Median survival time for men Sanders' age who got a stent after a heart attack is 3.1 years

[highplainsdem]

with a 24% mortality rate in the first year.

This is from a heart journal article linked to by a doctor who'd responded to a tweet from George Conway asking about this, after Sanders said during tonight's town hall that he won't be releasing his medical records, despite his earlier promise to do so.

Article:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.117.007230


The reference to percutaneous coronary intervention there is to stents.


That doctor's tweet:

Link to tweet

And another tweet from him saying it's a pretty good bet Sanders wouldn't make it through a full term:

Link to tweet

This is the George Conway tweet he'd been responding to:

Link to tweet

[abqtommy]

1. The actuarial tables used by insurance companies probably come the closest to reality of

any data available.

[DanTex]

2. Hey look! People on twitter joking about Bernie's death with clever emojis!

I thought only "Bernie Bros" posted offensive things on the internet. I wonder which candidate is going to be asked to apologize for these people?

[CalFione]

6. Nobody's joking about this. This is a serious matter.

A person who wants to be President, who just had a heart attack, who PROMISED to provide his full medical records before the first votes were cast.... should be held to account if he doesn't provide his records.

[DanTex]

12. As evidenced by the funny emojis and the "LOLs" in that twitter thread...

This is just another empty attempt to smear Bernie. People can't touch him on substance, so they try to attack him on things like this.

[CalFione]

15. This *IS* substance.

The Presidency is the highest-stress job in the world. The health and well-being of the President is of paramount concern to the populace.


It is why Trump's obvious drug addiction and early-onset dementia is such a big deal.


For the record... Joe Biden and Mike Bloomberg need to release their full medical records too. These three 78-year-old men - who would be the first Presidents to turn 80 while on the job - need to give us full transparency concerning their health.

I'd say the same about Liz Warren (at 70 years old) too... but she released her full medical records back in December (not just a letter from a doctor).

[cwydro]

29. Why isn't he releasing his records?

Easy to put an end to this conjecture.

[ehrnst]

38. How about keeping his word? Will he do the same with his promises on issues

that he did with his promises on releasing his full medical records?

That question implicates the substance of all his policies, doesn't it?

And it's not just his promise about releasing his full medical records to consider:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=bernie-sanders

[thesquanderer]

40. Where did he promise to release his records?

As I posted elsewhere...

I'm not taking a stand here over whether he should or should not release them, but I repeatedly see posts here saying that he "promised" to do so, or similar. When did simply saying that you will do something turn into a promise? Sometimes people simply say what they intend to do, and they mean it at the time, and they change their mind. Or the words they chose off the cuff were not the most accurate description of their intent. My point is simply: Not every statement each of us makes qualifies as a promise. These characterizations strike me as dishonest, and I think are from those whose agenda is simply to cast Sanders in a bad light.

[Gravitycollapse]

8. Don't you know, it's not bullying if you do it against Sanders.

[mr_lebowski]

22. Point of fact, if you click the tweet you'll quickly discover that the poster uses those same

'clever emojis' for every single twitter post, regardless of the subject.

It's like a signature thingie ...

So you can Lighten Up Francis.

I mean, if you want to.

[YOHABLO]

3. George Conway? Really? Whose side are you on?

[Jarqui]

4. I really like Bernie. Love many of his progressive policies

Supported him in 2016. I'd support him again handily.

But I recall the before and after pictures of presidents. Without exception, the job seems to age them more rapidly.
It is not an ideal job for an older man with a heart condition. So much stress.

Therefore, the American people deserve to know the health of the persons they're considering for this job.

Ditto especially for Joe Biden and Mike Bloomberg. They shouldn't get a free pass here either. All candidates should release their medicals.

If we survive Trump, someday maybe, they'll pass legislation making candidates take mental health exams so we don't have someone with serious mental health problems in the Oval office like we do today.

[highplainsdem]

9. IMO all the candidates should release medical records. No matter their age. (Think of how young

JFK was and the health problems he concealed.)

[Gravitycollapse]

11. That's what the multiple medical exams are for.

He’s had three and released them to the public.

[Frasier Balzov]

5. It's not unfair or inconsistent to wish Bernie a long life

and yet not want to gamble on his longevity.

The campaign is sure to be using up a lot of what's left of him, leaving not too much to govern with.

Do his supporters have a favorite running mate? Seems that person will be especially important to identify early on.

[highplainsdem]

7. His supporters on Twitter favor Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard as VP.

[HarlanPepper]

34. My money is on Zephyr Teachout

Perfectly unqualified for the job and wouldn’t threaten Bernie’s ego. Of course Nena and Tulski fit that bill too so who knows.

[squirecam]

10. If he promised to release them

Then he should release them.

[Quixote1818]

13. Him dying in the middle of hes term doesn't bother me. While tragic we may get our first woman

President if that happens.

[highplainsdem]

14. Who would you rather have, Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard?

[unitedwethrive]

16. This is an important consideration in chosing a leader. Not sure why it is at all controversial

that we discuss this issue.

[unc70]

17. Bloomberg, also 78, had two stents in 2001

[CalFione]

18. And he should release his full detailed medical records too

[highplainsdem]

21. I agree.

[highplainsdem]

19. When he was 20 years younger than Sanders is now, and his survival this long shows how well

the procedure worked.

And since you don't mention a heart attack, I'm assuming he didn't have one.

Just checked and saw that he had one stent for a blocked coronary artery in 2000.

https://www.axios.com/michael-bloomberg-health-2020-democrats-6bfc728c-4904-485a-ab31-66122eabc0b3.html

So...no heart attack, and he's been in good health for 20 years since getting that stent.

I'd say Sanders' health is obviously of more concern. Especially since he backtracked on his promise to release his records.

[highplainsdem]

33. Btw, Sanders spokeswoman Briahna Joy Gray was lying about that this morning, saying

Bloomberg had suffered a heart attack. He hadn't.

The Sanders campaign clearly knows how bad Bernie's refusal to release those records after promising to release them looks for him, so they're trying to distract by lying about Bloomberg's health.

[lapfog_1]

20. well, it's not like the Presidency has any stress related to the job

no late nights, early morning briefings, situation room stuff or anything.

What could possibly go wrong?

[JohnBoltonsmustache]

23. What a terrible thread

Sanders’ lead has the detractors resorting to ridiculous lengths trying to bring him down, thus guaranteeing a Trump victory. Some lessons are never learned

[safeinOhio]

24. I like the way you see it.

Save the negative for Tramp.

[krissey]

25. Sanders promised the release of medical records months ago. This is on Sanders.

Why are you blaming us when Sanders refuses to honor his promise?

[cwydro]

30. Why isn't he releasing his records?

[ehrnst]

39. Lessons? You mean like trusting a politician who goes back on their word?

[RandySF]

26. Well, I guess I only have 30 years left.

Might as well go pick out my casket.

[democratisphere]

27. Time for Bernie to retire.

Running for President has made him a dreaded millionaire. Mission accomplished.

[Sea Turtle]

28. The health of a candidate is important

Often, a candidate will pick someone different from themselves to bring balance and wide appeal to the ticket.

Furthermore, when a candidate promises something and immediately goes back on that, it causes me concern.

Bernie has a major medical episode. He was willing to release his records when he thought he was healthy, but not after an event that suggests otherwise.

[MFM008]

31. My dad had a massive coronary

At age 51.
He had a 5 way bypass (1982).
He lived to see his only grandkid born
Nearly a year to the day later.
He lived 16 more years and died at age 69.
You cant expect anything out of a bad heart
And why anyone would take that stress
On with a bad heart is crazy.



P.s.
A bad heart doesnt come alone.
There will be ischemic changes and narrowing
Arteries, also possibly kidney failure due
To arteriosclerosis and stroke risk.
Just part of the aging process.

[Gothmog]

32. There are reasons to be concerned about sanders health

Link to tweet

[Tom Rinaldo]

36. While technically true that statistic is somewhat misleading

It is hard to find the difference between mean, median, and mode estimates discussed in relation to life expectancy, but I found this:

"the mean, median and mode can be very different. For these survival distributions it is perhaps remarkable how far the mode is from the mean: for girls born now, even assuming there are no more increases in survival, their most likely age to die is 90, seven years more than the mean on 83. For little baby boys the mode is 86, again seven years more than the mean of 79. And even the median is 3 years more than the mean. That’s why I now believe that ‘life expectancy’ is misleading."
https://medianism.org/2017/06/12/median-vs-mean-life-expectancy/

Median makes no distinction between sub group variances. Half of everyone falls on one side, half of everyone falls on the other. So smokers get lumped in with non smokers, and desperately poor people are lumped in with people who can afford a healthy lifestyle and the best preventive health care money can buy, people who are suffering from multiple serious ailments get lumped in with those who are only contending with one or none, people who monitor their health regularly are lumped in with those who ignore all warning signs, and so on.

All of our elderly candidates running for President are positioned to do far better than a median data point would otherwise indicate.

[Dem2]

35. I really needed to be reminded that my dad is in hospice care now

He did make it to 83 after a multi-bypass 25 years ago & a dozen stents, the final one 2 weeks ago. He's a relatively sedentary person which actually may have helped these past few years.

[nobuddy]

37. For people worried about Sanders' health

just know that President Nina Turner won't miss a beat.

[Raftergirl]

41. My mom is 90

and just had her second stent put it last September. Her first stent was put in 21 years ago.

She never had a heart attack though and is in great shape both psychically and mentally.

She walks 15 minute miles and works out at Planet Fitness with a trainer twice a week.

She has no damage at all to her heart (and I know this because I was their for her procedure and spoke with her cardiologist immediately after.)

Bernie, OTOH, does have damage to his heart. The stent(s) are put in to bypass the blockage in his artery(ies) that caused his heart attack. But the damage to his heart from his attack cannot be undone. It’s permanent.

[JudyM]

43. Interesting average #, but Sanders is in far better condition than others his age, which adds years.