Does this upcoming election remind anyone of what just happened in the UK?

[keepthemhonestO]

UK hated Boris Johnson but they just re-elected Boris Johnson in the UK because there was a far left choice or crazy Boris Johnson. They went for Boris Johnson!! The same exact thing is happening here, tRump is Boris and Sanders is the far far left candidate.

I used to like some of Sanders ideas but he is in fact divisive, he is very negative and he puts me down and my party down. If he becomes the "Democratic" nominee we are supposed to vote for him after he attacked us? OK

I will I will vote for him because I surely won't want tRump but will all the other people come out to vote? I really would like someone would could potentially unify the country again, but I guess I am dreaming. I could ramble on some more, just wondering if anyone else noticed? I see us getting the same result as the UK and I am scared shitless, with that Boris gained more seats and was able to get his ridiculous bills passed.

I think just like here Russia has had a hand in their elections so I don't blame it completely on the voters. That is why I think it took them forever to figure out Brexit, they didn't really want Brexit but Putin did.

Putin is loving life!

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Unique perspective

we're being gamed in this election

[keepthemhonestO]

3. thanks

and yes I agree

[DownriverDem]

2. Reminds me

of the George McGovern campaign.

[keepthemhonestO]

5. That is before my

time just a skosh (sp?) but I have heard a few pundits mention that.

[NCDem47]

4. This crossed my mind too. The UK thing.

There are some eerie parallels as I see it.

I'll vote Blue no matter who, but put me in the camp of those becoming increasingly worried about any kind of Democratic gains this November.

[keepthemhonestO]

6. right!

lose seats and they keep the white house. We need a middle of the road candidate. How are people not out voting in the Primary for any of the moderates. We even have Republicans coming over to our side to vote but they aren't going to do it for Bernie, they just aren't.

[NCDem47]

7. and I am PISSED OFF about open primaries!

Tin foil hat time. I know in my gut there is a large-scale coordinated effort on the right to screw with which Democrat "wins" in the states that allow this. Major distortion of reality, setting us up for a huge disappointment in the general election.

[keepthemhonestO]

10. I know!

How idiotic is that to have open primaries? and the slow ass caucuses where you need to show up for 3 or more hours, so let's leave out all the single parents or people who work shifts out of that process? So frustrating.

[radius777]

8. Yes it has strong parallels, James Carville

spoke at length about this the other day.

[keepthemhonestO]

9. oh cool

I used to love watching him on the sunday am talk shows back in the day! So the UK analogy, he thinks it's similar? Wow, cool.

[OliverQ]

12. James Carville, the guy married to a Republican who said

Dems were incompetent in 2018 as election results were coming in because he thought Dems were going to lose massively?

Nothing Carville says is relevant.

[keepthemhonestO]

13. yes he is married

to a republican and they are polar opposites. Were you not nervous in 2018? really? Ever since 2016 I have been nervous as shit, because of the easily hackable voting machine, gerrymandering and Russian hacking? What world do you live in that you were not worried? We should have won more but it is my belief we has some seats stolen in Florida from Gillam and Nelson and in Georgia from Stacy Abrams and in Texas from O'Rourke I am sure there were more. We would have certainly had more power in the Senate.

[OliverQ]

11. Nope it doesn't.

We're not dealing with Brexit and Bernie is way more popular here than Corbyn is in the UK.

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. Exactly. Corbyn was one of the least popular politicians in the UK.

Sanders is among the most popular politicians in the U.S.

Corbyn was widely accused of being antisemitic. Sanders is Jewish.

[Moderateguy]

28. And has already been accused of being a "Bad Jew" by a powerful Jewish-American PAC

[Gothmog]

14. The electability business: is Bernie Sanders America's Corbyn?

Yes

Link to tweet

In 2020, a third name has surfaced, offered as a cautionary tale to a Democratic party that this week confirmed a septuagenarian radical socialist and longtime backbench rebel as its frontrunner. That name is Jeremy Corbyn.

“I don’t want the Democratic party of the United States to be the Labour party of the United Kingdom,” James Carville, the victorious manager of Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign, told audiences on cable TV and in New Hampshire this week, warning that if Democrats nominate Bernie Sanders, they will almost certainly be following Corbyn’s Labour party to defeat.

On the US campaign trail, journalists, strategists for rival Democratic candidates, and even the occasional voter cite Corbyn in the case against Sanders, offering the result of December’s UK general election as evidence. A week spent in New Hampshire watching the Vermont senator and his opponents do battle provides some answers to the question many US Democrats are asking themselves: is Sanders fated to be America’s Corbyn – or are the two men, and their two situations, radically different?.....

The similarities between the men are obvious. Both spent decades on the political margins, regarded as perennial troublemakers with no prospect of gaining national power. To their critics, they remain stubbornly stuck in the 1970s; to their admirers, they have stayed unwaveringly true to their principles. They both exude a rumpled authenticity, their appearance – Sanders’ wayward hair, Corbyn’s beard – visible proof that they are not careerist politicians of the usual stripe.

Their messages are similar too. Sanders wants “an economy that works for all, not just the 1%”, while Corbyn stood as the champion of “the many, not the few”. Both are exponents of a particular brand of leftwing populism, offering themselves as tribunes of the hard-working majority against an elite of bankers and billionaires that has rigged the economy in its own favour.

[keepthemhonestO]

16. Thanks for that

I just did a search and I am seeing several articles like this.

Great minds think alike.

I want a sure shot to get tRump out and I don't think Bernie can do it, especially if he keeps bashing the very people he expects to go vote for him? How stupid it that? He's been doing this since 2015 when he ran against Hillary, that's when I got turned off on him because he was putting me down and putting my party down. Yet he wants to come over hi-jack our party and use our primary to attempt to get elected. How are we supposed to be inspired by this nut? We already get bashed by the right and now get bashed by the left, I refuse to be the abused house wife any longer!

[uponit7771]

17. Yes, Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most (link)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-wsj-poll-sanders-opens-double-digit-national-lead-n1138191

[keepthemhonestO]

18. Something seems

wrong with this system, if the majority of the people want a moderate but we are going to get a far left candidate instead?

I'm sick of tRump and don't want to hand him 4 more years and the house and the senate, he'll be worse than ever.

[uponit7771]

19. We're being warned RIGHT NOW that Sanders is going to get mud stomped in the general ...

... someone replied to my post about swing state numbers vs Trump with Sanders primary approval ratings in those states.

We're no doubt looking at the wrong things in this election

[keepthemhonestO]

20. exactly

but what is anyone doing about it? On one hand I want a few of the weaker ones out but really not sure who the strongest candidate is. I thought it was Biden but suddenly no one voted for him, so the tRump smear campaign was a success. I think Biden can over come that we'll see what happens Saturday in SC. I really don't want another mash up like 2016 with Clinton and Sanders!! please no! Shit I'll go for Bloomberg too!

[brooklynite]

21. Additional comparison...

Corbyn was elected as Party leader by the activist base, despite warnings from the Parliamentary Party that he was a risky candidate. Our House members are saying the same thing.

[keepthemhonestO]

24. I hope

the regular voters are heeding their warnings.

[Tweedy]

22. Not really

We don't have a far far far left in our electoral politics.

Jeremy Corbin advocated public take over of many means of production. He is farther to the left than most of u.s. even understand is possible. I don't even have a politician to whom I can compare him.

Bernie is not far far far left.
His top tax rate is lower than Dwight Eisenhower's.

He isn't talking about fixing the price of milk or eggs as that "lefty" Richard Nixon did.

I do agree Bernie's attacks on democrats are self defeating. Such attacks are very off putting coming from the front runner.

[keepthemhonestO]

25. He's

as far left as I've ever seen. Talking about free college for all and medicare for all, I don't even care if he shows me how he's going to do it. I don't see where people need a free college education. Kids already fail out of college when their parents are paying for it, at least that is on the parents not the taxpayers. Where is the incentive to do well in college if someone else is footing the bill? I am ok with some help for those stellar students who are poor but want to get into college, I would support more pell grants or scholarships for them but why do we need free college for all? I know my taxes are already crazy high just with the tRump changes I can't imagine with Bernie.

As far as healthcare we definitely need some big changes, prices are skyrocketing and we are getting less and less and deductibles and premiums are just going up and up. However, there are some people that still have great plans like the restaurant industry so why should they have to change and get a crappier plan. I think people need to put their heads together and come up with a solution, I am not sure what that is to be honest.

[Tweedy]

27. M4A should not be a crappier plan

But you are right Senator Sanders is short on detail. He really is not far left. We don't have a far left in our politics that I can see.

College costs have gone up like healthcare. When the silent generation was young, a year or so working would pay for college.
That is not true today.

When I was a kid, in state tuition was very affordable. That is not true today.

Middle class families and their children are taking on debt burdens for college that are shocking. All of this is occurring in a country where most of us don't have $500 saved.

This is not a system any of us would create from scratch.

Add in for profit "colleges" that pay more to advertise than to educate and many kids simply opt out of higher education, even tech schools rather than have their wages garnished for life (they can even take social security, but not a trust fund) in return for nothing and you find one heck of a mess.

I also agree that middle class tax burdens are high enough. The top tax rate, though, is ridiculously low.

This is why I support Elizabeth Warren whose M4A is detailed and excellent & whose wealth tax will impose the costs of fixing this mess on people who will barely feel the subtraction from their wallet.

[keepthemhonestO]

30. You're right

College costs have gone up and continue to rise, the other thing that doesn't help are the student loan interest that they are allowed to charge. It took me over 20 years to pay my school loans off and I tried not to borrow much (yeah right) by working 30 plus hours a week. Plus I had the GI bill that was about 400 a month for 4 years to help out. Just paid mine off last year.

I am really not sure what the solution is but a free for all for college isn't it. IMHO

Yeah not sure why even Obama didn't put taxes on the wealthy when he was in there, I know we were recovering there for a bit. Once he saw the economy was stable he should have brought their tax rate up. I mean how much money do those billionaires need? They don't notice or do anything different based on whether or not they are taxed.

BTW I would much rather see Warren than Bernie if she seems like someone who could bring people together. Bernie is right behind tulsi in my book and I don't like how he kept it quiet that Russia was helping him. That is very suspicious no matter what.

[Tweedy]

38. President Obama did raise taxes on the wealthy

President Obama and the democrats let the Bush tax cuts on the very wealthy expire. This raised wealthy taxes back to the levels under president Clinton (those levels balanced the budget).

The ACA also raised taxes on the very well heeled.

The unindicted co-conspirator we have now, and the GOP used reconciliation to get rid of those tax increases and lowered taxes even more than George W. Bush did on the very wealthy.

The GOP is forever doubling down on the insanity that all that wealth will trickle down. This & deregulation have been their only plan since Reagan. It has never worked; so, of course the GOP wants to try it again. Insane!

California, and the nation, are still benefiting from California's free college decades ago. It worked, even for some students who dropped out (see Steve Jobs, Bill Gates).

We need to educate our kids, not rob their futures. But I will take half a loaf. If we could get the cost down 90% (where it was in the past) we could make a deal.

[keepthemhonestO]

39. you're a great historian

I lived it all but quickly forget how it went down. I don't forget the trickle down crap! Ughhh Now I know they were just pretending to think it would work so they could give their cronies some tax breaks. We can all see it doesn't work.

I agree with you on the education thing, we definitely need some big change there. Is California still doing that free college thing? Is that when they were in the red and everyone was laughing at them and their deficit? Last I knew Cali had a surplus.

[Tweedy]

41. No. Our universities are obscenely expensive

CA got rid of that decades ago sadly.

Our recent budget problems were largely a GOP creation. We even had the GOP house minority leader tell us in public that he would rather see the state burn down than see democrats remain in power.

That happened when we had a republican governor, too. We had a supermajority requirement on our budget & many GOP'ers refused to pass any budget.

That meant we owed more & more money because each day without that budget cost us millions. Teachers got red card notices in the spring & didn't know if they'd have their job back until fall.

Public workers were paid in scrip that no one anywhere would accept as payment.

Kids rotated standing in classrooms, packed in like sardines.

That is in our rear view, though. We got rid of that supermajority requirement and our financial house has gone swimmingly ever since (knock wood).

We do have a surplus, now--a nice, lovely, you can sleep better at night surplus.

Now we need to help all of the Americans who are sleeping on our streets because the American economy is going so good ?
Somebody has their numbers crossed.

[HarlanPepper]

32. It's all relative

Many of Bernie’s proposals are far left for the United States.

[Tweedy]

40. Except that most of them are supported by large majorities of us

Forget labels. This country does not wake up and think "no, we can't."

Yes, Senator Sanders is light on details.

How lovely is Senator Warren's plan for primary education? Shall I count the ways?

That aside, his proposals are supported in theory by large majorities of u.s.

We swing some on M4A, but are generally not opposed unless we think it will ruin the Medicare we have now (it won't).

We definitely believe in public education. Sorry GOP 😁

We believe in higher taxes on the wealthy by huge margins.

Senator Sanders is, imho, his own worst enemy. Neither he, nor many of his supporters, appear able to distinguish friend from foe. It is disheartening.

Nonetheless, we, the American people, do agree with his views on what the problems are.

The nitty gritty of the details is generally where folks run into problems. Yet, Senator Sanders proposals are very light on details. He has an amendment strategy not a legislative strategy in the senate, so one can see (& hear) his complaints, but his details are obscure as obsidian.

[HarlanPepper]

42. Agreed on Warren

I like her a lot.

[Tweedy]

43. I do, too

Her plans, the ones I understand, will work.

& her understanding of how corporate interest & rent seekers have gamed our system is unmatched by any other candidate, except maybe Mayor Bloomberg (whose subscription financial service does game our markets today).

It is abundantly clear she is running because she cares. This is not a vanity project for her, which is refreshing.

I could ebulliently effuse about Senator Warren for hours. Will exercise a modicum of discipline and leave it there 😉

[greenjar_01]

23. Ayup

[keepthemhonestO]

31. I love Amy by the way

I wish she had more support. maybe VP if something doesn't change for her soon?

[ibegurpard]

26. No

The UK already has a national healthcare system

[keepthemhonestO]

33. I don't

think that matters as much as getting tRump out. Yeah we can tweak it some more if we ever gain power again. If we don't get tRump out I don't think we'll ever be in power again so it will be a mute point.

[Moderateguy]

29. The biggest take away from the UK election for me is the far-left never learns anything

The current front-runner to replace Corbyn as party leader is a woman who might as well have taken a blood oath to Corbyn. The UK far-left's mantra seems to be: let's stick with losers as long as they are "pure", election victories are nice but not a must have

[HarlanPepper]

34. Labour is probably done as a viable party.

Btw, like in America party membership/declared affiliation is down in the UK like it is here.

[keepthemhonestO]

35. That drives me

insane! Yeah what's with these purity shit tests? Jesus we are one election from losing our Democracy, in my eyes anyway.

[MoonlitKnight]

36. No

Boris Johnson May be a right wing xenophobic dick, but he still favors national healthcare.

[keepthemhonestO]

37. sounds like yes

as far as the right wing zenophobic dick part, yes they are similar.