Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumOther than Bloomberg having a lot of money, I don't understand why anyone would pick him over Biden
or another moderate? Biden has a fraction of the baggage and some really great plans he has put forward and a ton of experience. I wish Bloomberg had just sunk his money into helping the Dems rather than jumping in to this. He will probably sink Biden who had a shot at a comeback if he was to do well in SC. That seems to be evaporating with Bloomberg stealing his thunder.
I guess some felt Biden wasn't performing strong enough and so Bloomberg was the backup quarterback? I don't get it. I like Biden a billion times better than stop and frisk Bloomberg. And I honestly gave Bloomberg a look a couple of weeks ago before determining he was pretty much my last choice.
That being said, I don't think Bloomberg winning over Bernie in a brokered convention will fracture the party that much this year. Trump is so extreme I think even some of the most ardent Sanders supporters would realize Trump needs to be stopped. It would be our job to talk sanity into them. Saying that as a Sanders supporter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(59,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(28,992 posts)Not fully convinced he can win. It's nerve wracking. There is so much on the line this year and I am a pragmatist in the end.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)the latest polls show trump at 49% approval.
We better have a strong nominee whoever that is
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Horizens
(637 posts)they think Bloomberg has a better chance vs trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(28,992 posts)It just seems like his list of baggage is overwhelming but maybe Trump being insane and worse will neutralize that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radius777
(3,635 posts)The moderate lane was Biden's to lose and he has lost it.
I love Uncle Joe as much as anyone else - but he clearly has some age-related memory issues, in addition to just being a poor campaigner he's always been.
The voters in IA and NH recognized this, and moved to Pete and Amy (Bloomberg not on ballot).
The voters in the Supertuesday states also recognized this, and moved to Bloomberg, who has skyrocketed in the polls nationally in a short time.
Note it's not just about money because Steyer is barely registering nationally - Bloomberg is/always has been a pretty savvy and tough politician.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vivienne235729
(3,387 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,397 posts)But most of all, he just isn't a sharp as one needs to be to debate his rivals, or trump for that matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... apologized for racial profiling.
We don't need Trump light, people would take the original if there's a choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,996 posts)It's where he said Xi Jinping is not a dictator. It reminded me of Ford saying there was no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe. The interview gave him the chance to try to get out of it, and he just kept digging in deeper. If Xi is not a dictator, who is? If Biden had said, this, he'd be torn apart.
It's also where he said China is addressing climate change by moving coal plants out of the cities. No, that addresses localized pollution, but the plant contributes to climate change regardless of whether it's in the city of 50 miles away.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,132 posts)and he's done some good ads.
Give it a minute.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dan
(3,583 posts)Sometimes it takes a bastard to beat a bastard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(28,992 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... already know vs the bastard they don't
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)he has shied away from going after Sanders full force, to his detriment.
Bloomberg, I suspect, has no such compunction, and his ad department is stellar.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kiri
(798 posts)The issue is not which Dem has the best policies; not even who would be best to win support from the Congress and the country to institute good policies.
The ONLY thing is defeating Trump and the magats. All the rhetoric and great policies matter not a whit if Trump wins. And he has a good chance: Trump is thrilled to run against Bernie--Trump will hammer "socialist" and "left extremism". And promote fear. He is VERY good at this, and it works.
It only matters how the electoral college votes. Trump has a very dedicated army and lots of money. As of now, Trump will likely WIN Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida. That is more than enough to win. Voters in Calif and New England are written off and do not count. The popular vote does not matter. 270 Electoral college votes are counted.
No Dem is going to win RW evangelical voters, but it is conceivable that RW-EVs can be made to stay home. Stopping Repub GOTV is a noble objective. I do not see any Democratic candidate having a strategy to do this or to win in WI, PA, MI,...
Defeating McConnell is the 2nd highest priority. What are Bloomberg, Steyer, and the others doing to achieve this? Putting a lot of money into Kentucky would be better spent than on TV ads.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lexblues
(180 posts)The man is whip smart and he doesn't give a shit about anything except beating Trump. All the stuff he's said in the past will roll right off of him cause he knows and we know he's the only one that can hand Trump's ass to him on a silver platter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bayard
(22,181 posts)The ad showing him and Obama at opportune times. It might give the impression that Obama is endorsing him. Misleading.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,397 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)Policy has barely gotten attention in this race. Biden has looked weak for months and Bloomberg saw an opening. Now a lot more people see the same thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ChazII
(6,206 posts)Bloomberg saw an opening and is taking his chance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)If your intention is to vote for someone who has a long, documented history of making racist, sexist and classcist remarks (some of remarkably recent vintage), and has a 12-year long record of defending the systematic civil rights abuses against POC, then what, exactly, do you hope to win?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)And all of the candidates have flaws and have said or done things that they should regret. Thats part of being human. Im not making excuses for any of them, but there is no perfect candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)Least of all, it doesn't explain how we, as Democrats, who are in principle and deed suppose to stand against all forms of racism and misogyny, would nominate a man with such an extensive, documented and indisputable history of racism and sexism. Sorry, it just doesn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)Its really that simple. You have Bernie in your signature. He has not been perfect his entire life on the topics of racism and sexism either. But you still support him. Why? Its not because you agree with everything he has ever said and done.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)I want to win, so I set fire to my own house?
I want to win, so I cut my own nose off to spite my face?
You'll have to trust me on this, but we can actually do better than Bloomberg. Much better. Yeah, I'm a Bernie supporter, but I will gladly and proudly vote for ANY of the other candidates should they win the nomination.
Give me Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, or, of course, my main man Bernie.
Please, and I'm actually begging my fellow Democrats here, don't give me this:
"We disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little".
Can we at least try to keep some of our principles intact as Democrats while attempting to defeat Dotard? Can we?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(51,053 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(51,053 posts)won't. He's not buying anything. Clearly you won't pick him. Fine. Also proof that nothing is being bought and people are choosing him freely or not choosing him freely.
Is he spending obscene amounts of money? Yes. And until we overturn Citizens United that's what we have to do. Like it or not, that is the world we live in.
Filthy Donnie's war chest is enormous. I'm just glad someone is in a position to counteract that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)If people want to vote for him, they should. Hes flawed, but so are all of them. What a lot of people here care about right now is electability. Bloomberg has run a smart race so far and looks like he can win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I'll continue to repeat the words of the older white LPGA golf crowd in that Naples shuttle bus in November. It was the first time I sensed that Bloomberg might be viable.
I've attended golf tournaments since I was 8 years old. It is an overwhelmingly conservative demographic. Normally when that crowd discusses a Democratic debate it is in derisive terms. "I tuned in just to get a feel for what the lunatic party was saying."
I remember that exact quote from the 2008 primaries while walking toward the entrance of a PGA event in Florida.
If we nominate someone who is "too far out there," to use the words of that Naples crowd, we don't have any complaint in November.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,213 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)The main focus of most Democrats is defeating Trump. Bloomberg simply looks like a stronger candidate to many Dems.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,053 posts)his campaign has been lackluster.
I have seen him stumble through his own easily avoided errors twice before. And now he is running a campaign that does not understand the need for blanketing social media and for taking the fight to Filthy Donnie rather than his opponents. I don't believe he can be depended on to do what needs to be done to beat Filthy Donnie.
The rule of law is at stake. The Democracy is at stake. I need someone who knows how to get this done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)That's why.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)media have given Sanders much scrutiny regarding his past. It will be interesting if Bloomberg brings that up during the debates, if Sanders responds to it, and if has any bearing on the polls
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,650 posts)..no need to see the debates or watch the polls. My minds made up...I know hes capable of the job from Day 1. But...if something happens and he chooses not to run for SOME unknown reason we have to have second choices. Bloombergs one of my 2nd choices as is Amy and Pete.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)reasons you gave, but also because of the polls it shows him doing the best against trump in the GE.
With trump at 49% approval according to the latest poll, we better select the nominee who can do the best against him
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,820 posts)Once he starts getting vetted that may change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)Is about to nominate a Democrat Socialist, lose the GE and dozens of House seats. That's why. He can go the distance. I actually hope Biden wins but me and 6 friends voted for Mike
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)in the General Election.
With trump currently at 49% approval, we better choose the candidate that does best against trump
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden