BERNIE SANDERS BROUGHT THE RECEIPTS ON HOW TO PAY FOR #MEDICAREFORAL

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1. His funding plan has been out for quite a while. People intentionally ignored it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all?inline=file

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3. The Sanders should know it by now and when asked be able to answer in detail

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4. You're right. Which is why he has explained his plan multiple times.

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5. Except to Anderson Cooper on national interview? Come on

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6. Move that goal post. Sanders has a plan. He has explained it.

[AncientGeezer]

7. Doesn't cover a 5th of his proposals...

I've read it several times...done the math....doesn't cover a 5th of his proposals

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8. You've done the math? Let's see your work.

[AncientGeezer]

14. Me...Senator Sanders doesn't show his math.....he can't pay for it.

You can't show his math....TRY.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. Of course... it's how you know Bernie is inevitable to win the Democratic nomination!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Happy Hoosier]

16. The problem is the numbers don't add up. NT

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23. Joe Biden on sanders not being honest about cost of programs

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2. interesting

[evertonfc]

9. Good stuff but

these programs simply will never materialize. Nothing ever does. I think there are only 14 Democratic senators that support M4A. That said, maybe he could get somthing

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10. one gets a receipt for things for which one has already paid. if he's already paid where's the

goods?

[George II]

11. +1,000,000

[redqueen]

20. OMG

sigh

[relayerbob]

12. HIs credit card application hasn't even been approved yet.

No receipts :-D

[Deero]

15. Billionaires have a lot of money...

but they don't have a fraction of enough to cover an increase in the federal budget of 300% that it is going to take to cover all of Bernie's fantasies.

[Eko]

17. According to his plan

I will pay slightly less while the company I work for will get off scott free after a time. Seems a little lop-sighted. Don't get me wrong, I am willing to pay higher taxes so that everyone can have health care. I just think a better plan can be thought of other than letting businesses get out paying for health care and profit from it. I could be wrong but that is what I saw from the pdf.
On edit,
"In 2016, employers paid an average of $12,865 in private health insurance premiums for a
worker with a family of four who makes $50,000 a year. Under this option, employers would
pay a 7.5 percent payroll tax to help finance Medicare for All – just $3,750 – a savings of more
than $9,000 a year for that employee."
My savings would be like $200 out of $3600, not even close to what businesses would save percentage wise. Seems like a giveaway to business and that doesn't make sense coming from Sanders at all.

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18. You're in dream fantasy land

Heres some truth

Cooper: But you say you don't know what the total price is, but you know how it's gonna be paid for. How do you know it's gonna be paid for if you don't know how much the price is?
Sanders: Well, I can't -- you know, I can't rattle off to you every nickel and every dime. But we have accounted for -- you -- you talked about "Medicare for All." We have options out there that will pay for it.
What? So, Sanders not only a) isn't sure how much all of his proposals would cost but also b) isn't able to say how he would pay for these programs. That strikes me as a potential weak spot if/when Sanders winds up as the Democratic nominee against President Donald Trump.
Which is the point that former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign immediately sought to make. "For the second time in the last month, Senator Sanders has admitted that he does not know the astronomical price tag that his massive new programs would force onto American families," said Biden deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield. "That's untenable."
And in a weekend memo from the Democratic centrist group Third Way warning the party of the perils of nominating Sanders, authors Jonathan Cowan and Matt Bennett write:
"Experts estimate that Sanders' major proposals would cost a staggering $60 trillion and would double the size of the government (while his tax plans fall $27 trillion short of paying for it). There's a reason that, when pressed on the cost of his plans, Sanders simply refuses to answer, saying he actually has no idea and 'no one does.'"
That $60 trillion number comes from The Atlantic's Ron Brownstein, a CNN contributor, who broke down the costs of Sanders' proposals like "Medicare for All," the "Green New Deal" and free tuition at public colleges and arrived at that stunning price tag.
Just how big a number is that? This, from Brownstein, puts the $60 trillion in spending proposals in very clear context:
"The Vermont independent's agenda represents an expansion of government's cost and size unprecedented since World War II, according to estimates from his own website and projections by a wide variety of fiscal experts.
"Sanders' plan, though all of its costs cannot be precisely quantified, would increase government spending as a share of the economy far more than the New Deal under President Franklin Roosevelt, the Great Society under Lyndon Johnson or the agenda proposed by any recent Democratic presidential nominee, including liberal George McGovern in 1972, according to a historical analysis shared with CNN by Larry Summers, the former chief White House economic adviser for Barack Obama and treasury secretary for Bill Clinton."

Bernie doesn't have a clue about the massive amount of money he will need. Researchers have shown HE CANT GET THAT MONEY

He doesn't even say that one has to massively cut the defense budget.

He also doesn't tell the people that MEDICARE IS NOT FREE!

Ask any medicare recipient. They have to buy an insurance supplemental policy or get a lousy Medicare basic policy that ONLY pays 80 percent of many serious ailments.

Medicare doesn't have dental, eyeglass, etc.... and does HAVE A CO-PAY WHEN YOU GET A SUPPLEMENTAL POLICY YOU MUST HAVE IN ORDER TO GET MORE THAN THE 80 PERCENT MEDICARE PAYS. Also, the Medicare Basic basic charges 144$ a month and that's the 80 percent only policy.

BERNIE IS LYING BY OMISSION!

Not to mention that Bernie will have a rough time getting this through Congress and the Senate.

People, Bernie is deceiving you

[Gothmog]

19. Sanders' proposal for pay for proposals does not add up

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21. NYT-Bernie Sanders Outlines Funding for His Plans, but It May Not All Add Up

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Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, under growing pressure to explain how he would pay for his very expensive policy agenda, released a checklist on Monday evening that he described as a full explanation of how he would finance all of his proposals.

The actual document is somewhat limited, and in some cases the revenue Mr. Sanders identifies doesn’t match the costs of his plans.

For example, he estimated Sunday night on “60 Minutes” that the price tag for his “Medicare for all” plan would be about $30 trillion over 10 years, but the revenue he identifies for it in the new outline totals about $17.5 trillion. It is possible that the gap could be filled by existing appropriations for Medicare and Medicaid, but Mr. Sanders did not mention those in his outline or in the Sunday interview...…

Ms. Warren released a comprehensive plan in November to pay for her own version of Medicare for all, and the resulting scrutiny of the details was a major factor in her campaign’s decline. Mr. Sanders largely avoided that level of scrutiny by not releasing such extensive details.

His announcement on Monday came nominally in response to a question about whether his plan for free college was equivalent to President Trump’s promise to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it: a rallying cry for supporters, but with no realistic path to happening.

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22. Even With New Pay-Fors, Bernie's Agenda Still Has A $25 Trillion Hole

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Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has made some extraordinary promises in his campaign for president, including free health care, a federal jobs guarantee, universal forgiveness of all student debt, and radical expansions of nearly every government program from Social Security to housing subsidies. When asked at a CNN town hall last night how he would pay for this gargantuan expansion of government, Sen. Sanders presented moderator Chris Cuomo with a new document that Sanders claimed detailed how he would pay for his proposals. But don’t be fooled: these numbers still don’t add up, and Sanders should be pressed to explain his magic math at tonight’s debate.

The first problem is that the list of Sanders’ proposed spending increases is incomplete. Sanders has proposed costly plans for K-12 education, expanding disability insurance, paid family leave, and more that were not accounted for in the new document. He also grossly understates the cost of his Medicare for All plan by citing a flawed analysis that neglected to incorporate the costs of specific benefits Sanders proposes, such as universal coverage for long-term services and supports, and failed to account for how offering universal health-care benefits more generous than those offered by any other country on earth would increase utilization of health services.

Sanders and his surrogates regularly claim that critics are wrong to focus on how much Medicare for All increases government costs because it would reduce the total cost of health care. But independent analyses from the Urban Institute and Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget have concluded that even with the aggressive price controls he has proposed, Sanders’ Medicare-for-All framework would actually increase national health expenditures by up to $7 trillion. Sanders himself also admitted in a 60 minutes interview this weekend that his Medicare-for-All plan would likely cost around $30 trillion, yet the list of “options” Sanders has offered to pay for them (options which, it should be noted, he has never explicitly endorsed enacting together) would together cover less than 60 percent of that amount by the Sanders campaign’s own accounting.

In January, the Progressive Policy Institute published comprehensive cost estimates of the proposals offered by each of the leading candidates for president before the Iowa Caucus. After incorporating new proposals that Sanders has released since the publication of our analysis and minor methodological updates, PPI concludes that Sanders has now proposed over $53 trillion of new spending over the next 10 years – an amount that would roughly double the size of the federal government. Our estimate is, if anything, overly charitable to Sanders, as it accepts most of the Sanders campaign’s cost estimates outside of Medicare for All and assumes significant overlap in the costs of his proposed federal jobs guarantee and other spending proposals. Other analysts have estimated the total costs of Sanders’ proposals could be anywhere between $60 trillion and $100 trillion over 10 years. ,,,,

Sanders’ proposed pay-fors don’t even come close to covering these costs. The document Sanders published last night, along with others released earlier in his campaign, claim to collectively raise less than $43 trillion in new revenue – meaning that he’s at least $10 trillion short. But the revenue projections Sanders uses for his tax proposals are well outside the mainstream of what independent analysts at the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, Congressional Budget Office, Tax Policy Center, Penn Wharton Budget Model, and others have estimated. After reconciling Sanders’ latest list of pay-fors with these independent estimates, PPI concludes that even if Congress were to adopt every single revenue option Sanders has offered for consideration, it would fall almost $25 trillion short of his proposed spending increases over the next decade – leaving a gap nearly equal to the total value of all goods and services produced by the U.S. economy in one year.

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24. Sanders has yet to explain how he'll pay for half of his agenda

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