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dsc

(52,166 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:43 PM Feb 2020

I supported Paul Tsongas in 1992

I felt he was the best person in the race and had some great ideas. He was also a cancer survivor. He repeatedly said he had beaten the cancer and was healthy, turned out that wasn't true. He died in December of 1996 or about a month before the end of the term he was running for. It didn't matter because he didn't win. But we had a right to know about his health and we have a right to know these candidates health.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I supported Paul Tsongas in 1992 (Original Post) dsc Feb 2020 OP
Thanks for the perspective PatSeg Feb 2020 #1
He is doing good so far even with his health issues Moderateguy Feb 2020 #2
Can you image the chaos that would cause PatSeg Feb 2020 #3
Non-issue 7horses Feb 2020 #4
People who are in good health don't have heart attacks. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #5
ridiculous. RazBerryBeret Feb 2020 #13
... HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #17
Anecdotes aren't data. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #27
Tsongas swam laps and campaigned hard dsc Feb 2020 #6
There is a underlying reason MFM008 Feb 2020 #7
Sorry but this is an issue SilasSouleII Feb 2020 #11
Warren for VP. colorado_ufo Feb 2020 #19
"All that matters is who his VP will be" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #26
We are often deceived bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #8
Well now Bear Creek Feb 2020 #9
He had a heart attack, which he lied about, then promised to release his records, and is now dsc Feb 2020 #10
I agree. Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #12
When did he lie about it? peequod Feb 2020 #20
For two days afterward he said it was getting a stint dsc Feb 2020 #22
Get a rope! It's a stent, btw peequod Feb 2020 #31
You're right about the bashing, elleng Feb 2020 #15
So did I support him, elleng Feb 2020 #14
JFK was a sickly child RazBerryBeret Feb 2020 #16
It was also before a time when the press & even the public thought every detail had to be disclosed dflprincess Feb 2020 #28
That we do. paleotn Feb 2020 #18
My husband supported Tsongas, too. murielm99 Feb 2020 #21
Do we know that he lied? karynnj Feb 2020 #23
Yes it came out after the campaign that he had mislead people about his remission dsc Feb 2020 #24
Thanks - that is disappointing nt karynnj Feb 2020 #25
No kidding dsc Feb 2020 #29
I have always supported the most qualified candidates iamateacher Feb 2020 #30
 

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
1. Thanks for the perspective
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:00 PM
Feb 2020

Even if I thought Bernie would be a good choice for president, his health is a major concern to me. A Bernie supporter told me that's okay, his like-minded VP would take over, but I don't vote for the VP.

I honestly worry whether he has the stamina and health to get through the grueling primaries. What if he becomes our nominee and then has another episode before the election? What is the recourse for such a scenario? How do we choose another nominee that close to the election?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Moderateguy

(945 posts)
2. He is doing good so far even with his health issues
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:04 PM
Feb 2020

Also if he is the nominee and drops out:

The procedures that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) would have followed if the Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton dropped out of the race are a bit simpler than the RNC's. The chair of the DNC is required to call a meeting, and the DNC holds the authority to elect a replacement nominee by majority vote.

Article 2, section 1 of the Rules and Bylaws of the Democratic Party states that the DNC has the authority to fill vacancies in the nominations for president and vice president.

Source: https://ballotpedia.org/State_laws_and_party_rules_on_replacing_a_presidential_nominee#What_would_have_happened_if_Clinton_dropped_out.3F

If I were to vote in a presidential
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PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
3. Can you image the chaos that would cause
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:15 PM
Feb 2020

within the Democratic party. Many people would be very upset with whoever the DNC chose to be the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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7horses

(163 posts)
4. Non-issue
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:41 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders is in good health. I doubt anyone on DU could run a campaign like Sanders has, and keep pace with Sanders. All that matters is who his VP will be, and if you trust him enough to vote for him. then trust who he will pick for his VP. Also, anyone of the candidates could die in an accident(God forbid) or drop dead of an aneurysm at any time, even if they have released all their medical records. So it is a non-issue. Just stop it!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
5. People who are in good health don't have heart attacks.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:43 PM
Feb 2020

The end.

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RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
13. ridiculous.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:56 PM
Feb 2020

Just ask Bob Harper.
https://www.today.com/health/celebrity-trainer-bob-harper-shares-chilling-photo-1-year-after-t123816

or my FIL, who died in his sleep with no warnings, he had worked on his farm the day before.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TwilightZone

(25,479 posts)
27. Anecdotes aren't data.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 08:28 PM
Feb 2020

There is always an underlying reason for a heart attack. Your assertion to the contrary is laughable.

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dsc

(52,166 posts)
6. Tsongas swam laps and campaigned hard
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:46 PM
Feb 2020

he was healthy until he wasn't.

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MFM008

(19,818 posts)
7. There is a underlying reason
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:23 PM
Feb 2020

You have a heart attack.
High cholesterol.
High blood pressure.
Coronary artery disease.
SOMETHING.
My dad died suddenly at age 69
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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SilasSouleII

(363 posts)
11. Sorry but this is an issue
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:39 PM
Feb 2020

And this forum is where we discuss issues. So saying "just stop it" is rather insulting to those who are here to discuss the issues. Kind of feels like you're saying it's fake news.

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colorado_ufo

(5,737 posts)
19. Warren for VP.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:29 PM
Feb 2020

One or two terms for Bernie, two for Warren. We need to play the long game.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TwilightZone

(25,479 posts)
26. "All that matters is who his VP will be"
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 08:26 PM
Feb 2020

If the VP slot is in the conversation because of questions about the presidential candidate's health, it most certainly is an issue.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
8. We are often deceived
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:36 PM
Feb 2020

As historians dig deep in the 20th century, much material has surfaced about FDR in Nigel Hamilton's trilogy on FDR at war. I read the last book first because it was in the library ... FDR was a dying man in about the last 15 months of his life. Doctors knew, but medicines were primitive ... only digitalis, no blood pressure drugs, cholesterol, not even fish oil. People who knew him could see it, but he kept going. His 1944 campaign denied it, he made a few appearances. You'd say it can't happen today, but look at Trump, Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Bear Creek

(883 posts)
9. Well now
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:37 PM
Feb 2020

Let's continue to bash democrat candidates somemore. Trump and his supporters did this to Hillary so it is now alright to do this to our own? Well okay Bernie and Biden are both old and could drop over at any time. I'm sure someone can come up with some trash about Elizabeth. That leaves just your candidate being white young male.

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dsc

(52,166 posts)
10. He had a heart attack, which he lied about, then promised to release his records, and is now
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:39 PM
Feb 2020

refusing to. It is perfectly reasonable to wonder what is up with this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
12. I agree.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:56 PM
Feb 2020

Promising to release the records and then not doing it makes it look like he's hiding something.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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peequod

(189 posts)
20. When did he lie about it?
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:35 PM
Feb 2020
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dsc

(52,166 posts)
22. For two days afterward he said it was getting a stint
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:40 PM
Feb 2020

only after he left the hospital did we hear about a heart attack.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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peequod

(189 posts)
31. Get a rope! It's a stent, btw
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:20 PM
Feb 2020

I know because I have 4 of them. And how is that lying exactly? Not saying something for 2 days and then fully describing what happened is a lie in your book? Please.

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elleng

(131,103 posts)
15. You're right about the bashing,
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:00 PM
Feb 2020

but not sure this quite does that.

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elleng

(131,103 posts)
14. So did I support him,
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:58 PM
Feb 2020

and was dismayed.

We do have a right to know.

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RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
16. JFK was a sickly child
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:01 PM
Feb 2020

and presided in the WH with a number of ailments, one of them Addison's disease. His medical history was never disclosed.( He was a white, young male.)

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dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
28. It was also before a time when the press & even the public thought every detail had to be disclosed
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 08:38 PM
Feb 2020

FDR was never shown in his wheelchair. Most the public didn't know he could not walk & the only he allowed himself to be seen in his chair was when he visited the orthopedic wards at military hospitals during WWII. His declining health was barely mentioned even as he campaigned for a fourth term.

Eisenhower's and LBJ's heart problems were not picked apart and there was very little to be done for a sick heart in those days. It might have been more sense to wonder about it then.

It was just a different time. Not only was their health not discussed, no one expected to see their tax returns either.


If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
21. My husband supported Tsongas, too.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:38 PM
Feb 2020

I didn't because I knew about the cancer diagnosis. Bernie's heart attack is concerning.

We have had times in my household when we have had five people supporting five different candidates. We never fought about it until Bernie. But that was last time. None of my adult children live at home. They can vote however they please, as long as they vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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karynnj

(59,504 posts)
23. Do we know that he lied?
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 07:43 PM
Feb 2020

It is very possible that he was in remission when he ran and it returned later. I agree 100% that medical records should be made public.

However, even with that - a completely healthy person today could be seriously ill 4 years in the future. I was for Tsongus as well, but NJ , where I lived voted very late.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

dsc

(52,166 posts)
24. Yes it came out after the campaign that he had mislead people about his remission
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 07:54 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
25. Thanks - that is disappointing nt
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 08:21 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dsc

(52,166 posts)
29. No kidding
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 08:39 PM
Feb 2020

It came out pretty quickly as the article points out but what he did was very wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

iamateacher

(1,089 posts)
30. I have always supported the most qualified candidates
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:03 PM
Feb 2020

With the thought that they might know how to promote progressive, citizen oriented policies. And yes, Paul was one I supported.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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