Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumprimary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,924 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CalFione
(571 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,924 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)not quite correct. Unfortunately, some of your perception is Bernies fault.
IMO, Bernies socialism isnt really socialism. Hes just advocating for policies that most Americans favor. Hes talked about increasing taxes on the super rich and for fiscal responsibility, which was ignored by failed socialist states. Bernies mistake is to disavow socialism as a total way of governing, because he does not advocate for socialism as a total way of governing.
Socialistic intentions are stated, BTW, right in the Preamble, where its stated that we promote the general welfare. In the US, some of our life is governed by socialistic policies.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,924 posts)he's added the word "democratic" in front of it to soften the negativity of it as he became interested in using the Democratic Party to run for president. But video and ample other evidence is out there of him touting socialism. He should've said years ago he was a "social democrat" in the Nordic model if that is really what he meant but he's stuck with the baggage-laden, self-appellation of "democratic socialist" when the social democracies of Europe are actually capitalist countries, not democratic socialist countries.
Labeling himself a democratic socialist was a mistake not just because there actually is a Democratic Socialist Party in the US which actively advocates actual socialism, historically there's never been a sustained, successful deployment of pure socialism in any country, and the repugs will run ads 24/7 showing videos of him actually saying "I am a socialist".
And as I've said, the social democracies of Europe are actually highly regulated and highly taxed capitalist countries with strong, robust safety nets provided for by the high taxessingle payer healthcare, free college, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)or at least you should.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
you just believe that. doesnt make it true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it false.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....or at least you should."
Don't you remember all the OPs you posted claiming that Biden said he proposed "cuts" to Social Security when he really proposed a temporary freeze?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)An adjustment can be raising the income limit on funding social security or for that matter an adjustment can actually mean increasing benefits by tying it to inflation most affecting senior citizens.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,071 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Seems reasonable from that point of view.
Most folks are ok with a gradual phase-in , raising the retirement age.
Not so with decreasing benefits.
Having the wealthy contribute at a lower ceiling also has broad support.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)Cutting benefits to millions of Americans already living on the margins is most certainly not popular with them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
apcalc
(4,465 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,071 posts)worries the rest of us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)most folks favor an increase in the retirement age for SS?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Did starting in 1983, raising max retirement age from
gradually from 65 to 67.
Meanwhile ... tho I dont care for it... this from Motley Fool addresses benefit cuts stated by Bloomberg:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fool.com/amp/retirement/2019/09/06/social-security-heres-why-cutting-benefits-is-a-ne.aspx
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)It will be all about personalities.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden