Las Vegas paper that endorsed Biden & Klobuchar: "Sanders is the only clear non-starter."

[highplainsdem]

Found this via a Mediaite article pointing out that the endorsement had included favorable comments about all the other major candidates except one:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/vegas-paper-brutally-guts-bernie-endorses-biden-and-klobuchar-sanders-guarantees-a-trump-second-term/


That paragraph in the LV Sun:

https://lasvegasweekly.com/news/2020/feb/13/our-2020-nevada-caucus-endorsement-amy-klobuchar-a/

Sanders is the only clear non-starter. It’s impossible not to regard the Vermont senator in a Trumplike mold—he seldom has shown an ability to build consensus and threatens to use executive orders extensively, just like Trump. It’s also doubtful he could assemble a highly qualified Cabinet, meaning he’d essentially be the left wing version of Trump: isolated, angry, unable to work with others and showing too little respect for dissenting opinions. A Sanders candidacy simply guarantees a Trump second term.

[Kingofalldems]

1. Kick this one.

[comradebillyboy]

2. Big mistake for Bernie to get crossways with the culinary union in

Nevada. Has Bernie ever been a member of a labor union? Is he aware that the union leadership is all elected by the members. They aren't Harry Reid's employees either.

[LisaM]

30. I don't think so.

I remember stories of his being a carpenter in his early days, but I get the feeling that he just gigged on his own and did not join any kind of union. I would love to get the chance to ask him that directly, though!!!

[DownriverDem]

48. Just wait

Folks are blind to what is going on.

[calguy]

3. Ouch!!

The truth can really hurt at times. Feel the "BURN"?

[justhanginon]

4. K & R for sure!

[George II]

5. That's awkward.

[MFGsunny]

6. This one will leave a mark. n/t

[NurseJackie]

7. "Sanders is the only clear non-starter." --- Boom!

"Sanders is the only clear non-starter."

[Indepatriot]

8. A little background on the Greenspun Group owners of the Las Vegas Weekly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Greenspun

[highplainsdem]

9. And what in particular are you trying to direct our attention to?

[Indepatriot]

11. Here's a few highlights that may or may not concern you..

In 1947, when the Haganah was already in armed conflict with Arab forces, Greenspun shipped machine guns and airplane parts to that organization (which later became the core of the Israel Defense Forces). This was a violation of the U.S. Neutrality Acts, a crime for which Greenspun was arrested and ultimately convicted on July 10, 1950. He was fined $10,000 but received no prison time.

As a young man, Greenspun became closely involved with Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel and the work he was doing to reopen his Flamingo casino. Greenspun worked as the Flamingos's publicity agent.

He also wrote articles accusing McCarthy of being a homosexual, an act that brought Greenspun considerable criticism, even among McCarthy foes. Greenspun became further entrenched in domestic politics when allegations were made that he held blackmail information against prominent Democratic presidential nominees.

On June 17, 1972, Virgilio González, Bernard Barker, James W. McCord, Jr., Eugenio Martínez and Frank Sturgis were arrested while placing electronic devices in the Democratic Party campaign offices in an apartment block called Watergate, in Washington, D.C. It later emerged that people working for President Richard Nixon wanted to wiretap the conversations of Larry O'Brien, chairman of the Democratic National Committee. The Watergate Scandal developed from this incident, leading to wide-ranging investigations, Congressional hearings, and steady media coverage for the next two years.

On May 23, 1973, McCord admitted that this group (known as the "Plumbers&quot had been involved in several covert activities. This included a plot to steal documents from Hank Greenspun's safe. McCord testified that Attorney General John N. Mitchell had told him that Greenspun had in his possession blackmail type information involving a Democratic candidate for president. As Greenspun was an avowed Republican, it was assumed that Greenspun would use his political influence and connections to sway the election.[citation needed]

[highplainsdem]

13. Events from 50-70 years ago pertaining to the paper's founder, who's been dead 30 years. What

does any of that have to do with this week's endorsement?

[LanternWaste]

17. How does that specifically address, weaken or strengthen the premise of the actual article?

If it does none, your addition seems irrelevant. At best. Which may or may not concern you...

[squirecam]

33. ROFL

This is absurd. He has no connection to the current endorsement, having been dead and all....

[Farmer-Rick]

51. Geez, the TPTB and criminals are really worried about Sanders.

Thanks for pointing out where most of this false concern for a DemocratIC primary is coning from.

[dware]

63. Wow!!!

You dredged up something from 50-70 years ago to attempt to distract from the truth?
Congratulations.

[Cha]

69. Doesn't concern me

[highplainsdem]

10. I'm asking because that's an article on the paper's founder, who died over 30 years ago.

[Indepatriot]

14. And is now owned by his family.

And note the "dual" endorsements. Great way to "take a stand" without actually taking a stand. A dual endorsement isn't an endorsement at all.

[highplainsdem]

16. So you hold his kids responsible for what their father did 70 years ago, long before the paper was

founded?

What a desperate stretch to argue against a completely accurate and absolutely devastating one-paragraph analysis of why Sanders in a non-starter.

[Indepatriot]

21. They now work with Sheldon Adleson's paper, and endorsed Trump..so there's that...

[highplainsdem]

22. That's a flat out lie about their endorsement. They endorsed Clinton.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/oct/22/the-suns-endorsements-for-nov-8-election/

[Indepatriot]

25. They have an operating agreement with Adelson owned the Las Vegas Review Journal.

Politico contacted every American paper known to have endorsed the Republican candidate. Apart from the St. Joseph News-Press, they are the Santa Barbara News-Press, the Waxahachie Daily Light in a suburb of Dallas, the Times-Gazette in Hillsboro, Ohio, and most recently, the Sheldon Adelson-owned Las Vegas Review-Journal, the only major newspaper in the nation to come out for Trump. On Sunday, the Antelope Valley Press, a small family-owned daily newspaper in Palmdale, California, with a circulation of about 20,000, also published an endorsement of Trump, albeit with no accompanying explanation.

[highplainsdem]

27. The Sun ENDORSED HILLARY CLINTON. What part of that don't you understand?

[dsc]

35. operating agreements are common in the newspaper business (dating from at least the 1980's)

They permit papers to jointly run the business aspects of the paper (ads, buying supplies, etc) but keep the editorial parts completely separate.

[squirecam]

37. You have no idea how wrong you are

They are distinct and not controlled by the RJ editorial.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/feb/04/judge-to-mull-whether-sun-can-depose-r-js-adelson/

Sun lawyers argue that the dispute around the JOA — a structure created under the federal Newspaper Preservation Act, which was approved by Congress and signed into law in the 1970s — includes matters of the public good. The act provides limited antitrust protections for newspapers to combine business functions while remaining editorially independent.

[squirecam]

34. Wrong.

This is why Facts matter.

The sun is a separate editorial staff.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/feb/04/judge-to-mull-whether-sun-can-depose-r-js-adelson/

[dware]

67. Ya know, your argument falls flat on it's face

due to the fact that the Sun endorsed Biden and Klobuchar.

[Cha]

70. Uh .. no they don't.

[LanternWaste]

19. You're certainly moving those goalposts quickly and without shame.

[highplainsdem]

20. Btw, the Sun is a liberal newspaper and has won the Pulitzer Prize.

[Indepatriot]

23. Really, then why the Trump endorsement?

In December 2015, casino magnate Sheldon Adelson purchased the newspaper for $140 million via News + Media Capital Group LLC,[5] although a subsidiary of New Media Investment Group, GateHouse Media, was retained to manage the newspaper. $140 million was considered a steep price amounting to a 69% gain for New Media Investment Group after owning the newspaper for nine months.[

[highplainsdem]

26. Good grief. You've confused the Sun/Weekly with the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

Try reading more carefully.

[squirecam]

39. Reading is fundamental

Nt

[NurseJackie]

59. The More You Know... ✨⭐🌟💫

[dware]

64. Why do you keep posting this lie?

Especially when it's pointed out to you, with links, that it is a lie.

[murielm99]

12. K&R

A non-starter!

[oasis]

15. "..doubtful he could assemble a highly qualified Cabinet"

Highly publicized miscues will be a key stumbling block in holding onto the White House for a second term.

[Cha]

53. Thank you for that quote..

[oasis]

55. We know Biden will insist on having the best available to

serve in his Cabinet. To be sure, many of those with the best qualifications would not serve in just anybody's administration.

[Cha]

56. Exactly!

[Indepatriot]

18. Here's a few more highlights that may or may not concern you.. Adleson is involved, endorsed Trump

The Review-Journal has a joint operating agreement with The Greenspun Corporation-owned Las Vegas Sun, which runs through 2040. In 2005, the Sun ceased afternoon publication and began distribution as a section of the Review-Journal. On March 18, 2015, the sale of the newspaper's parent company, Stephens Media LLC, to New Media Investment Group was completed.[4] In December 2015, casino magnate Sheldon Adelson purchased the newspaper for $140 million via News + Media Capital Group LLC,[5] although a subsidiary of New Media Investment Group, GateHouse Media, was retained to manage the newspaper. $140 million was considered a steep price amounting to a 69% gain for New Media Investment Group after owning the newspaper for nine months.[6][7]

In 2016 They endorsed Donald J. Trump for president.....nothing to see here...move along

[highplainsdem]

24. WHY are you talking about the LV Review-Journal? That's a different paper!

[Indepatriot]

28. They have an operating agreement with Adelson owned Las Vegas Review Journal.

One of the few papers to endorse Trump. So take their "support" of anyone with a grain of salt...

[highplainsdem]

31. What nonsense.

[squirecam]

40. Wrong

they are editorially independent, as I posted to above.

You clearly do not know Las Vegas. I do, as I live here.

Stop with your incorrect assertions please.

[Proud Veteran]

45. Don't want to be part of your argument but

Newspapers in major cities often combine under JOAs. In Detroit we have that arrangement with Detroit News and Detroit Free Press. In their joint Sunday publication, they have separate editorial pages.Detroit News is typically pro-GOP while Free Press takes a liberal stance and overall supports Democrats.

[DUgosh]

29. K&R

[Mad cow]

32. The problem with this article

Is the way it tries to make the point that Sanders has the same characteristics as Trump, just with a liberal worldview. This serves to normalize Trump, while also glossing over the depths of Trump's depravity. There may be some similar characteristics, but Trump is an absolute monster. Anyone trying to position Sanders as the liberal counterpart to Trump is doing a huge diservice to our party. I don't think anyone believes that Sanders is capable of the malevolence that Trump thrives on. ANY of our candidates would be light years better, Sanders included. To insinuate that they are similar might as well be Russian propoganda as it only serves the GOP. Trump is NOT normal; we should resist anything that normalizes him.

[thesquanderer]

38. I agree, Sanders is not at all a left-wing Trump. Unlike Trump...

...Sanders respects the Constitution, has empathy for others, would not be looking at the position as a personal source of enrichment for him and his family, would appoint liberal judges, is not amoral, is fully literate, does not have narcissistic personality disorder, etc. etc. etc.

[Sloumeau]

41. A Bernie nomination makes a Trump win much more likely. nt

[squirecam]

42. Yep

Nt

[PatSeg]

46. Most of our candidates are NOT moderates

They are just a little more pragmatic and realistic than Bernie Sanders. They are left of center, but not as far left as Bernie, that does not make them "moderates" or "centrists".

[Indepatriot]

44. Maybe I'm wrong about the "operating agreement" with Adelson having an effect on their independence.

Call me a skeptic then...birds of a feather and all that. Then look at the article itself, framing Sanders as essentially the same as Trump. If you think that's in any way a fair and objective characterization of Sanders, I've got a dam outside Vegas you might be interested in purchasing. This is a hack job hit piece, straight out of Adelson's playbook. Nothing less. You should be ashamed to share such filth on a Democratic board. If I, or anyone else referred to any Democratic candidate as the "left wing Trump", the post would be immediately removed, and possibly our further posting rights.

[squirecam]

49. You are clearly absolutely and certainly wrong.

The Sun and RJ are editorially independent.

[PatSeg]

47. That is brutal

but unfortunately rings true in many respects.

"....isolated, angry, unable to work with others and showing too little respect for dissenting opinions."

"It's also doubtful he could assemble a highly qualified cabinet."

"...threatens to use executive orders extensively...."

Sounds like a nightmare, obviously not nearly as bad as Trump, but still a nightmare.

[tritsofme]

52. They attack Sanders...and then split voters between his opponents?

How does that make any sense?

[evertonfc]

54. Trump campaign

has hours of pro socialist, video and audio opposition on Sanders that spans decades. He will use his 300 million to smash Sanders. It will be ugly. Sanders will run again in 2024.

[pecosbob]

57. For all of those slamming The Sun, you can now go soak your head

The liberal Sun would no longer exist without the operating agreement with the Review Journal which preceded Adelson's ownership by decades. Adelson would have put the sun out of business by now if not for the court-mandated operating agreement. Adelson and the Review Journal are now in court trying to void the agreement.

Operating agreements like this are common in a world dominated by Hearst papers and are the only reason many smaller liberal papers still exist.

[Awsi Dooger]

61. You are the only person in the thread who knows what is going on

I loved the Sun when I lived in Las Vegas, and before it was forced into insert stage by realities of the newspaper business.

If this were 25 years ago and the Sun were a powerful standalone it would be quoted here all the time. Great people and writers in every department.

I appreciate that at least the Sun has an online presence I can check from here in Florida.

[Cha]

58. K

[pangaia]

60. To call Sanders " essentially be the left wing version of Trump:" is disgraceful.

[Gothmog]

62. "Sanders is the only clear non-starter...A Sanders candidacy simply guarantees a Trump second term."

I agree with this part of the endorsement

Link to tweet

Sanders is the only clear non-starter. It’s impossible not to regard the Vermont senator in a Trumplike mold—he seldom has shown an ability to build consensus and threatens to use executive orders extensively, just like Trump. It’s also doubtful he could assemble a highly qualified Cabinet, meaning he’d essentially be the left wing version of Trump: isolated, angry, unable to work with others and showing too little respect for dissenting opinions. A Sanders candidacy simply guarantees a Trump second term.

[wyldwolf]

65. ABB

[betsuni]

66. K&R

[Scurrilous]

68. K&R

Haim Saban said the same thing. Power Rangers dude.

[NNadir]

71. I certainly agree with this editorial.

The problem with some very old white men - and I'm speaking as a member of that demographic which I share with the orange shitler in the White House and with Senator Sanders - is that their minds have ossified and they lack creativity in their thinking; many of us - not all of us but certainly many of us - have rusty steel trap minds that cannot be opened since they rusted shut.

These two old white men, albeit on different ends of the political spectrum, one a Nazi and one something else, are examples of the same.

[highplainsdem]

73. kick