

[Demsrule86]

44. I would rather have a choice and pay premiums than be forced into a plan that may or may not have

the coverage I need. First I heard, that all would be covered. But now they talk of wraps so I get to pay way more than my $300.00 monthly premiums for the M4A plan and then I need a wrap...more money. I an totally not for this. And there is no chance in hell of getting it...even AOC say a public option and a repair of the ACA is what will happen.

[brutus smith]

47. I pay 134 dollars for Medicare, 28 for the supplement.

And people were forced to buy insurance under the ACA or pay a penalty.

[Demsrule86]

49. Well my sis in law pays way more plus deductibles and i will pay more too. I dont believe

It will be cheap.

[Demsrule86]

29. I was under the impression this would be a new plan...medicare sucks at the moment...I should know

as I have spent months fighting for care for my sis in law who broker her leg very badly.

[brutus smith]

38. I have Medicare with a supplement and I love it.

[Demsrule86]

50. My sis will likely spend the rest of her life in a nursing home because she

Can't get the rehab she needs undet medicare.

[apcalc]

56. Ugh. So sorry.

[Blue_true]

31. Because they are SATISFIED with the healthcare that they have now. What is so

difficult about understanding that?

[brutus smith]

41. Do you think most of the country is satisfied with theirs?

Aren't we Democrats? Don't we care about everyone?

[Blue_true]

48. I don't know whether most of the country is satisfied or dissatisfied with

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it's healthcare, and despite your insistence, neither do you. Polls consistently show MFA as a massive loser at the polls, that would indicate that many Americans have serious concerns about it.

Please don't pull that shit saying "we are democrats". Sanders and Warren hardcore supporters constantly pull that stuff on people that question the logic or the feasibility of their proposals. No democrat want to see people without healthcare, but many democrats believe that MFA is not the best vehicle for getting us there.

[mchill]

54. Exactly

And they accuse us of being selfish for wanting to keep what we have as if keeping what we have means they can’t have healthcare. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

[BusyBeingBest]

11. Crafty of her.

[peggysue2]

21. Good for Amy!

This is where we all should be.

[AmericanGraffiti]

30. This is nothing but pandering

from Klobuchar. Not a good look for her.

[krissey]

32. Or Klobuchar along with the rest of us are damn tired of Sanders supporters attacking solid Dems.

Voters or otherwise. Worse look for those attacking members in the union and those that stay quiet or dismiss the attacks.

[Amimnoch]

37. ROFLMAO! Are you for Real?!?! Someone with a Sanders sig condemning pandering!?!?

[LongtimeAZDem]

42. +∞

[ehrnst]

43. Pandering... You mean like this?

Sen. Bernie Sanders interrupts Chicago Teachers Union podcast with phone call: 'You guys have won a victory that will not only be for Chicago but be for the whole country’

[krissey]

33. Right on Klobuchar. And Warren having spoken out. Unacceptable.