Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders statement: Harassment "unacceptable" and he urges "supporters of all campaigns" to stop it
But Bernie, the problem is with YOUR campaign...
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,867 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)a "lying dog-faced pony soldier" to increase his support with them?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,867 posts)...instead of trying to """both sides""" shit that only his campaign is doing.
I am not aware of the Culinary Union saying that they were receiving attacks from the surrogates/supporters of any other candidates. The other candidates do not need to apologize for the deplorable actions of the Sanders campaign. Sanders needs to "clean up his own house first."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,388 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PupCamo
(288 posts)interesting
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FarPoint
(12,409 posts)This is what his campaign did last cycle....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,991 posts)In December 2019, I attended a Bernie Sanders town hall held by the Culinary Union 226 in Las Vegas and I witnessed a paid organizer rallying a small group to heckle Senator Bernie Sanders. This was right after a staged question about how Senator Sanders would accommodate the union to keep our insurance during and after the implementation of Medicare For All. Positing that all the members want to keep their union insurance instead of Medicare For All. For me, that couldnt be further from the truth. I need to speak from my own perspective since I have been erased from the conversation. Despite the uncanny familiarity of The Irishman film, the promise of being shunned or worse by a huge portion of the 60,000 and the fact that Im one of the few active people who work at my particular restaurant, I still wont cower in fear from fascism in any form: foreign or domestic. I would trade my union insurance for Medicare For All today.
https://medium.com/@marciewells/i-saw-a-paid-culinary-226-union-organizer-heckle-bernie-sanders-and-i-havent-stopped-wondering-why-cbdf21bc4aa1
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)But it dodges the point. The issue was the harassment and doxxing of culinary. Biden didnt dox anyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,271 posts)his own supporters' actions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)come on Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He urges supporters of "all campaigns" ... suggesting that "all campaigns" are guilty of this??? WTF?
Is this the equivalent of the "good people on both sides" argument?
Good lord! So divisive. So insulting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,204 posts)someone, whose name I can't recall, was using a similar both sides argument
Hmmmmm
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)I must have missed it.
I did see several negative posts both here and on twitter though......
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)How fucking hard would that be to say?
It is his supporters that are the problem not "supporters of all campaigns". And he damn well knows it. Their reputation didn't spring out of thin air.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)"Good people on both sides"????... you just cannot make it up ..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)you are right.. it does make me quite ill..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denem
(11,045 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It's a media myth that somehow Bernie supporters on social media are uniquely rude. He's right to call on everyone to calm down and be more respectful.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Trash the union leadership.
I did see many negative posts here though. Calling them all sorts of names. You could probably look back and see what candidate they supported.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Supporters of other campaigns have done plenty of attacking, of Bernie, of his staff, of his supporters, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Biden? Bloomberg? Steyer?
You can read back over the several threads here if you need to refresh your memory....
Yes or no?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Because that would be quite a bizarre standard.
I don't know of any other candidates supporters attacking union leadership, but I would guess not, since the union leadership didn't attack their candidate. But I certainly know that supporters of other candidates have been doing plenty of trashing of all kinds of people associated or supportive of Bernie Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Spent yesterday afternoon or this morning reading the DU forum? Or DKOS? And because of that, he got involved.....
Because you know as well as I do the impetus for the statement was the harassment against the Culinary union. Which was only done.....by Sanders supporters. Both HERE and on twitter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It's not really a secret. Whatever was said about the culinary union leaders is just one of thousands of instances of internet rudeness during this campaign.
So Sanders is absolutely right to call on everyone involved to be less rude. He doesn't have any more control over it than any other candidate, but it's a good thing for him to do nevertheless.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Would support doxxing like Bernies staff did. Or use fake credentials to get inside a union lunchroom.
But If her supporters did that, Id expect her to direct her fire on those who did it, and not everyone else or a both sides statement.
I was very offended, for example, when Trump made a both sides argument.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)the backlash from which only helps Bernie SURGE!!
Thanks!! I'll buy you a beer if you stop!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)was bad for it's members. That is not attacking a person.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,385 posts)it's membership, where is the attack against Bernie?
And please point out what other campaign supporters are doxing people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)was completely wrong...unforced error. Other campaigns are not behaving as this campaign is...hopefully he union rises up and destroys him in Nevada.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The union isn't going to rise up and destroy him. They didn't even endorse Biden, despite the fact that the leader is buddies with Neera Tanden and the centrists at CAP. Because they know that doing so would piss off their membership, and that Bernie is the most pro-labor candidate in the field. There's a reason why Bernie has the most union endorsements.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Bernie in the primaries ...I would vote for Tulsi first in the primary. Sanders gets my vote in a General period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)too busy lifting up their candidate and any one else who they think can beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,991 posts)I was canvassing for Warren a couple weeks ago (Iowa). Knocked on the door of a 28 yr old. She was listed on the form as leaning Klobuchar. This was the second round of canvasing where we try to nail down support.
When she came to the door, she must not have seen my Warren sticker on my coat. But as soon as I said who I was volunteering for she cut me off and said, "I'm going with Amy. I would NEVER vote for Warren." "Or Sanders." She made a point of adding Sanders to her statement. Not sure why since I had nothing to do with the Sanders campaign.
I tried to thank her and wish her a good day but couldn't finish the sentence before the door was slammed in my face. Needless to say her tone was not so nice.
I knocked on 77 doors that day. She was the worst.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)about the NYT piece that updates how many lies Trump has told so far. Dismissing facts reported about Trump as 'myths' and the media en mass as liars...
That's the hill you've chosen to die on?
All "myths" eh?
The 'swarm': How a subset of Sanders supporters use hostile tactics to drown out critics
[link:Or their supporters Working Families Party Staffers Face Harassment After Warren Endorsement
Trump's MAGA supporters and some Twitter Sanders supporters have this ugly tactic in common
Sanders supporters have weaponized Facebook to spread angry memes about his Democratic rivals
[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-internet-supporters-2020.html|Bernie Sanders and His Internet Army
At the start of his 2020 bid, the Vermont senator told his supporters that he condemned bullying. Is it his problem if many dont seem to listen?]
Other notable targets have included Ady Barkan, a prominent liberal activist with A.L.S. whom some Sanders-cheering accounts accused of lacking decision-making faculties due to his illness as he prepared to endorse Senator Elizabeth Warren and Fred Guttenberg, the father of a shooting victim from the 2018 Parkland massacre, who had criticized Mr. Sanderss statements about gun violence.
Politics is a contact sport, said Bakari Sellers, a former South Carolina State legislator who supported Ms. Harris in the Democratic primary. But you have to be very cognizant when you say anything critical of Bernie online. You might have to put your phone down. Theres going to be a blowback, and it could be sexist, racist and vile.
Are these statements by Bernie also a "media myth?" Why is he the only candidate who has needed to their supporters to stop the harassment?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/24/politics/sanders-letter-to-surrogates/index.html
"Let us do our very best to engage respectfully with our Democratic opponents - talking about the issues we are fighting for, not about personalities or past grievances," Sanders wrote. "I want to be clear that I condemn bullying and harassment of any kind and in any space."
The email, which a source provided to CNN Sunday, came less than a week after Sanders officially announced his candidacy for president. The letter dissuades supporters from using personal attacks on Sanders' behalf, saying that the campaign message and rhetoric needs to be the opposite of President Donald Trump's.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-tells-supporters-to-cool-it--but-they-dont-always-listen/2020/01/23/5635859e-3c64-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html
Sanders apologizes to Biden for surrogates brutal op-ed
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)If he wants to be President he needs to learn to accept responsibility. Ya know "The buck stops here"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)in not having to face the "Wrath of Bernie," who's unafraid to shine the light of truth on their vile and disgusting conservative agenda, which has plagued the working class and low income folks in this country for WAY too fuckin' long. It's that agenda we should all be booing, not each other, and that's the united message Bernie is delivering to the electorate and what is fueling Bernie's surge in the polls, precisely as I've been predicting for quite some time.
Instead of reaching across the aisle, and trying to work with those fascist pigs, President Sanders' considerable coattails will allow him to capture all three branches of Government, and thus fight tooth and nail on behalf of We The People, who have suffered mightily at the hands of the RethugliKKKon ruling class and their Wall Street elite buddies.
That's whom we should ALL be booing every single day, along with their wretched jack-booted thug tactics, leading up to that glorious day when Bernie is elected President. Under President Sanders' vigilant watch, no longer would those Rethug Nazis be allowed to strip the less fortunate of their most basic, undeniable human rights. Those rights include, but are not limited to, access to universal healthcare, a fair minimum wage, a clean and healthy environment free from the devastating effects of climate change, a fair criminal system purged of hateful racial injustice, along with other fundamental Constitutional rights that RepubelicKKKons trample on daily.
No, that's where their luck finally runs out... the ordinary folks on Main Street, not the corporate elites on Wall Street, will finally have their champion, in Bernie, who will stop those motherfuckers dead in their tracks!! How UNlucky for them that will be... though the booing of those deplorable tRumpian pieces of shit, who landed us in this mess, should NEVER stop!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)The messenger ... not so much. And, FWIW, demagoguery doesn't work on me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)It's what works in fighting against these deplorable fascist Rethug bastards who have kept their jackboots on the necks of ordinary folks for far too long ... and that's PRECISELY what will energize most people - okay, perhaps not you, as you say, I'll concede that - to support Bernie in finally taking these motherfuckin pricks down once and for all!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)But we work as a team to do so. Not doing so, will be a road to ruin. Working as a team, especially as a leader, requires admitting to mistakes. Mistakes are ok, but own them and move on. Try to whitewash them, and people remember. And I don't say this idly, I come from a long career of successful team leadership
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Acknowledging Trump's success in taping into economic resentment in his astounding electoral win Wednesday morning, Sanders cast Trump's candidacy in a light similar to his own failed presidential run during the Democratic primaries.
Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media," the senator said in a statement released Wednesday.
Trump And Sanders Try To Show New Hampshire They Can Reach Across The Aisle
As WBUR's Fred Bever reported both men were out to demonstrate that they are practitioners of the art of compromise.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/14/sanders-reaches-across-aisle-at-liberty-university.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html
Bernie Sanders Republican Buddy Reaches Across the Aisle To Endorse Clinton
Said Pomerleau:
I am a loyal Republican born in 1917 and the first time a woman could vote was in 1919, the letter reads. I will be most happy to cast my vote to the first woman president of the United States of America. I am a loyal friend of Bernie Sanders and in Vermont they call us the Odd Couple.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump
Acknowledging Trump's success in taping into economic resentment in his astounding electoral win Wednesday morning, Sanders cast Trump's candidacy in a light similar to his own failed presidential run during the Democratic primaries.
Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media," the senator said in a statement released Wednesday.
Trump And Sanders Try To Show New Hampshire They Can Reach Across The Aisle
As WBUR's Fred Bever reported both men were out to demonstrate that they are practitioners of the art of compromise.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/14/sanders-reaches-across-aisle-at-liberty-university.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html
Bernie Sanders Republican Buddy Reaches Across the Aisle To Endorse Clinton
Said Pomerleau:
I am a loyal Republican born in 1917 and the first time a woman could vote was in 1919, the letter reads. I will be most happy to cast my vote to the first woman president of the United States of America. I am a loyal friend of Bernie Sanders and in Vermont they call us the Odd Couple.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)Sanders insists the Establishment is against him. He ought to look to his own team. Theyre doing a fine job of poisoning the well with their shitty behavior and attitudes.
Deja vu.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amazing. His is the only one doing it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,622 posts)I know a number of Bernie supporters in real life. Most of them are kind, thoughtful, considerate people. One is a stereotypical "bro," who is sexist, obnoxious, over the top in his characterizations of other candidates, especially female candidates. He is a bully. His emails go directly to my spam filter because I don't want to be assaulted by his bizarre rants.
My experience is not unique. Bernie has a sub-culture of supporters who represent him very poorly. He needs to get control of them and tell them to knock it off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)I said as much a few weeks ago over the Joe Rogan endorsement. I don't have a problem with Bernie, or his platform. I don't have a problem with most of his supporters. But, he certainly has some very toxic and very loud supporters, and has for years. I saw a some of it here and there in 2016, and, it seems to have gotten worse here in 2020.
From tearing down all other candidates (ESPECIALLY women) to "I don't care about your f*ggot issues" (yes, I had one of them tell me that in 2016), the toxicity of some of his worst supporters seems inseparable from the Red Hats. That, more than "Bernie's a socialist!" worries me the most about him winning the primaries. Are these "bros" (who, again, are in the minority - but also quite loud) going to get louder if that happens?
No, as you said, your experience is not unique. And, while it may be "unfair", it's such experiences that have me backing Warren here in 2020. Like Bernie, but without the bros.
How hard would it be, Bernie, to just tell this group of toxic supporters to STFU and quit being assholes? To tell them to be better than the goddamned MAGAts who have made everything so toxic in the name of Comrade Covfefe?
Seriously, Bernie. Time to quit saying "supporters of all campaigns" and direct some strong words toward some of the supporters of YOUR campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
yardwork
(61,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)It, along with both-sidesism like this statement, and his refusal to tell his own "MAGA" crowd, leaves me wondering if he has no problem with these toxic supporters.
I wish he'd get it. Not only do we not need this kind of crap (especially after 4 1/2 years of Trumpitis), but, it only chases some of us off to his opponents.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Although he was a Clinton supporter.
Now when we have county social Dem party events we all hope he doesn't show up (even Clinton supporters don't like him). Unfortunately he is kind of high in the plumbers union so he's in the loop with a lot of events. Recently he was even banned from a local bar when he became belligerent after an Eric Swalwell event. Luckily the media and Rep Swalwell were gone by then.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)Deflection is for losers and republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)That is why We are staying undecided. Wonder how Saturday's Early Voting is going to go? Hunch says,here we go again. But this time I will make damn sure we have the I phone with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)They are both populists. They may be on opposite ends of the political spectrum, but they share common tactics. Seems like red hats may be the only thing that separate them in the trenches.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)ALL SIDES!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
irisblue
(32,975 posts)After the election. Some nimnong accused me of voting for Reagan. It was on
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Nt
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
irisblue
(32,975 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)Bernie's comments sound very familiar.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/595654/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,334 posts)He needs to condemn his own supporters and tell his own staff to knock it off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,600 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nt
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)God I cant stand him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike Nelson
(9,956 posts)... "...we urge supporters of all campaigns not to engage in bullying or ugly personal attacks" is putting too much distance from the specifics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AmericanGraffiti
(90 posts)is a perfect example of why Berine called on supporters of all campaigns to not engage in bullying or ugly personal attacks. Just read the comments on this thread from supporters of other campaigns openly doing what they decry about Sanders supporters! And it isn't just this thread. Numerous threads right now on DU that showcase this behavior.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)Doxing someone will get one banned from DU. It is taken pretty seriously here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
AmericanGraffiti
(90 posts)Harassment of all forms is unacceptable to me, and we urge supporters of all campaigns not to engage in bullying or ugly personal attacks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AmericanGraffiti
(90 posts)And I think it time for some Biden and Klobuchar supporters on this board to start considering the anger and attacks they direct at Sanders and his supporters on a routine basis!
I'm not trying to cause trouble but I grow tired of seeing such attacks on this board. We are on the same team and it is time to unite and defeat Trump. The anger/dislike some have of Sanders needs to end.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Or their supporters sending racist, abusive emails to the Working Families Party when they endorsed a candidate that wasn't Biden/Klobuchar?
Or their supporters harassing a union that didn't endorse Biden/ Klobuchar?
I think you may be scolding the wrong people...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,993 posts)do see people bothered by the fact that Sanders' only response to some of his supporters harassing and doxxing Culinary Union leaders was to offer a meaningless, vague statement that casts blame on other campaigns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Some might have to look that up, I suppose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)It's all romance, isn't it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,533 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,876 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Until then, no matter what he says, he approves of what they are doing.
Just like Trump does with his MAGAts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)False equivalency...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)Were viciously attacked by the same people for endorsing Warren. When your campaign is headed by trolls it doesnt sound too convincing.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,950 posts)for any of the actions of his followers, for any of
the hate he has spread, for any of the nastiness he so obviously causes?
What a creepy asshole that guy is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)Weak statement.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden