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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:01 PM Feb 2020

538's "proximity ratings"

I was just reading through 538's Democratic primary forecast methodology, and found that one component involves rating the various candidates among four dimensions: social policy, economic policy, insider/outsider, and highbrow/middlebrow.

Here are their ratings for a few candidates:

Social policy from 1 (liberal) to 5 (moderate)
Biden - 4.0
Bloomberg - 3.5
Buttigieg - 3.0
Sanders - 1.5
Steyer - 2.0
Warren - 1.5

Economic policy from 1 (left) to 5 (center)
Biden - 4.0
Bloomberg - 4.5
Buttigieg - 4.0
Sanders - 1.0
Steyer - 3.5
Warren - 1.5

Insider/Outsider from 1 (outsider) to 5 (insider)
Biden - 5.0
Bloomberg - 4.0
Buttigieg - 4.0
Sanders - 1.5
Steyer - 2.0
Warren - 3.0

Highbrow/Middlebrow from 1 (middlebrow) to 5 (highbrow)
Biden - 2.0
Bloomberg - 4.0
Buttigieg - 4.5
Sanders - 2.5
Steyer - 4.0
Warren - 4.5

Do you agree with their assessments?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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538's "proximity ratings" (Original Post) PETRUS Feb 2020 OP
The one that pops out for me leftieNanner Feb 2020 #1
It relates to perceptions of the political "establishment" Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #4
lol at "middlebrow!" David__77 Feb 2020 #2
Yeah, there is something amusing about that. PETRUS Feb 2020 #5
Dukakis covered the spectrum MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #8
Lol.. David__77 Feb 2020 #12
Those were caterpillars! TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #13
Yes. Those look pretty accurate to me. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #3
I thought so too. PETRUS Feb 2020 #7
I would go with what govtrack has. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #6
Thanks for the link! PETRUS Feb 2020 #9
The first two seem important, the next two not so much. n/t MarcA Feb 2020 #10
I know what you mean. PETRUS Feb 2020 #11
 

leftieNanner

(15,124 posts)
1. The one that pops out for me
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:04 PM
Feb 2020

is that Bernie Sanders is rated as an outsider. Yes, he's not a member of the Democratic party, but he's been in government practically his whole adult life. How does that make him an outsider? Perhaps I'm not understanding this correctly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
4. It relates to perceptions of the political "establishment"
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:10 PM
Feb 2020

While Sanders has been in office for decades, he has never been party of the “establishment”. That likely explains these results.

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David__77

(23,421 posts)
2. lol at "middlebrow!"
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:09 PM
Feb 2020

I don't know... is the "middlebrow" vs "highbrow" determined based on scanning photos of campaign rally crowds and judging whether or not they're likely to eat kale or talk about how "smart" others are?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
5. Yeah, there is something amusing about that.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:37 PM
Feb 2020

Here's 538's language:

Where they are on the spectrum between being a middlebrow candidate (1) who strikes broad populist themes and mostly appeals to working-class voters to a highbrow candidate (5) who seeks to appeal to the media and to college-educated voters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
8. Dukakis covered the spectrum
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:45 PM
Feb 2020

Huge brows.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TexasTowelie

(112,251 posts)
13. Those were caterpillars!
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 01:04 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
3. Yes. Those look pretty accurate to me. n/t
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:09 PM
Feb 2020


-Laelth
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
7. I thought so too.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:41 PM
Feb 2020

I'm just wondering if others here have different opinions.

Also, I sort wish I'd asked how people would rate themselves on the social and economic policy scales. (I'd probably put myself at 1, and 1.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
9. Thanks for the link!
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:47 PM
Feb 2020

Would it be fair to compare the "ideology" axis on govtrack's graph with a blend of "social policy" and "economic policy" on 538's matrix?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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MarcA

(2,195 posts)
10. The first two seem important, the next two not so much. n/t
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:09 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
11. I know what you mean.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:18 PM
Feb 2020

They're not so important to me as a voter, but I guess 538 believes they are important in terms of how those qualities effect voting behavior overall.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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